Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[irosie91]

I am sorry that has hppened to you. Some Christians are very stupid.

children who fart out "YOU KILLED JESUS" ---are
not "STUPID" -----they are TAUGHT. People who
CLAIM "I love passion plays and never notice
JEWS mentioned" -----are gross LIARS

 

[irosie91]

It is not about you. You and your fellow Jews did not have Jesus crucified. You are not subject to the Mosaic Law. You never even saw the temple (or are you 2000 years old?). That culture is gone, and you were not a part of it.

Sorry.

Surada agrees with the above MORONIC POST.
"Seeing" the Temple has NEVER been an issue ---
in the practice of Judaism and the CULTURE
thereof

 

[norwegen]

thanks for the utterly MORONIC opinion, NORWIG.

You're welcome, i'mNosey. Now can you actually refute my post, or is your habit to post these rambling little tangents?

 

[irosie91]

Did he persecute Christians in Judea or anywhere else outside the Imperial City?

We have ideas about why he persecuted Christians in Rome, but where else did he persecute Christians? And why would he have? Just for fun, perhaps?

And again, who said he was Jewish?

I think you and your new friend Lisa have trouble comprehending the intentions and meanings of other peoples' posts. You have trouble following along when you inject into peoples' posts what you want to inject into them.

Yes for FUN-----like the people who ran the INQUISITION persecuted jews in those celebrations
called AUTO DE FE. Those lion lunches were
ENTERTAINMENTS. I KNOW that you are demented.

 

[surada]

children who fart out "YOU KILLED JESUS" ---are
not "STUPID" -----they are TAUGHT. People who
CLAIM "I love passion plays and never notice
JEWS mentioned" -----are gross LIARS

Actually they NEVER mentioned Jews.

 

[irosie91]

Actually they NEVER mentioned Jews.

fascinating----how did they get around it?----
dressed the wicked innkeeper up to look like
a chassid from Brooklyn?

 

[surada]

fascinating----how did they get around it?----
dressed the wicked innkeeper up to look like
a chassid from Brooklyn?

The ones I participated in in Charleston and Arabia were about the Nativity.

 

[irosie91]

The ones I participated in in Charleston and Arabia were about the Nativity.

oh----in the Passion plays I saw as a child in school--
done by the local catholic school, the landlord who
WICKEDLY said "NO ROOM IN THE INN" was
always presented dressed a STEREOTYPE JEW

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes for FUN-----like the people who ran the INQUISITION persecuted jews in those celebrations
called AUTO DE FE. Those lion lunches were
ENTERTAINMENTS. I KNOW that you are demented.

surly the same during the mexican inquisition by eliminating all three jews that happened to live there being its focal point ... as in europe, the persecution of jews being singularly steadfast in their minds and never truly innocent itinerants happening to wander to close to either of them -

the jews or christians whichever having fun at one time or another throughout history.

 

[irosie91]

surly the same during the mexican inquisition by eliminating all three jews that happened to live there being its focal point ... as in europe, the persecution of jews being singularly steadfast in their minds and never truly innocent itinerants happening to wander to close to either of them -

the jews or christians whichever having fun at one time or another throughout history.

The focal point of the Inquisition involved three
Jews living in Mexico? Another gem from your
Sunday school days? No jelly bean for you

 

[BreezeWood]

The focal point of the Inquisition involved three
Jews living in Mexico? Another gem from your
Sunday school days? No jelly bean for you

well, to include all of south america and a few outliers the count of persecuted jews does rise to ~ 18 ... and surly was the fundamental underpinning for the multi century events their persecution should be remembered over all others ...

and sure those galls teaching the christian bible truly are repentant for those that go to daddy and together crucify whoever speak otherwise than psychopathic dirt farmers and shepherds still waiting for their salvation going on over 4000 years and counting.

 

[irosie91]

well, to include all of south america and a few outliers the count of persecuted jews does rise to ~ 18 ... and surly was the fundamental underpinning for the multi century events their persecution should be remembered over all others ...

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and sure those galls teaching the christian bible truly are repentant for those that go to daddy and together crucify whoever speak otherwise than psychopathic dirt farmers and shepherds still waiting for their salvation going on over 4000 years and counting.

can you render that ^^^^ into English? (or if you
prefer to hebrew----I have an inhouse translator)
Are those creatures dressed up as PENGUINS--the
GALLS? the only GALL I know about is the little
sac under the liver ---AND GALLNUTS which, interestingly, have been used to make ink for
thousands of years.
It is news to me that the INQUISITION was
restricted to South America----I have relatives whose families fled Spain WAY BACK, 500
years ago to escape the filth you trivialize

 

[BreezeWood]

can you render that ^^^^ into English? (or if you
prefer to hebrew----I have an inhouse translator)
Are those creatures dressed up as PENGUINS--the
GALLS? the only GALL I know about is the little
sac under the liver ---AND GALLNUTS which, interestingly, have been used to make ink for
thousands of years.
It is news to me that the INQUISITION was
restricted to South America----I have relatives whose families fled Spain WAY BACK, 500
years ago to escape the filth you trivialize

... to escape the filth you trivialize

no, that is the jews that set the stage for persecution and victimization of the innocent by their crucifixion of the 1st century itinerant they refuse to accept responsibility for and the gov'ts that fail to bring them and those others involved to justice from then to this day - irosie91.

pity them for they know without remorse to device themselves their true calling than that of the heavens. disguised for all those and their similar scriptures - the desert religions.

 

[surada]

no, that is the jews that set the stage for persecution and victimization of the innocent by their crucifixion of the 1st century itinerant they refuse to accept responsibility for and the gov'ts that fail to bring them and those others involved to justice from then to this day - irosie91.

pity them for they know without remorse to device themselves their true calling than that of the heavens. disguised for all those and their similar scriptures - the desert religions.

Its somewhat confusing to me.. The Jews expected an anointed warrior king who would vanquish their enemies... a mortal who would not intercede between them and God.

Jesus didn't fit their prophecies.

So when their messiah does come which enemies is he going to vanquish?

 

[irosie91]

no, that is the jews that set the stage for persecution and victimization of the innocent by their crucifixion of the 1st century itinerant they refuse to accept responsibility for and the gov'ts that fail to bring them and those others involved to justice from then to this day - irosie91.

pity them for they know without remorse to device themselves their true calling than that of the heavens. disguised for all those and their similar scriptures - the desert religions.

do you do stand-up at the Mason lodge?

 

[MaryL]

My confession

My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.

I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.

The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.

That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”

under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.

The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.

In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

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Sanhedrin Court
Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.

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Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia

In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
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In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.

At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]

Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis) If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'

Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'

Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia

Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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Lets not forget, Jesus was Jewish. And he DID violate Jewish canon. If any of this even happened.

 

[Stann]

Lets not forget, Jesus was Jewish. And he DID violate Jewish canon. If any of this even happened.

Wake up, there's no blame. It was all part of the plan. Your Jesus wouldn't be God it wasn't crucified and resurrected. Yes it was all part of the plan. Doesn't matter who did what. That's the storyline.

 

[irosie91]

Lets not forget, Jesus was Jewish. And he DID violate Jewish canon. If any of this even happened.

He did? He committed a CAPITAL CRIME?
what he do?

 

[Stann]

He did? He committed a CAPITAL CRIME?
what he do?

The Sanhedrin found him guilty of violating the Sabbath law ( by healing on the Sabbath ), threatening to destroy the Jewish temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by using the power of demons and claiming to be the Messiah. Jesus said nothing on his behalf.

 

[irosie91]

The Sanhedrin found him guilty of violating the Sabbath law ( by healing on the Sabbath ), threatening to destroy the Jewish temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by using the power of demons and claiming to be the Messiah. Jesus said nothing on his behalf

no such trial ever took place----no jelly bean
for you