No To NATO Trainers in Ukraine Training the Ukrainian Army!

JimofPennsylvan

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In the recent past the government of France said it would like to send military trainers into the country of Ukraine to train Ukrainian soldiers and it would like other countries who are Ukrainian allies to do likewise. Although the intentions here by France are highly commendable for this is a completely unjust war by Russia against Ukraine, Russia is stealing Ukrainian land and it is indefensible; however, this is an extremely unwise and dangerous move for what it could provoke from Russian President Vladimir Putin. Prior statements by Vladimir Putin as it pertains the war indicate that Putin considers an eligible option using tactical nuclear weapons if he believes the NATO alliance is threatening Russia. Although NATO trainers training Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine probably would not be enough to provoke Putin along these lines, the issue raised here is not that simple because military trainers often expand their role to advising the troops their training on live battlefield tactics, in addition, military training roles often officially morph into the trainers accompany the troops they train into battle to help with tactics and strategy to further help the ally in need. This mission creep should really worry all citizens in NATO countries especially those in Europe because although Putin probably won't go nuclear this year when Ukraine is weak from last years failed counteroffensive and their shortage in fighting units and Putin's forces have momentum albeit minor momentum. The real alarm is in 2025 when Ukraine will be in a position to make another counter offensive or when Russia comes to the point where the battlefield casualties from this war cannot be maintained and Vladimir Putin needs a political face saving off-ramp. When that time arrives Putin could use NATO trainers guiding Ukrainian forces on the battlefield against Russian troops as NATO engaging in war against Russia and threatening Russian security and sovereignty and use tactical nuclear weapons in the war against Ukraine inside Ukraine which would kill directly or through radiation poisoning high tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Of course this would bring devastating military consequences against Russia's air and missile power as President Biden retaliates the way he said he would and the consequences of the retaliation would cause Putin to have to withdraw his forces from Ukraine. But Putin would have political cover he could honestly say he had to end the war because NATO got involved it wasn't because Putin and the Russian Army got beat and he could then rally his people to rebuild the Russian army to defend against NATO's military aggression against Russia. Likely resulting in a timeline of ten to fifteen years from now when Putin has rebuilt his military Russia again engaging in a military invasion of Ukraine or maybe directly a NATO country. Let us permanently cage Vladimir Putin and authoritarian Russian regimes in Russia not give them any lifeline!
 
In the recent past the government of France said it would like to send military trainers into the country of Ukraine to train Ukrainian soldiers and it would like other countries who are Ukrainian allies to do likewise. Although the intentions here by France are highly commendable for this is a completely unjust war by Russia against Ukraine, Russia is stealing Ukrainian land and it is indefensible; however, this is an extremely unwise and dangerous move for what it could provoke from Russian President Vladimir Putin. Prior statements by Vladimir Putin as it pertains the war indicate that Putin considers an eligible option using tactical nuclear weapons if he believes the NATO alliance is threatening Russia. Although NATO trainers training Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine probably would not be enough to provoke Putin along these lines, the issue raised here is not that simple because military trainers often expand their role to advising the troops their training on live battlefield tactics, in addition, military training roles often officially morph into the trainers accompany the troops they train into battle to help with tactics and strategy to further help the ally in need. This mission creep should really worry all citizens in NATO countries especially those in Europe because although Putin probably won't go nuclear this year when Ukraine is weak from last years failed counteroffensive and their shortage in fighting units and Putin's forces have momentum albeit minor momentum. The real alarm is in 2025 when Ukraine will be in a position to make another counter offensive or when Russia comes to the point where the battlefield casualties from this war cannot be maintained and Vladimir Putin needs a political face saving off-ramp. When that time arrives Putin could use NATO trainers guiding Ukrainian forces on the battlefield against Russian troops as NATO engaging in war against Russia and threatening Russian security and sovereignty and use tactical nuclear weapons in the war against Ukraine inside Ukraine which would kill directly or through radiation poisoning high tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Of course this would bring devastating military consequences against Russia's air and missile power as President Biden retaliates the way he said he would and the consequences of the retaliation would cause Putin to have to withdraw his forces from Ukraine. But Putin would have political cover he could honestly say he had to end the war because NATO got involved it wasn't because Putin and the Russian Army got beat and he could then rally his people to rebuild the Russian army to defend against NATO's military aggression against Russia. Likely resulting in a timeline of ten to fifteen years from now when Putin has rebuilt his military Russia again engaging in a military invasion of Ukraine or maybe directly a NATO country. Let us permanently cage Vladimir Putin and authoritarian Russian regimes in Russia not give them any lifeline!
I wouldn't go as far as that, but conceptually quite true. Using NATO troops as trainers is a very bad idea. We tried it in Vietnam with advisors and found that slope was slippery as hell. The next thing we knew, we had 55,000 dead soldiers in a foreign land, we should not have sent people to. Afghanistan ended up kicking the Russian out, making the loss of men and material, simply too expensive for the Soviet Union. With continue material support and Ukrainians training outside of Ukraine to come back to teach and man foreign supplied equipment, it can happen in Ukraine, too.
 
In next to no time we will see UK Sunak and Cameron gone -- two huge Deep State operatives. Albeit UK , Labour party Starmer is from the same stable .
Also Deep State poster boy Midget Macron will hopefully have been discarded and The Donald welcomed back as US Commander in Chief.

A hugely different scenario which could completely changes geo- political probabilities .
And most likely all for the better .
 
In the recent past the government of France said it would like to send military trainers into the country of Ukraine to train Ukrainian soldiers and it would like other countries who are Ukrainian allies to do likewise. Although the intentions here by France are highly commendable for this is a completely unjust war by Russia against Ukraine, Russia is stealing Ukrainian land and it is indefensible; however, this is an extremely unwise and dangerous move for what it could provoke from Russian President Vladimir Putin. Prior statements by Vladimir Putin as it pertains the war indicate that Putin considers an eligible option using tactical nuclear weapons if he believes the NATO alliance is threatening Russia. Although NATO trainers training Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine probably would not be enough to provoke Putin along these lines, the issue raised here is not that simple because military trainers often expand their role to advising the troops their training on live battlefield tactics, in addition, military training roles often officially morph into the trainers accompany the troops they train into battle to help with tactics and strategy to further help the ally in need. This mission creep should really worry all citizens in NATO countries especially those in Europe because although Putin probably won't go nuclear this year when Ukraine is weak from last years failed counteroffensive and their shortage in fighting units and Putin's forces have momentum albeit minor momentum. The real alarm is in 2025 when Ukraine will be in a position to make another counter offensive or when Russia comes to the point where the battlefield casualties from this war cannot be maintained and Vladimir Putin needs a political face saving off-ramp. When that time arrives Putin could use NATO trainers guiding Ukrainian forces on the battlefield against Russian troops as NATO engaging in war against Russia and threatening Russian security and sovereignty and use tactical nuclear weapons in the war against Ukraine inside Ukraine which would kill directly or through radiation poisoning high tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Of course this would bring devastating military consequences against Russia's air and missile power as President Biden retaliates the way he said he would and the consequences of the retaliation would cause Putin to have to withdraw his forces from Ukraine. But Putin would have political cover he could honestly say he had to end the war because NATO got involved it wasn't because Putin and the Russian Army got beat and he could then rally his people to rebuild the Russian army to defend against NATO's military aggression against Russia. Likely resulting in a timeline of ten to fifteen years from now when Putin has rebuilt his military Russia again engaging in a military invasion of Ukraine or maybe directly a NATO country. Let us permanently cage Vladimir Putin and authoritarian Russian regimes in Russia not give them any lifeline!

Oopsies, too late!

Did you miss the update memo that the entire point of the Ukrainian Proxy war is to give WEF and BlackRock control over whatever is left of the non-Russian portion of Ukraine?

Originally, in 2022, it was control of 100% of Ukraine and then start on whatever was left of Russia after their inevitable loss to NATO
 
I wouldn't go as far as that, but conceptually quite true. Using NATO troops as trainers is a very bad idea. We tried it in Vietnam with advisors and found that slope was slippery as hell. The next thing we knew, we had 55,000 dead soldiers in a foreign land, we should not have sent people to. Afghanistan ended up kicking the Russian out, making the loss of men and material, simply too expensive for the Soviet Union. With continue material support and Ukrainians training outside of Ukraine to come back to teach and man foreign supplied equipment, it can happen in Ukraine, too.

Ukraine is finished, done. They arrest and kill reporters, no elections, no freedom of religion, no next generation. WTF are we doing there?

Oh yeah Lindsey Graham spilled the beans: fighting for the WEF and BlackRock to control what is left of their $12T in resources

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Ukraine is finished, done. They arrest and kill reporters, no elections, no freedom of religion, no next generation. WTF are we doing there?

Oh yeah Lindsey Graham spilled the beans: fighting for the WEF and BlackRock to control what is left of their $12T in resources

d5a276ad80f25c158fd37a8f8a2d687f_1672163581_extra_large.jpeg
Nope, Yuri. They are not done killing Russian invaders yet.
 
Ukraine is finished, done. They arrest and kill reporters, no elections, no freedom of religion, no next generation. WTF are we doing there?

Oh yeah Lindsey Graham spilled the beans: fighting for the WEF and BlackRock to control what is left of their $12T in resources
Can't say they have no freedom of religion Frank, they are perfectly free to attend the state approved church and no other.
 

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