Zone1 "Son of MAN" is?

[Cougarbear]

You haven't seen my attack yet. But if you keep running your mouth, you will.

You have no attacks that I haven't seen in my 49 years being a member of the Church. You people think you are so smart when you are so slow and dumb about this. It's funny to see the same crap be regurgitated over and over. Funny.

 

[Cougarbear]

He was Lord before He came here. Him being the Son of Man was Him fulfilling Jewish Law. If a Jewish man lost his fortune, a relative could redeem it for him. The relative is called a Kinsman Redeemer.
Christ fulfilled that Law by becoming a relative of Adam with the capability of returning dominion over the earth back to man and out of Satan's grasp.
And when the Age of the Gentile comes to a close, Christ is going to return to take control of the earth he shed His blood to salvage...

So, this is interesting. Thanks for the insight. Someone who doesn't have to lower themselves and attack our beliefs. By the way, when reading Daniel 7:13, the Son of man comes to the Ancient of days and takes control of mankind. I agree that the Ancient of Days is Adam. I believe most of Christian Dome believes the Ancient of days is Jesus Christ. If "man" is the Ancient of Days as you state, then Adam has to be the ancient of Days.

Daniel also sees the Last Days or Latter-days in which we are in now in Dan 2:44 as the Church or Kingdom established in these the latter days and will not be given to another. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints fits. But, none of their offshutes cannot because they would be "another."

 

[Meriweather]

What does the Lord mean when he says, "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One (Father)? Most sites on the subject will say he's the Son of Man because he was born huMAN and over came death to be Lord God. But, I'm wondering if this is really the case and pose this. What if there is a word missing? So-called Christians would not understand. But, LDS should. What if it should be Son of the Glorified Man. Father in Heaven is a Glorified man. "As man is now God once was. As God is now man may become." Any thoughts on this?

For Jews and Christian denominations that retain Biblical/Tanakh roots with Hebrew etymology, what is usually translated as Son of Man, is more literally translated as son of Adam. It is further understood that it comes with the understanding of mortal status and human weakness.

In other words, the LDS interpretation doesn't work because God is not--and never was-- the son of Adam. God is Adam's creator.
While it is only a personal wondering on my part, was one of the reason Jesus was consistently using the phrase 'son of man' a reminder of his current mortal status despite his divinity/oneness with God (who was not created, but always was/is).

Be assured I am not attempting to argue LDS beliefs--they are what they are. But perhaps it will give those of the LDS faith insight on why all other Christian denominations cringe at LDS interpretation that it means God was once mortal, which means LDS men may become Gods.

 

[onefour1]

In Genesis we read:


Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Who are the "our" in the verse above? Is it not God the Father and Jesus Christ? If mankind were made after the image and likeness of God doesn't that show you what God's image and likeness are? Apparently God the Father and Jesus have the same image and likeness and so do all of mankind. After Jesus died and was resurrected, he ascended to heaven with his immortal resurrected body. But did Jesus' image and likeness change from what the Father's image and likeness was? NO! In Hebrews we read:

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Here we read that Jesus the very express image of his Father in Heaven. After ascending to heaven he sit down on the right hand of the Father. So Jesus looks exactly like his father and is the express image of him. Jesus, being resurrected with his body of flesh and bones (see Luke 24) is an exalted eternal man. IF the Father has the express image of the son just as the son has the express image of the Father, would you not think that God the Father like Jesus is an exalted immortal man and that we all can become resurrected exalted immortal men and women after our resurrection? We are the children of our Father in Heaven! We were created in his very image and likeness! Jesus is a resurrected exalted man who is the express image of his Father! God the Father is an immortal man with a body of flesh and bones just as Jesus is! If having an immortal resurrected body of flesh and bones does not inhibit Jesus from still being part of the godhead, then why would it inhibit the Father from being God who made us all in his very image and likeness? How could Jesus sit down at the right hand of God if God does not have a right hand?

 

[onefour1]

Another name of God the Father is "the Man of Holiness". And Jesus is the Son of the Man of Holiness!

Moses 6:57
57. Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.

Moses 7:35
35. Behold, I am God; Man of Holiness is my name; Man of Counsel is my name; and Endless and Eternal is my name, also.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus is indeed in his earthly body. And we are going to weep bitter tears when we see what He went through to redeem us. He is so horribly scared that people that knew Him didn't recognize Him when he came back.
He is 33 and 1/3 years old. And His hair is white, because of His proximity to our Father. God's Shekinah Glory turns men's hair white if your around Him for a while. Just like Moses...

We are made in His likeness. If God cared enough to make the angels eternal, why wouldn't he make us like Himself and the angels? We are His children, after all.
We are on a linear timeframe. God's on eternal time. In God's world, if a dove took a piece of cloth and went back and forth on a mountain top until the top was worn away to sea level, not one second of eternal time has gone by.
Why would God, who wanted and loves His children only be able to commune with them for less than a millisecond of His time, and then we're dead and buried?

The meaning of life is that God wanted children. It's why we are here. And here is merely basic training for all the rest...

 

[ding]

You have no attacks that I haven't seen in my 49 years being a member of the Church. You people think you are so smart when you are so slow and dumb about this. It's funny to see the same crap be regurgitated over and over. Funny.

So it's not news to you that the founder of your religion was a con man.

 

[DennisPTate]

What does the Lord mean when he says, "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One (Father)? Most sites on the subject will say he's the Son of Man because he was born huMAN and over came death to be Lord God. But, I'm wondering if this is really the case and pose this. What if there is a word missing? So-called Christians would not understand. But, LDS should. What if it should be Son of the Glorified Man. Father in Heaven is a Glorified man. "As man is now God once was. As God is now man may become." Any thoughts on this?

Interesting theory!

Rumour has it that former Covering Cherub Helel got really, really, really, really jealous of Adam and Eve.....
because they looked so much like their Creator......
as well as like Satan's Creator????!

 

[Cougarbear]

Interesting theory!

Rumour has it that former Covering Cherub Helel got really, really, really, really jealous of Adam and Eve.....
because they looked so much like their Creator......
as well as like Satan's Creator????!

Satan is a spirit child of Father in Heaven

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

In Genesis we read:


Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Who are the "our" in the verse above? Is it not God the Father and Jesus Christ? If mankind were made after the image and likeness of God doesn't that show you what God's image and likeness are? Apparently God the Father and Jesus have the same image and likeness and so do all of mankind. After Jesus died and was resurrected, he ascended to heaven with his immortal resurrected body. But did Jesus' image and likeness change from what the Father's image and likeness was? NO! In Hebrews we read:

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Here we read that Jesus the very express image of his Father in Heaven. After ascending to heaven he sit down on the right hand of the Father. So Jesus looks exactly like his father and is the express image of him. Jesus, being resurrected with his body of flesh and bones (see Luke 24) is an exalted eternal man. IF the Father has the express image of the son just as the son has the express image of the Father, would you not think that God the Father like Jesus is an exalted immortal man and that we all can become resurrected exalted immortal men and women after our resurrection? We are the children of our Father in Heaven! We were created in his very image and likeness! Jesus is a resurrected exalted man who is the express image of his Father! God the Father is an immortal man with a body of flesh and bones just as Jesus is! If having an immortal resurrected body of flesh and bones does not inhibit Jesus from still being part of the godhead, then why would it inhibit the Father from being God who made us all in his very image and likeness? How could Jesus sit down at the right hand of God if God does not have a right hand?

Maybe it's referring to the Engineers from Prometheus.

 

[DennisPTate]

Satan is a spirit child of Father in Heaven

Exactly and he probably had at least two sets of wings....
if not three....
and he noticed immediately that he did NOT look
exactly like The Ancient of Days the Father....
or like The Word - The Logos - The Spirit of Moshiach, [Stored in Gan Eden], Who fully went into Messiah Yeshua - Jesus later on......
and YHWH THE MOTHER could very well be the Divine Feminine or "Wisdom" .... and Eve of course would look just like Her.....
and voila.... Former Covering Cherub Helel get jealous and the process of his fall begins....

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’
18“All the kings of the nations,
All of them, sleep in glory,
Everyone in his own house;
19But you are cast out of your grave
Like an abominable branch,
Like the garment of those who are slain,
Thrust through with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit,
Like a corpse trodden underfoot.
20You will not be joined with them in burial,
Because you have destroyed your land
And slain your people.
The brood of evildoers shall never be named.
21Prepare slaughter for his children
Because of the iniquity of their fathers,
Lest they rise up and possess the land,
And fill the face of the world with cities.”

Isaiah 14 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

Mercy on JacobFor the Lord #Ps. 102:13; Is. 49:13, 15; 54:7, 8will have mercy on Jacob, and #Is. 41:8, 9; Zech. 1:17; 2:12will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land. #Is. 60:4, 5, 10

www.bible.com

A near death experiencer was shown that Former Covering Cherub Helel ATE of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil..... and that is why he fell....

Only YHWH and The Word..... and "Wisdom" can eat of that tree and not fall into evil.....

Oh... you Latter day Saints have an edge over everybody else.... and you can handle what was shown to Robert Marshall... but most Christian Theologians would not be able to handle this......

This man has written books that could be compared with C. S. Lewis but he had very little background so...... it seems that what he reports is the simplest explanation for his books and his testimonies already about his experience.....

44 Hours in Heaven audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

44 Hours In Heaven Audio Book

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

 

[SaxonJackson]

I don't believe God makes mistakes. And one of the reasons there are thousands of Christian denominations is because folks will take a single verse from the Bible and create a new religion based on a false assumption of what that verse "MAY" be saying.

The safe bet is to use the Bible to interpret the Bible. In other words, let the Bible speak for itself. Reference and cross reference.

In the following verse, Christ asks a question:

Matthew 16:13, "When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

Peter and the Bible offer the answer:

Matthew 16:14-17, "And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

 

[SaxonJackson]

Satan is a spirit child of Father in Heaven

Satan is not a "spirit child." Satan is a fallen angel. An archangel.

 

[DennisPTate]

I don't believe God makes mistakes. And one of the reasons there are thousands of Christian denominations is because folks will take a single verse from the Bible and create a new religion based on a false assumption of what that verse "MAY" be saying.

The safe bet is to use the Bible to interpret the Bible. In other words, let the Bible speak for itself. Reference and cross reference.

In the following verse, Christ asks a question:

Matthew 16:13, "When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

Peter and the Bible offer the answer:

Matthew 16:14-17, "And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

A near death experiencer with shockingly little background in all of this has written a brilliant explanation for this......
based on what Jesus told him during forty three hours and twenty eight minutes with Jesus......

My Walk With Jesus audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

You might want to hear the background to his account first though.....

44 Hours in Heaven audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

44 Hours In Heaven Audio Book

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

 

[DennisPTate]

Satan is not a "spirit child." Satan is a fallen angel. An archangel.

That is a good point.....
the word "child" carries a lot of weight....

Again we are back to hidden meaning in the story of "Pinnochio"....

 

[Cougarbear]

Exactly and he probably had at least two sets of wings....
if not three....
and he noticed immediately that he did NOT look
exactly like The Ancient of Days the Father....
or like The Word - The Logos - The Spirit of Moshiach, [Stored in Gan Eden], Who fully went into Messiah Yeshua - Jesus later on......
and YHWH THE MOTHER could very well be the Divine Feminine or "Wisdom" .... and Eve of course would look just like Her.....
and voila.... Former Covering Cherub Helel get jealous and the process of his fall begins....



A near death experiencer was shown that Former Covering Cherub Helel ATE of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil..... and that is why he fell....

Only YHWH and The Word..... and "Wisdom" can eat of that tree and not fall into evil.....

Oh... you Latter day Saints have an edge over everybody else.... and you can handle what was shown to Robert Marshall... but most Christian Theologians would not be able to handle this......

This man has written books that could be compared with C. S. Lewis but he had very little background so...... it seems that what he reports is the simplest explanation for his books and his testimonies already about his experience.....

44 Hours in Heaven audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

44 Hours In Heaven Audio Book

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

Satan looks like Father in Heaven but only with a spirit body. Not a glorified man like Father or Jesus now. No wings unless he wants to fool you and deceive you.

 

[Cougarbear]

Satan is not a "spirit child." Satan is a fallen angel. An archangel.

Angels are simply spirit children of Heavenly Father unless they came to earth, died and have been resurrected since Jesus was resurrected. The Arch Angel is like the vice president. Heavenly Father is the chairman of the board, Jesus the President and Michael the vice president arch Angel.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Angels are simply spirit children of Heavenly Father unless they came to earth, died and have been resurrected since Jesus was resurrected. The Arch Angel is like the vice president. Heavenly Father is the chairman of the board, Jesus the President and Michael the vice president arch Angel.

Angels have physical bodies -- if you believe in the Bible. If you reject the Bible then any further conversation will be fruitless. I base that conclusion on many years of experience.

 

[SaxonJackson]

He was Lord before He came here. Him being the Son of Man was Him fulfilling Jewish Law. If a Jewish man lost his fortune, a relative could redeem it for him. The relative is called a Kinsman Redeemer.
Christ fulfilled that Law by becoming a relative of Adam with the capability of returning dominion over the earth back to man and out of Satan's grasp.
And when the Age of the Gentile comes to a close, Christ is going to return to take control of the earth he shed His blood to salvage...

I believe the law (at least the Commandments written in stone) were given to Moses who was a Levite. He wasn't of the tribe of Judah to calling him a "Jew" is erroneous. He was a Levite. But I think I understand what you're getting at, in general.

 

[onefour1]

God the Father is the father of our spirits:

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Our spirits are the literal offspring of God the Father:

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Job 38:3-7
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

We are all God's children in that we are the spirit offspring of the Father.