Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[ding]

Then Adam alone is expelled - no mention of Eve.

So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden. The text immediately expands to plural, stating, "He drove them out and placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

 

[rylah]

So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden. The text immediately expands to plural, stating, "He drove them out and placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

The word "them" isn't in the verse,
Only Adam is mentioned, singular.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump is the epitome and a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old.

Ahha.

If any of you religious people understood your own fairy tales

Now I have fairy tails too? Why would you assume that?

trump would never have been elected, even through voter fraud, deception, corruption, and buying off greedy politicians.

Well, so much for any hope for any rational adult discussion. I see I'm talking to a stone cold idiot.

 

[hobelim]

What makes you different?

I don't lie, I don't wear diapers, I never raped or ripped anyone off, and I have bigger hands.

 

[rylah]

I don't lie, I don't wear diapers, I never raped anyone or ripped anyone off and I have bigger hands.

While some here want to advise God
on how to "improve" Genesis,
to follow their dogma...

perhaps you should become President - that's more realistic.

 

[rylah]

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[toobfreak]

I can say they knew very little if nothing about science, biology, the brain, or the solar system. A brainwashed person would have seemed to be under the spell of a magician.

Ehhhh, you cannot make a hypnotized person do anything against their will.

 

[ding]

Well, the argument can be made that the creative energy of the Lord is Love, so, as a product of creation by God, you are a product of his love, thus, a plenary portion of it, therefore, perhaps God intended to work through you using you to get through to these people, get their heads right and raise them up.

My belief - and as far as I know, the belief of all major religions - is that God is existence. I believe every extant attribute of existence is God. Not that God has those attributes, but that God is those attributes. I see God as more of an action than a "thing." So while I believe God does work through us, ultimately it's God's responsibility to shape his creatures. Not mine.

If Jesus was the son of God, then that proves that God can and does work through man, so even if Jesus was God's son, that is not to say there is not a little bit of God in all of us and any one of us hasn't the potential to help get God's work done on Earth.

I have faith that good comes from bad.

The trick is to act on what God really wants, directs and intends, from one's mere ego.

100%.

 

[ding]

Did preaching erase your ability
to express original thoughts?

That's quite the narrative you have going there. Good luck with that.

 

[hobelim]

While some here want to advise God
on how to "improve" Genesis,
to follow their dogma...

perhaps you should become President - that's more realistic.

Nah.

I prefer to remain a contemptible creature in the eyes of the demonically possessed, every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird, and the dearly departed for defying Divine law.

But thanks for your vote!

 

[Woodznutz]

That's not exactly what the text says.
No verse actually mentions Adam eating fruit.

The Serpent, Adam and Eve were already separate,
and named separately in each of the verses regarding the outcome.

The question is: if Eve is not banished like others - does she leave willingly to assist Adam?

That's not exactly what the text says.
No verse actually mentions Adam eating fruit.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 9:6

The Serpent, Adam and Eve were already separate,
and named separately in each of the verses regarding the outcome.

Was Satan present as a third person here, or was he (it) in Peter's head?

"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matthew 16.23
Also this,



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Satan “Entered” Judas — Meaning and Context​

In John 13:27, Jesus says, “Then after he had taken the morsel, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, ‘What you are about to do, do quickly.’” This moment occurs during the Last Supper, when Jesus offers a symbolic piece of bread to Judas Iscariot GotQuestions.org+1.

What “Satan entered into him” means​

The phrase “Satan entered into him” is not necessarily a literal demonic possession in the way described in some New Testament accounts (e.g., Mark 5:2–9). Instead, it likely means that Satan fully filled Judas’ mind, will, and heart with the desire to betray Jesus, moving beyond mere suggestion to active complicity GotQuestions.org+1. This aligns with Old Testament imagery of spiritual influence (e.g., 1 Kings 22:21–22; Job 1–2) where evil forces can work through human choices.

 

[hobelim]

Ehhhh, you cannot make a hypnotized person do anything against their will.

A study was done that showed that 1 in 5 people will kill a stranger if hypnotized to do it.

 

[rylah]

Nah.

I prefer to remain a contemptible creature in the eyes of the demonically possessed, every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird and the dearly departed for defying Divine law.

Becoming an angel would be a downgrade.

Eve chose for you to be in a lower world,
because repentance is far higher -
than righteousness.

 

[toobfreak]

My belief - and as far as I know, the belief of all major religions - is that God is existence. I believe every extant attribute of existence is God. Not that God has those attributes, but that God is those attributes. I see God as more of an action than a "thing."

Having studied christanity all my life plus perhaps 5-6 other religious disciplines and having even gone to school for it having studied under a fully-realized bona fide holy man, I would not seriously disagree with that assessment.

God is the creative energy behind all of creation, and every quality that exists in the phenomenal world is but a finite portion of a quality which God holds in infinite quantity.

Which inevitably leads to the question always asked: "If there is a God, then why does he permit such evil, suffering and all in the world?" To which the simple answer is that God gives man free will, that is our dominion over the other living things, and all of this suffering and evil we see is not permitted by God but permitted by man, evil, darkness and suffering are the inevitable results of what happens when man parts ways with God's will.

 

[rylah]

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 9:6

Does it say he ate of the fruit, or the tree?

Don't tell me what you've been told about it,
read the chapter and see what the text actually says.

 

[toobfreak]

A study was done that showed that 1 in 5 people will kill a stranger if hypnotized to do it.

Then I guess a lot of people must be willing and eager to murder, given have the chance or excuse.

 

[ding]

A study was done that showed that 1 in 5 people will kill a stranger if hypnotized to do it.

Studies have shown that about 20% of the population falls into a highly suggestible category. However, scientific consensus strongly rejects the idea that someone can be hypnotized to kill. The survival instinct is too strong, and subjects cannot be forced to perform actions against their core morals. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Origin of the 1-in-5 Statistic
The "1 in 5" claim stems from historical experiments in which highly suggestible individuals were told to perform seemingly dangerous tasks, such as handling venomous snakes or throwing "acid" (actually harmless saltwater) at an assistant. The subjects were highly compliant because they consciously trusted the controlled, safe environment of the psychological experiment. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The Scientific Consensus

• Conscious Compliance: Landmark research by psychologists Martin Orne and Frederick Evans proved that hypnosis does not force someone to break the law. When subjects were placed in controlled tests, they found that even non-hypnotized "waking control" participants, who were pressed by the experimenter, were equally willing to comply. [1, 2]
• Prior Propensity: The consensus in forensic psychology is that you cannot hypnotize someone into doing something they wouldn’t already consider doing. [1, 2]

Real-World Context
Throughout criminal justice history, legal defenses attempting to blame hypnosis for murders have repeatedly failed. Subjects maintain control over their actions and retain their survival instincts while in a hypnotic state.

 

[Divine Wind]

Damn. Lying, BSing and trying to control the narrative is a calculated tactic of brainwashing, or mind control and not magic. But people living 5000 years ago mind control would've been indistinguishable from magic. The magi who pay homage to baby Jesus were magicians.

Thats being said, here is a trailer detailing the very specific methods used to control the environment, the narrative, which you said was necessary for brainwashing to be lasting. Every two bit tyrant, religious charlatan, or con artist uses these proven techniques.



Say whatever you want about Hillary but she was right about that right wing conspiracy that set the stage for trump to claim to be saving democracy from communism with fascism.

"Mind control" AKA brainwashing, again, only exists within a controlled environment and begins diminishing once the person is free of that environment.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/nov02/pc

Mind control is the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical nor mystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles.

Conformity, compliance, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, guilt and fear arousal, modeling and identification are some of the staple social influence ingredients well studied in psychological experiments and field studies. In some combinations, they create a powerful crucible of extreme mental and behavioral manipulation when synthesized with several other real-world factors, such as charismatic, authoritarian leaders, dominant ideologies, social isolation, physical debilitation, induced phobias, and extreme threats or promised rewards that are typically deceptively orchestrated, over an extended time period in settings where they are applied intensively.

A body of social science evidence shows that when systematically practiced by state-sanctioned police, military or destructive cults, mind control can induce false confessions, create converts who willingly torture or kill "invented enemies," engage indoctrinated members to work tirelessly, give up their money--and even their lives--for "the cause."

 

[ding]

Which inevitably leads to the question always asked: "If there is a God, then why does he permit such evil, suffering and all in the world?" To which the simple answer is that God gives man free will, that is our dominion over the other living things, and all of this suffering and evil we see is not permitted by God but permitted by man, evil, darkness and suffering are the inevitable results of what happens when man parts ways with God's will.

I agree.

How do you answer the question why does God allow physical deformities and diseases?

 

[Woodznutz]

Does it say he ate of the fruit, or the tree?

Don't tell me what you've been told about it,
read the chapter and see what the text actually says.

Adam ate the fruit of the tree, which Eve shoved in his face.
I don't see how it could be clearer.