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There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

Aug. 10, 202201:43
There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.
 
How is that woman “responsible” for his death? Even if she lied about what happened? The men who did it were responsible.

They stood trial, and were found not guilty.

Our Justice system is never wrong, right? Like Derek Chauvin and OJ Simpson.


As for the Holocaust thing, don’t you know that the lives of Jews are above all others?

Come on, Goyim.
 
There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?​
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

Aug. 10, 202201:43
There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.

The comparison UNFORTUNATELY -- is a little lopsided. First off -- the Nazi Berger was living in Tenn at the time he was EXTRADICTED to GERMANY for the trial. There's no limit to Germans trying to ASSUAGE THEIR GUILT by hunting and prosecuting Nazis. He was the 70th Nazi big guy found in the US and sent to the Germans. SO -- that wasn't a "one -- of" ...

I was VERY uncomfortable working in Germany when folks would randomly apologize to me for the Holocaust. Otherwise -- they are fine people. Just got a "Nazi guilt derangement syndrome" or NGDS for short. AND IT'S HEREDITARY. For 3 or more generations now in the German population.

As sad as that original rigged trial was --- and the murderers being set free only to COP to the murder for money from a magazine -- The wife -- was guilty of perjury. And MAYBE had the warrant been served in a timely fashion "accessory" to murder.

SO -- digging up a Nazi sent back to Germany on REQUEST of Germany who oversaw MASSIVE human suffering and death is not really an AMERICAN story to compare to totally screwed up justice in 50s America. DEFINITELY sick racist stuff. But -- Other known murderers have walked only to come clean decades later.

Getting "justice" for that horrific act was just not possible 50 years later when THREE DOJustice investigations found NO AVENUES for prosecution of the wife. We have statutes of limitations for sound reasons. One of the biggest reasons is testimony and proof get LESS certain with time.
 
There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?​
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

Aug. 10, 202201:43
There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.
Teach the history, despite so many wanting to pretend it never happened. It's all you can do.
 
There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?​
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

Aug. 10, 202201:43
There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.
Indeed.


Following that premise, why can't we track down and prosecute the J6 pipe bomber?
 
The comparison UNFORTUNATELY -- is a little lopsided. First off -- the Nazi Berger was living in Tenn at the time he was EXTRADICTED to GERMANY for the trial. There's no limit to Germans trying to ASSUAGE THEIR GUILT by hunting and prosecuting Nazis. He was the 70th Nazi big guy found in the US and sent to the Germans. SO -- that wasn't a "one -- of" ...

I was VERY uncomfortable working in Germany when folks would randomly apologize to me for the Holocaust. Otherwise -- they are fine people. Just got a "Nazi guilt derangement syndrome" or NGDS for short. AND IT'S HEREDITARY. For 3 or more generations now in the German population.

As sad as that original rigged trial was --- and the murderers being set free only to COP to the murder for money from a magazine -- The wife -- was guilty of perjury. And MAYBE had the warrant been served in a timely fashion "accessory" to murder.

SO -- digging up a Nazi sent back to Germany on REQUEST of Germany who oversaw MASSIVE human suffering and death is not really an AMERICAN story to compare to totally screwed up justice in 50s America. DEFINITELY sick racist stuff. But -- Other known murderers have walked only to come clean decades later.

Getting "justice" for that horrific act was just not possible 50 years later when THREE DOJustice investigations found NO AVENUES for prosecution of the wife. We have statutes of limitations for sound reasons. One of the biggest reasons is testimony and proof get LESS certain with time.
More excuses. There is nothing lopsided about this.
 
Another racist inspired thread, why am I not surprised. Black man perfect, White man bad. Why have these blatant black on Asian attacks of the last two years been buried by the media. Never mind, we know. RACISM.
Face history and deal with it. The blatant black on Asian attacks have not been that many.
 
How is that woman “responsible” for his death? Even if she lied about what happened? The men who did it were responsible.

They stood trial, and were found not guilty.

Our Justice system is never wrong, right? Like Derek Chauvin and OJ Simpson.


As for the Holocaust thing, don’t you know that the lives of Jews are above all others?

Come on, Goyim.
Perjury is a crime.

Derek Cauvin murdered someone and it was taped.
 
What happened to Emmett Till was horrific, but unfortunately there is no crime for which she could be prosecuted. While I of course learned of this case as a teen, and knew the white men were acquitted, I investigated it further after reading OP’s post to learn why the Grand Jury did not indict the woman whose false account led to the murder.

The federal government found that they did not have sufficient evidence that her lie instigated the murder, as she denied recanting the original story. As far as prosecuting her for perjury, rather than for instigating a murder, that would have been in state court, and the state limitation would have run out.

The fact that the all-white jury acquitted the murderers does show, tragically, how racist it was in the South back then. Compare that to the recent case where the father-and-son killed the black man running down the street, and a third man who was filming it was ALSO sentenced to life in prison.

So while we recognize how unjust the system was in 1950s Mississippi when a white killed a black - which everyone knows - I think it is important to recognize how much progress made in the generations since then. In fact, in some cases, it has swung to the opposite extreme, most famously with OJ Simpson. By and large, the lopsided treatment of white murderers of black victims has died with the Old South.

May Emmett Till RIP.
 
What happened to Emmett Till was horrific, but unfortunately there is no crime for which she could be prosecuted. While I of course learned of this case as a teen, and knew the white men were acquitted, I investigated it further after reading OP’s post to learn why the Grand Jury did not indict the woman whose false account led to the murder.

The federal government found that they did not have sufficient evidence that her lie instigated the murder, as she denied recanting the original story. As far as prosecuting her for perjury, rather than for instigating a murder, that would have been in state court, and the state limitation would have run out.

The fact that the all-white jury acquitted the murderers does show, tragically, how racist it was in the South back then. Compare that to the recent case where the father-and-son killed the black man running down the street, and a third man who was filming it was ALSO sentenced to life in prison.

So while we recognize how unjust the system was in 1950s Mississippi when a white killed a black - which everyone knows - I think it is important to recognize how much progress made in the generations since then. In fact, in some cases, it has swung to the opposite extreme, most famously with OJ Simpson. By and large, the lopsided treatment of white murderers of black victims has died with the Old South.

May Emmett Till RIP.

Also the only question in the case of hidden Nazis is did they lie on their immigration papers. Once they did that, the only issue is to revoke their citizenship based on the lie and deport their ass to whoever was asking for them. This is about to become a moot issue in less than a decade as all of those people die out.
 
There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

Aug. 10, 202201:43
There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.

Unfortunately, the statute of limitation for perjury is only two years, so if she has a conscience, she will hopefully go to her grave tortured by her lie.

An interesting fact in this case is that the two who actually carried out the kidnapping and murder, gave a magazine interview in 1956 and admitted to the crime, yet were never punished, even though there is no statute of limitation on murder.

 
Unfortunately, the statute of limitation for perjury is only two years, so if she has a conscience, she will hopefully go to her grave tortured by her lie.

An interesting fact in this case is that the two who actually carried out the kidnapping and murder, gave a magazine interview in 1956 and admitted to the crime, yet were never punished, even though there is no statute of limitation on murder.

They were already tried and acquitted so there is nothing that could be done legally. It's called double jeopardy.
 
Neither has cops killing innocent people.
Cops should not be killing ANY innocent people and more whites have attacked Asians. So dop your schitck because police have been murdering blacks for over 100 years and have gotten away with it.
 

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