The West will have to make peace with Russia

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Biden (amazingly) was about the only, and certainly the first, to say Putin was going to invade. And I don't for a second think Biden thought Ukraine could hold out, but when the Ruskies stalled, the West sent aid.

I'm cynical and think Biden knew (personally) of Ukraine's corruption, and our aim was simply to use Ukrainians to kill Russians, because Ukraine is not Putin's goal.

As much as it would suck for Ukranine and the thousands maimed by Putin's aggression, but if Ukraine ends up with just what is west of the Dnieper River, and in Nato .... that's better than what Putin had in store for them.

Meanwhile

Poland receives first company of M1A1 Abrams tanks

Poland received its first company of 14 M1A1 Abrams tanks at the Port of Szczecin on 28 June, the Polish Ministry of National Defence (MND) announced on its website...

www.janes.com

What does you link have to do with Ukraine. This is for Poland.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Supplying Ukraine with more weapons is just a waste of US taxpayer money.
The Ukraine military doesn't have technical training or manpower to effectively operate the sophisticated weapons they need to prosecute the war.

Whatever gave you that idea? They are quite trainable.

 

[Rogue AI]

Should I quote American corruption scandals or will you understand how stupid what you've posted on your own?

Some choice instances of corruption EXPOSED do not prove a country is more or less corrupt than before.

Choice instances? Had you actually even bothered to look into it that's spans across numerous top officials in various agencies and government branches. Look up the recruiting offices corruption, it spanned every single office in the country. Look at why there were no fortifications to stop the current Russian advance. You rubes are simply blind to reality.

 

[martybegan]

Whose tank production is slow? The tanks we gave Ukraine were part of a massive built-in reserve. there are tanks sitting in the desert now that haven't been touched because we don't need them. The Army is just now outfitting the successor to the Abrams tank. They had one on Fox News this morning at Fort Liberty NC.

What is the monthly production of Abrams tanks?

10-20 a month?

That's gone when a battalion takes 50% losses.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What is the monthly production of Abrams tanks?

10-20 a month?

That's gone when a battalion takes 50% losses.

We have tons of tanks sitting in the desert not being used. The Army is taking over the M1A1 tanks from the Marines, The Marines abandoned tank warfare.

 

[AntonToo]

Choice instances? Had you actually even bothered to look into it that's spans across numerous top officials in various agencies and government branches. Look up the recruiting offices corruption, it spanned every single office in the country. Look at why there were no fortifications to stop the current Russian advance. You rubes are simply blind to reality.

You've made a COMPARATIVE STATEMENT.

Do you understand what those words mean?

You are saying prior corruption was LOWER than current corruption. Wtf makes you think you can support that without doing any actual comparison?

Here is an exmaple of recruting corruption in US:

Army Major Guilty of Taking Draft Evasion Bribes (Published 1975)

Army Major William Sangemino is found guilty of accepting over $50,000 in bribes from '68-71 for assisting men escape draft and soldiers escape Vietnam tours, Fed Dist Ct, NYC, Apr 18; prosecutor Jeffrey Harris's key witness, Nathan Lemler, testifies he made frequent payments to Sangemino in...

www.nytimes.com

Does that prove that America was a corrupt country?

 

[martybegan]

We have tons of tanks sitting in the desert not being used. The Army is taking over the M1A1 tanks from the Marines, The Marines abandoned tank warfare.

How many battalions did the Marines have?

Define "tons"

 

[Rogue AI]

You've made a COMPARATIVE STATEMENT.

Do you understand what those words mean?

You are saying prior corruption was LOWER than current corruption. Wtf makes you think you can support that without doing any actual comparison?

Here is recruting corruption in US:

Army Major Guilty of Taking Draft Evasion Bribes (Published 1975)

Army Major William Sangemino is found guilty of accepting over $50,000 in bribes from '68-71 for assisting men escape draft and soldiers escape Vietnam tours, Fed Dist Ct, NYC, Apr 18; prosecutor Jeffrey Harris's key witness, Nathan Lemler, testifies he made frequent payments to Sangemino in...

www.nytimes.com

Does that prove that America was a corrupt country?

Are stupid? Try reading what I've written instead of injecting your own inept opinions.

You found an example of one person. If you weren't an ignorant rube you would find there was recruitment corruption in every single office in the whole of Ukraine. You really aren't very good at understanding scope or scale.

 

[AntonToo]

Are stupid? Try reading what I've written instead of injecting your own inept opinions.

You found an example of one person. If you weren't an ignorant rube you would find there was recruitment corruption in every single office in the whole of Ukraine. You really aren't very good at understanding scope or scale.

Draft was dodged by a lot of people in America, with all kinds of bullshit doctors notes and otherwise, thats a fact.

But more importantly whats the comparison?

What the fuck makes you think that a draft done in prior years would have less corruption?

 

[Nobody911]

Support for Ukraine has become a divisive political issue in the United States, as it seems almost anything important will – and so many people are emotional about it. But a sober analysis suggests Ukraine may soon have to seek a deal with Russia.
The West erred disastrously in extending delusions of NATO membership to a country whose borders reach within a few hundred miles of Moscow, and that Russia – not just Putin – was left with little choice but to draw a line in the steppe.
Moreover, Russia is unlikely to lose because it has a massive numbers advantage and a determined leadership – backed up by a significant swath of public opinion – which doesn't mind sacrificing as much treasure and as many lives as it takes to subdue Ukraine. Critically, this narrative says, Russia's shocking violation of the longstanding taboo on nuclear threats may not be a bluff.

The treasury secretary has urged financial institutions to comply with restrictions on Russia or face penalties.

Source:
US threatens German banks with sanctions – Reuters — RT World News – US threatens German banks with sanctions – Reuters

The exercise will involve the delivery of nuclear weapons to troops, covert deployment, and preparations to a strike, the Defense Ministry has said.

Source:
Russia launches tactical nuclear drills (VIDEO) — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union – Russia launches tactical nuclear drills (VIDEO)

Evidently, the US is willing to overthrow the current regime under Putin. By using Zelensky and the EU to destabilize Russia, US can maintain the unipolar.

It seems the KGB man like Putin will use any means to keep ruling Russia. He will surely play a lose-lose game with the West if necessary.

Someone said " Peace is within, not without. Greed and violence do not lead to a peaceful world. Greed often fuels conflict and competition, leading to inequality and hostility among individuals and nations. Violence only begets more violence, creating a cycle of destruction and suffering. "

BETTER MAKE PEACE WITHIN, NOT WITHOUT. IF SUCCESSFUL, NOTHING MORE TO FEAR.

 

[Rogue AI]

Draft was dodged by a lot of people in America, with all kinds of bullshit doctors notes and otherwise, thats a fact.

But more importantly whats the comparison?

What the fuck makes you think that a draft done in prior years would have less corruption?

If you can't see the difference between fighting 'over there' and fighting for your country's very survival, there is no help for you. You might also want to ponder other Ukrainian decisions, like cutting all embassy services to fighting age men abroad, or why there are so many. Or even look at the vast number of people who fled. The sheer lack of patriotism should tell you something.

 

[AntonToo]

If you can't see the difference between fighting 'over there' and fighting for your country's very survival, there is no help for you. You might also want to ponder other Ukrainian decisions, like cutting all embassy services to fighting age men abroad, or why there are so many. Or even look at the vast number of people who fled. The sheer lack of patriotism should tell you something.

I don’t know what the hell you are talking about but it’s definitely not about comparing corruption in Ukraine over the years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How many battalions did the Marines have?

Define "tons"

400 tanks.

Thousands.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin could care less about making amends with the western nations.
The Russian economy is stronger than ever.
Both China and now India have become aligned with Russia.
The new BRICS organization now rivals the Western G7 bloc of nations.

These people cant see past tgeir noses. That pact added 2.7 billion people. South Africa waa added for the gold mines there.

 

[eagle1462010]

Conventionally Russia cant beat NATO. They rows of armor would be annillated by our air power.

Target practice. But then the world may go to 2 million degrees

 

[Rigby5]

1. Okay Ivan, stop with the bullshit.
2. Putin's war was supposed to last 3-days. Here we are stalemated 3-years later.
3. Putin's war is NOT popular in Russia, men are fleeing to avoid being drafted, so Putin is drafting prisoners.
4. Ukraine will be admitted to NATO. No one trusts Putin anymore.
5. Russia's tiny economy is failing, its not built to support a long expensive war, Russia cannot match NATO in weaponry.
6. Nuclear sword rattling? Moscow would be the 2nd city destroyed.

WRONG!
We would have nuked Cuba if Russia had not agreed to remove the nukes in 1962.
The Ukraine is much worse since it is inside the Russian defense grid.
So the Ukraine will NEVER be allowed to join NATO.
Russia would have to nuke both Kyiv and the US if that even looked possible.

Does not matter if Moscow would be destroyed or not.
At least if Russia launches before the Ukraine joins, then some of Russia would survive.
If Russia waits until after the Ukraine joins, then none of Russia would survive.

 

[Rigby5]

If NATO holds no cards, why is Putin's 3-day war still stalemated 3-years later?

NATO should just admit Ukraine. Then that ends the war.

The US is spending trillions on the Ukraine, that is the cause of the 3 year delay.
It is not a stalemate, since Russia is winning.
And joining NATO does NOT end the war.
It just would demand an instant nuclear retaliation.

 

[Rigby5]

I did not think the USA would ever fend for Putin as a number of Citizens have. Ukraine was invaded. Double that. They have been ruined in parts of the country. Russia has to pay. Russia operates as past dictators operate. We owe Russia nothing at all.

Wrong.
The Ukraine defaulted on its treaties, with acts of war.
Russia was forced to retaliate.

For example, the Ukraine tried to prevent Russian use of Sevastopol, tried to join an alliance hostile to Moscow, tried to commit genocide against native Russians in the Ukraine.

It is the Ukraine who is at fault and has to pay.

 

[eagle1462010]

The US is spending trillions on the Ukraine, that is the cause of the 3 year delay.
It is not a stalemate, since Russia is winning.
And joining NATO does NOT end the war.
It just would demand an instant nuclear retaliation.

Demand the MAD STRATEGY.

Russia could just withdraw and end it. Ukraine doesnt want to be part of Russia.

Those who lived under the Iron Thumb of the USSR would rather die than joun them again

 

[Rigby5]

To me Russia is in the wrong here. Crimea was a land grab, Donbas was a land Grab.

My issue is I don't want WWIII over this, nor do I want us to deplete our reserves of munitions or spares of equipment over this.

Wrong.
The Ukraine used to be the heart of Russia and Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
The ethnic Polish are descendants of a failed Polish invasion from around 1600.
The Crimea is Russia's only warm water port, and by treaty, the Ukraine promised to never prevent Russian use.
The Donbas it majority ethnic Russian, who were being killed by the Azov Battalion.
The Ukraine tried to join NATO, which is an act of war because the Ukraine is INSIDE of Russia's defense grid, so can never be allowed to join NATO.