Zone1 Did Satan tell Eve the truth: "You shall NOT surely die?"

[rosends]

More segues away from what was said by me.

and still no answers from you. If you don't care about your integrity then just ignore me. I'm not arguing against your thesis -- I was just trying to help you tighten up your presentation. BOL

 

[EdwinAMartin]

and still no answers from you. If you don't care about your integrity then just ignore me. I'm not arguing against your thesis -- I was just trying to help you tighten up your presentation. BOL

You're just a lying troll, is all. I guess you need the attention.

 

[DennisPTate]

You're just a lying troll, is all. I guess you need the attention.

Thank you EdwinAMartin for rebuking somebody who may very well fit the definition of "troll?"

 

[Carl in Michigan]

For years now I have been confronted with evidence that Satan essentially told Eve the truth when he stated

You've embraced the lie. Beyond that, you're calling GOD the liar.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It's true that God could have created other people that are not recorded in the Bible.

This is what I struggle with. It explains so much but it leads to some dangerous things.

Are there races that aren't fully Man? Those who sprang from Adam were clearly different.
Civilization didn't occur until Adam.

Is this why Indians had no roads but only trails? Why they carried their stuff on skids and not wheels? Why they never advanced beyond the stone age?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Again, Moses was a Levite. Jews had no hand in recording the inspired words of God.

Most Jews are as blinded as the world on this. They make no distinction between Judah and Israel

 

[rosends]

Most Jews are as blinded as the world on this. They make no distinction between Judah and Israel

why would you assume that. The difference between the two is essential in Judaism.

 

[DennisPTate]

eh, you display slightly too much unfounded calculations here, and delve too deep into the Bible for me to even understand the timescale of predictions you indicate, sorry.
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All that I feel that I need to do is to inspire people to search... and dig... and then dig deeper...... "the Truth IS OUT THERE.... but we need to dig for it as if it was a treasure.

It also helps to raise your right hand in the air.....
paraphrase Isaiah chapter forty five verse one to five..... and ask YHWh to guide you through life so that you can be shown the misunderstandings that we all have.... so that you can teach other accurately and objectively?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

why would you assume that. The difference between the two is essential in Judaism.

I don't assume anything. I understand what you know and what you lack

 

[DennisPTate]

I don't assume anything. I understand what you know and what you lack

Actually....
only the Being of Light of near death experience fame, [who I believe is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus], actually knows all of our weaknesses or even our positive points]. You and I cannot even judge ourselves property.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

eh, you display slightly too much unfounded calculations here, and delve too deep into the Bible for me to even understand the timescale of predictions you indicate, sorry.

All that I feel that I need to do is to inspire people to search... and dig... and then dig deeper...... "the Truth IS OUT THERE.... but we need to dig for it as if it was a treasure.

It also helps to raise your right hand in the air.....
paraphrase Isaiah chapter forty five verse one to five..... and ask YHWh to guide you through life so that you can be shown the misunderstandings that we all have.... so that you can teach other accurately and objectively?

It is you who've strayed and don't understand.

You don't BEGIN With the trunk. You start on the twigs and leaves. You don't believe God. As you've admitted here, you believe the father of lies

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Actually....
only the Being of Light of near death experience fame, [who I believe is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus], actually knows all of our weaknesses or even our positive points]. You and I cannot even judge ourselves property.

THIS NONSENSE is where you err. I hope you find repentance

 

[rosends]

I don't assume anything. I understand what you know and what you lack

But you made a claim about Judaism that is wrong.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

But you made a claim about Judaism that is wrong.

You don't know what you don't know. You dont know, I am Joseph, your brother

 

[JustAGuy1]

Genesis was written by Jews who used their beliefs. No Satan or hell or original sin exists. Those are Christian creations needed to create the Jesus myth.

LOL

 

[Hafar1014]

LOL

 

[rosends]

You don't know what you don't know. You dont know, I am Joseph, your brother

You don't know what I don't know. I do know what I know and what I don't know.

I also know what you don't know. Clearly, you don't know Judaism.

 

[DennisPTate]

THIS NONSENSE is where you err. I hope you find repentance

If I am incorrect in what I have written.....
I know that I know that I know that I know that I will answer for every "idle word" or even every word that is like a "fly in the ointment?"

I also do hope that I can fully repent......
and I admit that repentance is not easy for any of us......
just do a search for the astonishing book on youtube entitled "The Final Quest" by Pastor Rick Joyner.

Joyner is a brilliant Christians visionary and author comparable with C. S. Lewis, but even he felt that he was only about twenty percent obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. In a visionary dream that reminds me of the Life Review of near death experience accounts Pastor Rick Joyner compared some of his thought patterns to the way that Satan once thought.

That very thought has crossed my mind as well.....
I am truly worried about exactly what Jesus meant by the word translated "raca" in the Sermon on the Mount?

 

[rosends]

There are 2 separate issues here. The first is that Eve made a huge mistake when talking to the snake. She said that God had commanded her not to TOUCH the fruit, lest she die. God had not said that. So the snake was able to capitalize on that error.

The second is that the phrase used is a technical one that means "liable to a death penalty." It is used this way straight through the 5 books of Moses. It does not mean "die immediately". It never did.

 

[DennisPTate]

There are 2 separate issues here. The first is that Eve made a huge mistake when talking to the snake. She said that God had commanded her not to TOUCH the fruit, lest she die. God had not said that. So the snake was able to capitalize on that error.

The second is that the phrase used is a technical one that means "liable to a death penalty." It is used this way straight through the 5 books of Moses. It does not mean "die immediately". It never did.

Wow!!!!

In my opinion your answer is brilliant and you made me aware of some aspects of this question that I had never read before in my sixty six years. I had a low level of understanding of the idea that this specifically meant "liable to a death penalty?" I kind of knew that... but I had not heard it worded exactly that way before?