Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[ding]

Apparently humanity is the goal of creation,

Humanity? Or beings that know and create? I say the latter.

Eve specifically was crowned as the mother of all living beings.

It's an allegorical account. She's the allegorical mother of all human beings, not necessarily all living beings. Words matter.

Thus it is relevant to ask, if she ever deserved the hate of dogmatic little men.

Good thing I don't know anyone who does that. You are tilting at windmills.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ok, let's see..

So why isn't Adam ever mentioned eating the fruit, rather only "of the tree"?

And how do you decide when Adam is the man, or the whole humanity?

At that point, the Serpent, Adam and Eve were separate individuals.

Eve picked enough for herself and Adam, then convinced Adam to eat also.

The context reveals that both were driven from the Garden, supported by the Hebrew word for mankind.

The serpent was Lucifer/Satan, a spirit being that was in Eve's head. The being in the form of a snake is a literary construct based on the characteristics of some snakes, the hissing is likened to the whispering of an 'enchanter'. God's curse on the 'serpent' was intended for the woman, not for a snake. A deep dive into the Hebrew terms reveals this.

 

[rylah]

Good Lord, you have an ax to grind with Christians.

Should I be thanking the Inquisition,

and condemn Eve for what she was praised?

 

[ding]

Apparently humanity is the goal of creation,

I always believed the purpose of creation was to share in God's existence. I imagine God loves all of his creatures. How can he not? God IS love... among other "things."

 

[rosends]

Feel free to rationalize reading religious texts, written by Jews that make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as divine.

if you understood why Jews wrote the gospels, you might have a better handle on why you are wrong.

 

[ding]

Should I be thanking the Inquisition,

and condemn Eve for what she was praised?

You should do whatever feeds your hate. God gave you free will.

 

[Divine Wind]

Did you know that the earliest evidence of hypnotism, brainwashing, or mind control, was discovered in Egypt dated around 5000 years ago? That being said Moses was highly educated in the Egyptian royal court. According to the story he left all of that to be among his people, Hebrew slaves, which is not necessarily about beating people into submission.

Is it unbelievable to think Moses authored the story of A&E to educate children about losing your mind for life to a despicable deceiver? The children of former Hebrew slaves who had been victims of mind control, demonic possession, for hundreds of years? A fact is that the Pharaoh wore a serpent on his head and was a feared expert in sorcery, the magical arts.

Behold the Nachash! The crafty talking serpent of old who beguiles the gullible and faithless.

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What many people don't seem to realize is that when intelligent Jewish people read scripture the question about whether it is historically accurate is as irrelevant as if the story of the boy who cried wolf is historically accurate. There is no archeological proof that the town where he lived ever existed. No one knows the language he spoke. There are no historical records to prove that it ever happened but still the story conveys a timeless truth.

So was the author dishonest? Or just sharing the fruit of his mind for the benefit of others?

Hypnotism isn't magic. Brainwashing works in a controlled environment and, at best, for a limited time outside of that environment. Both the CIA and KGB studied ESP, mind control and the like for decades. All they found were things that fit within the realm of natural laws. No magic. No supernatural powers.

Moses didn't author the stories including the story of Adam and Eve...which bears similarities to Sumerian creation stories. He only wrote them down, being an educated man as you point out. Benjamin Franklin wrote down many proverbs in his "Poor Richard's Almanack" series, but he didn't "author" most of them. He simply wrote them down for posterity.

 

[ding]

if you understood why Jews wrote the gospels, you might have a better handle on why you are wrong.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

 

[rylah]

Humanity? Or beings that know and create? I say the latter.

It's an allegorical account. She's the allegorical mother of all human beings, not necessarily all living beings. Words matter.

Good thing I don't know anyone who does that. You are tilting at windmills.

Yes humanity.

If not backed up by the text -
your opinion is of no relevance.

 

[ding]

Yes humanity.

If not backed up by the text - what you say is of no relevance.

Understanding literary style and context is important when trying to discover the intent of the author.

 

[hobelim]

Hypnotism isn't magic.

No kidding.

To people living 5000 years ago hypnotism would have been indistinguishable from magic.

Is that really the best that you can do?

Damn.

 

[rosends]

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

that's adorable. Have you tried juggling automobiles?

 

[ding]

Yes humanity.

Why are you limiting God. The universe is a big place. As near as I can tell the laws of nature are such that given the right conditions and enough time life will arise and complexify until beings that know and create arise. I'm not alone in this belief. It's a fairly common belief.

 

[ding]

that's adorable. Have you tried juggling automobiles?

What you are intending for evil God is using for good.

 

[Divine Wind]

Actually motives of OP's are fair game even in zone 1.

Yes, I know. It's obvious. Why any would argue otherwise boggles the mind.

Within narrow limits as pointed out in the rules: "Zone 1": Clean Debate Zone (CDZ) / Introduce Yourself (Welcome Threads) / The Lounge / Announcements / Race Relations-Racism / Religion and Ethics: Civil discourse is the focus here, regardless of topic matter. No insults, name calling, or putting down other posters (flaming). Consider it a lesson in civics.""

Agreed on Adam and Eve as Genesis 3:22-24 clearly points out.

 

[ding]

Within narrow limits as pointed out in the rules: "Zone 1": Clean Debate Zone (CDZ) / Introduce Yourself (Welcome Threads) / The Lounge / Announcements / Race Relations-Racism / Religion and Ethics: Civil discourse is the focus here, regardless of topic matter. No insults, name calling, or putting down other posters (flaming). Consider it a lesson in civics.""

Agreed on Adam and Eve as Genesis 3:22-24 clearly points out.

I've discussed this with a mod. No where in what you pasted does it say motives of the OP are off limits. I don't need to call someone a name or put them down to point out what is motivating their OP.

 

[hobelim]

Brainwashing works in a controlled environment and, at best, for a limited time outside of that environment.

Why do you think dictators tyrants and despots around the world control the environment, the press, the judiciary, the penal system, who fails and succeeds, what children are taught, and openly ruthlessly eliminate opposition to their perverted narcissistic view of the world?

Why do you think trump is brazenly doing the exact same things right in front of your eyes?

 

[rosends]

What you are intending for evil God is using for good.

you mean the car juggling? I never thought of that as evil.

 

[rylah]

Eve picked enough for herself and Adam, then convinced Adam to eat also.

The context reveals that both were driven from the Garden, supported by the Hebrew word for mankind.

The serpent was Lucifer/Satan, a spirit being that was in Eve's head. The being in the form of a snake is a literary construct based on the characteristics of some snakes, the hissing is likened to the whispering of an 'enchanter'. God's curse on the 'serpent' was intended for the woman, not for a snake. A deep dive into the Hebrew terms reveals this.

That's not exactly what the text says.
No verse actually mentions Adam eating fruit.

The Serpent, Adam and Eve were already separate,
and named separately in each of the verses regarding the outcome.

The question is: if Eve is not banished like others - does she leave willingly to assist Adam?

 

[ding]

you mean the car juggling? I never thought of that as evil.

When they heard God coming they hid because they knew right from wrong.