Zone1 Did Satan tell Eve the truth: "You shall NOT surely die?"

[DennisPTate]

For years now I have been confronted with evidence that Satan essentially told Eve the truth when he stated:

1Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
2And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”
4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Genesis 3 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

The Temptation and Fall of ManNow # Chr. 21:1; (Rev. 12:9; 20:2, 10)the serpent was # Cor. 11:3more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Ha

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Was Satan aware of higher level truths than Eve and her husband Adam?

I certainly do think so!

So in a way could it be that Satan's problem was his MOTIVE OR INTENTIONS rather than his exact advice to Eve and Adam?

Here is one of the most extreme examples that I know of that shows how Satan tends to use "True Lies" as opposed to absolute lies?


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[John J. Davis, near death experiencer] :

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”

Ever since then, I’ve been doing what Jesus asked me to do. I’ve been telling people that something happens after we pass, and it’s something absolutely beautiful. There is so much hope and so much joy, which we forget about here because life can be very hard.

There are a lot of hard times in life, and we are not supposed to remember the other side. But when you see someone who has had these experiences, it gives you hope. There is a reason for all of this. It’s all real, and we live for eternity. There is really no end. When people cross over and leave us here, they are not gone from us—we will see them again.

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A related question is whether or not former Covering Cherub Helel may have been with the Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father, and with The Holy Spirit and with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the "Word or Logos" for perhaps BILLIONS of years before Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago......
and had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago to such an extent that Satan then had to be kicked out of heaven?

 

[luiza]

Where exactly was this Satan when God was supposedly preaching and laying down his rules ?
If the snake was called Satan , where did it come from ?
Who created it other than God?

Suddenly the story becomes gibberish and pointless .

Of course there was no Garden , as the original word simply meant “Empty Space “
Or , something broadly equivalent
Like Laboratory perhaps , with a breathable atmosphere for “ God “ ?

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

YHWH is a wrathful, desert God.
The light bringer shared this information with Eve.
Lucifer, the world's first whistle blower.

 

[Woodznutz]

Where exactly was this Satan when God was supposedly preaching and laying down his rules ?
If the snake was called Satan , where did it come from ?
Who created it other than God?

Suddenly the story becomes gibberish and pointless .

Of course there was no Garden , as the original word simply meant “Empty Space “
Or , something broadly equivalent
Like Laboratory perhaps , with a breathable atmosphere for “ God “ ?

The term serpent (or snake) is a literary construct, not an actual snake. Study the Hebrew word as used in the discourse.

"Eden" means "pleasure" in Hebrew. The garden of Eden was an actual place, a remnant mimicking the whole earth prior to the fall. "Pleasure Gardens" are common in the middle east and likely had their origin in the garden of Adam and Eve. Similar gardens are grown all over the world as places that create 'idealism' as a respite from the real world.

Pleasure Gardens in the Middle East​

Pleasure gardens in the Middle East have a long and rich history, evolving from simple agricultural plots into elaborate, symbolic spaces of beauty, leisure, and spiritual meaning.

Ancient Egypt
Egyptian gardens began as fruit orchards and vegetable plots irrigated from the Nile, but by the New Kingdom they had become ornamental pleasure spaces. Wealthy households, temples, and palaces featured walled courtyards, trellised arbors, and pools with lotus flowers, ducks, and edible fish plantspeopleplanet.au+1. These gardens reflected the owner’s status, with geometric layouts, symmetry, and water features symbolizing order and divine harmony. They also served as afterlife models, placed in tombs so the deceased could enjoy them in the next world Wikipedia.

Ancient Persia (Achaemenid Era)
The concept of the “paradise garden” (pairidaeza) originated in Mesopotamia and Persia, drawing on myths like the Garden of Eden and Gilgamesh’s Garden of the Gods The Conversation. Under Cyrus the Great, gardens at Pasargadae included canals, bridges, and a large central pool, symbolizing the four quarters of his empire. These gardens were feats of hydraulic engineering, diverting water from rivers to sustain lush landscapes in arid regions The Conversation.

Mughal Gardens (South Asia, but with Persian roots)
While not in the Middle East geographically, Mughal gardens in India and Pakistan are a direct continuation of Persian charbagh tradition. These geometrically arranged gardens, with four-part layouts, water channels, and fountains, were designed to evoke paradise as described in the Quran DailyArt Magazine. Examples include the Taj Mahal and Humayun’s Tomb gardens, which combined aesthetic beauty with spiritual symbolism.

Ottoman Istanbul
In the 19th century, Istanbul became famous for its pleasure gardens along the Bosporus, offering recreation, socializing, and seasonal activities www.istanbulelsewhere.com. Gardens like Göksu, Büyükdere, and Küçüksu catered to different tastes—birdwatching, art, or casual strolling—making them central to urban life. These spaces were accessible via ferries, blending public leisure with the city’s cultural life.

Shared Themes
Across these traditions, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens often:

• Used water as a central feature for beauty and symbolism.
• Employed geometric or symbolic layouts (e.g., charbagh).
• Combined utility (food, shade) with aesthetic and spiritual value.
• Served as status symbols and spaces for leisure, social interaction, and even afterlife preparation.

In essence, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens are more than ornamental spaces—they are cultural and spiritual expressions, reflecting the region’s deep connection between nature, water, and human well-being.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Where exactly was this Satan when God was supposedly preaching and laying down his rules ?
If the snake was called Satan , where did it come from ?
Who created it other than God?

Suddenly the story becomes gibberish and pointless .

Of course there was no Garden , as the original word simply meant “Empty Space “
Or , something broadly equivalent
Like Laboratory perhaps , with a breathable atmosphere for “ God “ ?

Put this in the Religion section.

 

[luiza]

Put this in the Religion section.

I did not expect any rational responses .
Ask a Cultist to explain a belief and all you ever get is obfuscation .
Or piffle , as we say .

 

[luiza]

The term serpent (or snake) is a literary construct, not an actual snake. Study the Hebrew word as used in the discourse.

"Eden" means "pleasure" in Hebrew. The garden of Eden was an actual place, a remnant mimicking the whole earth prior to the fall. "Pleasure Gardens" are common in the middle east and likely had their origin in the garden of Adam and Eve. Similar gardens are grown all over the world as places that create 'idealism' as a respite from the real world.

Pleasure Gardens in the Middle East​

Pleasure gardens in the Middle East have a long and rich history, evolving from simple agricultural plots into elaborate, symbolic spaces of beauty, leisure, and spiritual meaning.

Ancient Egypt
Egyptian gardens began as fruit orchards and vegetable plots irrigated from the Nile, but by the New Kingdom they had become ornamental pleasure spaces. Wealthy households, temples, and palaces featured walled courtyards, trellised arbors, and pools with lotus flowers, ducks, and edible fish plantspeopleplanet.au+1. These gardens reflected the owner’s status, with geometric layouts, symmetry, and water features symbolizing order and divine harmony. They also served as afterlife models, placed in tombs so the deceased could enjoy them in the next world Wikipedia.

Ancient Persia (Achaemenid Era)
The concept of the “paradise garden” (pairidaeza) originated in Mesopotamia and Persia, drawing on myths like the Garden of Eden and Gilgamesh’s Garden of the Gods The Conversation. Under Cyrus the Great, gardens at Pasargadae included canals, bridges, and a large central pool, symbolizing the four quarters of his empire. These gardens were feats of hydraulic engineering, diverting water from rivers to sustain lush landscapes in arid regions The Conversation.

Mughal Gardens (South Asia, but with Persian roots)
While not in the Middle East geographically, Mughal gardens in India and Pakistan are a direct continuation of Persian charbagh tradition. These geometrically arranged gardens, with four-part layouts, water channels, and fountains, were designed to evoke paradise as described in the Quran DailyArt Magazine. Examples include the Taj Mahal and Humayun’s Tomb gardens, which combined aesthetic beauty with spiritual symbolism.

Ottoman Istanbul
In the 19th century, Istanbul became famous for its pleasure gardens along the Bosporus, offering recreation, socializing, and seasonal activities www.istanbulelsewhere.com. Gardens like Göksu, Büyükdere, and Küçüksu catered to different tastes—birdwatching, art, or casual strolling—making them central to urban life. These spaces were accessible via ferries, blending public leisure with the city’s cultural life.

Shared Themes
Across these traditions, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens often:

• Used water as a central feature for beauty and symbolism.
• Employed geometric or symbolic layouts (e.g., charbagh).
• Combined utility (food, shade) with aesthetic and spiritual value.
• Served as status symbols and spaces for leisure, social interaction, and even afterlife preparation.

In essence, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens are more than ornamental spaces—they are cultural and spiritual expressions, reflecting the region’s deep connection between nature, water, and human well-being.

Unfortunately it translates into almost anything but “garden”.
And the idea that Goddy Boy was Enki carrying out some DNA adjustments is not
something Cultists have likely considered .

Did these Adam and Eve creations have children ?
Did the son(s) marry the daughter(s) ?
If not , why didn’t the new beings become extinct?

 

[Woodznutz]

Unfortunately it translates into almost anything but “garden”.

The Hebrew translation is "a garden", especially one planted with trees.

Adam and Eve's (many) children likely married each other. There were no restrictions at that time.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The term serpent (or snake) is a literary construct, not an actual snake. Study the Hebrew word as used in the discourse.

"Eden" means "pleasure" in Hebrew. The garden of Eden was an actual place, a remnant mimicking the whole earth prior to the fall. "Pleasure Gardens" are common in the middle east and likely had their origin in the garden of Adam and Eve. Similar gardens are grown all over the world as places that create 'idealism' as a respite from the real world.

Pleasure Gardens in the Middle East​

Pleasure gardens in the Middle East have a long and rich history, evolving from simple agricultural plots into elaborate, symbolic spaces of beauty, leisure, and spiritual meaning.

Ancient Egypt
Egyptian gardens began as fruit orchards and vegetable plots irrigated from the Nile, but by the New Kingdom they had become ornamental pleasure spaces. Wealthy households, temples, and palaces featured walled courtyards, trellised arbors, and pools with lotus flowers, ducks, and edible fish plantspeopleplanet.au+1. These gardens reflected the owner’s status, with geometric layouts, symmetry, and water features symbolizing order and divine harmony. They also served as afterlife models, placed in tombs so the deceased could enjoy them in the next world Wikipedia.

Ancient Persia (Achaemenid Era)
The concept of the “paradise garden” (pairidaeza) originated in Mesopotamia and Persia, drawing on myths like the Garden of Eden and Gilgamesh’s Garden of the Gods The Conversation. Under Cyrus the Great, gardens at Pasargadae included canals, bridges, and a large central pool, symbolizing the four quarters of his empire. These gardens were feats of hydraulic engineering, diverting water from rivers to sustain lush landscapes in arid regions The Conversation.

Mughal Gardens (South Asia, but with Persian roots)
While not in the Middle East geographically, Mughal gardens in India and Pakistan are a direct continuation of Persian charbagh tradition. These geometrically arranged gardens, with four-part layouts, water channels, and fountains, were designed to evoke paradise as described in the Quran DailyArt Magazine. Examples include the Taj Mahal and Humayun’s Tomb gardens, which combined aesthetic beauty with spiritual symbolism.

Ottoman Istanbul
In the 19th century, Istanbul became famous for its pleasure gardens along the Bosporus, offering recreation, socializing, and seasonal activities www.istanbulelsewhere.com. Gardens like Göksu, Büyükdere, and Küçüksu catered to different tastes—birdwatching, art, or casual strolling—making them central to urban life. These spaces were accessible via ferries, blending public leisure with the city’s cultural life.

Shared Themes
Across these traditions, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens often:

• Used water as a central feature for beauty and symbolism.
• Employed geometric or symbolic layouts (e.g., charbagh).
• Combined utility (food, shade) with aesthetic and spiritual value.
• Served as status symbols and spaces for leisure, social interaction, and even afterlife preparation.

In essence, Middle Eastern pleasure gardens are more than ornamental spaces—they are cultural and spiritual expressions, reflecting the region’s deep connection between nature, water, and human well-being.

The term 'Adam' is used in several contexts. On some it is not and individual name but means 'mankind', not just some guy named Adam, same with 'Eve' meaning womankind.

Hello, My Name Is: ADAM

Coming directly from the Hebrew word אדם (ʾadam), meaning "man" or "humankind," the name Adam was the name of the first man created in Genesis. Interestingly, in Genesis 1:26, the word אדם (ʾadam) is clearly plural and means "humankind," as the accompanying verbs are plural and two people are...

bam.sites.uiowa.edu

Strong's Hebrew: 120. אָדָם (adam) -- Man, mankind, human, Adam

 

[Bezukhov]

Maybe God should have been a little more honest Himself. "Ya know, if you eat that fruit, you're going to burn in Hell for all eternity."

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Was Satan aware of higher level truths than Eve and her husband Adam?
I certainly do think so!


well that clearly marks you as a Satanist nutter...

 

[Woodznutz]

The term 'Adam' is used in several contexts. On some it is not and individual name but means 'mankind', not just some guy named Adam, same with 'Eve' meaning womankind.

Hello, My Name Is: ADAM

Coming directly from the Hebrew word אדם (ʾadam), meaning "man" or "humankind," the name Adam was the name of the first man created in Genesis. Interestingly, in Genesis 1:26, the word אדם (ʾadam) is clearly plural and means "humankind," as the accompanying verbs are plural and two people are...

bam.sites.uiowa.edu

Strong's Hebrew: 120. אָדָם (adam) -- Man, mankind, human, Adam

Many Hebrew words have several meanings depending on the context.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The Hebrew translation is "a garden", especially one planted with trees.

Adam and Eve's (many) children likely married each other. There were no restrictions at that time.

A lot more likely there were more than just two people in the Garden.

 

[Hafar1014]

Where exactly was this Satan when God was supposedly preaching and laying down his rules ?
If the snake was called Satan , where did it come from ?
Who created it other than God?

Suddenly the story becomes gibberish and pointless .

Of course there was no Garden , as the original word simply meant “Empty Space “
Or , something broadly equivalent
Like Laboratory perhaps , with a breathable atmosphere for “ God “ ?

ITs an allegory beyond your understanding

 

[rosends]

For years now I have been confronted with evidence that Satan essentially told Eve the truth when he stated:

Genesis 3 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

The Temptation and Fall of ManNow # Chr. 21:1; (Rev. 12:9; 20:2, 10)the serpent was # Cor. 11:3more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Ha

www.bible.com

Was Satan aware of higher level truths than Eve and her husband Adam?

I certainly do think so!

So in a way could it be that Satan's problem was his MOTIVE OR INTENTIONS rather than his exact advice to Eve and Adam?

Here is one of the most extreme examples that I know of that shows how Satan tends to use "True Lies" as opposed to absolute lies?
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No. Eve misspoke.

 

[Woodznutz]

A lot more likely there were more than just two people in the Garden.

It's true that God could have created other people that are not recorded in the Bible.

 

[Hafar1014]

ITs an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors for humanity, the Garden is childhood. There is no snake the serpent is a metaphor for Guile, there is no original sin or fall of man. Its the moral teaching of man and the trial for mans freedom. After acquiring morals God allowed Adam to choose to come to Him. It was test. Then they outgrew Eden and went out to create a civilization.

Christians distorted this to create reason for Jesus to exist and they created Hell as threat to compel obedience. 100% the opposite of the true meaning. What they created was 2000 years of violence against Jews and Muslims

 

[Hafar1014]

Was Satan aware of higher level truths than Eve and her husband Adam?

I certainly do think so!

So in a way could it be that Satan's problem was his MOTIVE OR INTENTIONS rather than his exact advice to Eve and Adam?

Here is one of the most extreme examples that I know of that shows how Satan tends to use "True Lies" as opposed to absolute lies?
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No. Eve misspoke.

There is no Satan in Genesis Jews cant have a devil and Jews wrote Genesis.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

What they created was 2000 years of violence against Jews and Muslims

lol more like Jews and Muslims created 2000 years of violence against Jews and Muslims.

 

[Hafar1014]

Was Satan aware of higher level truths than Eve and her husband Adam?

I certainly do think so!

So in a way could it be that Satan's problem was his MOTIVE OR INTENTIONS rather than his exact advice to Eve and Adam?

Here is one of the most extreme examples that I know of that shows how Satan tends to use "True Lies" as opposed to absolute lies?
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No. Eve misspoke.

There is no Satan in Genesis its a serpent the metaphor for guile and the only animal with the power of speech from Hebrew folklore. Jews wo wrote Genesis cant believe in a devil or Satan