"Make the Rich Panic"

[BluesLegend]

Bullshit! Democrats running the city since the 60's did that!

Jim Crow banks did it.
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Lying fuck. Democrats did it. Baltimore and Detroit were all Democrat Model Cities starting in the late 60's. You fuckers destroyed every model city you touched

OH SNAP!! You nailed it!

 

[Missourian]

I live in Ohio. Close to Dayton. Which used to have a great many manufacturing jobs. Particularly in the automotive field. Of course with GM here in a big way, that opened up the opportunities for machine shops and foundries and all sorts of other manufacturing jobs that supported the auto industry. We also had NCR and Dayton Tire and Rubber and a huge printing industry.

ALL of those jobs are gone. There is no more GM presence in Dayton. Where DELCO was started. The machine tool industry is a shell of its former self etc etc,.

The mayors of Dayton did what they could. Which was mostly tax breaks. The UAW accepted a two tier wage arrangement to keep building S10 trucks here. Didn't work.

So what do you think Mayors of rust belt cities could have/should have done to keep those jobs in their cities?

Just finished hauling beams for this project last year...

KANSAS CITY, Mo. —Officials say Ford Motor Co. will create an additional 900 jobs in Missouri to build the next-generation F-150 pickup.

The announcement comes during a period of strong sales for the automotive industry in general, especially Ford's best-selling truck model.

Ford said it is changing the F-150's body to an aluminum alloy and will add a third shift to the Claycomo assembly plant.

"This is way beyond what we had hoped in terms of investment and employees," said Clay County Commissioner Jerry Nolte.

He sponsored the Missouri bill offering Ford tax breaks if the company would remodel and expand the Claycomo plant. Ford has now invested $1 billion in the complex, adding the Ford Transit cargo truck.

Ford to add 900 jobs at KC assembly plant Local News - KMBC Home
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Blue Dog Democratic Governor Jay Nixon also had a big hand in this expansion...the guy isn't perfect, but he's conservative enough that I voted for him.

How many of you political hacks voted across party lines US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So are you saying communist regimes are better?

As usual you're a dishonest fuck, but that's redundant. Shanghai does free enterprise better than progressive model cities

 

[bripat9643]

Coming from George Soros's minion, that's hysterically ironic

Do you have any proof I support Soros or any other billionaire?

Have you ever criticized Soros?

Do you support the influence billionaires exert on US politics?

That depends on the billionaire.

 

[westwall]

Chris Hedges's latest column at Truthdig argues that "(i)f you want change you can believe in, destroy the system", and he draws on examples from stories he has personally observed over a two decade long career in over fifty countries:

"When I was a foreign correspondent I covered revolts, insurgencies and revolutions, including the guerrilla conflicts in the 1980s in Central America; the civil wars in Algeria, Sudan and Yemen; and the two Palestinian uprisings or intifadas, along with the revolutions in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Romania and the war in the former Yugoslavia. I have seen that despotic regimes collapse internally."

Chris is also clear about how little US presidential elections matter to those who market ALL the candidates, including Bernie and Lizzy:

"It does not matter to the corporate rich who wins the presidential election. It does not matter who is elected to Congress. The rich have the power. They throw money at their favorites the way a gambler puts cash on his favorite horse.

"Money has replaced the vote.

"The wealthy can crush anyone who does not play by their rules. And the political elites—slobbering over the spoils provided by their corporate masters for selling us out—understand the game. Barack and Michelle Obama, as did the Clintons, will acquire many millions of dollars once they leave the White House."

Chris Hedges Make the Rich Panic - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

The problem is if you make the rich "panic" they tend to lash out and kill lots of people. Far better to educate people so they are able to compete and get better jobs. You guys just want to tear everything down so that everyone except the ruling elite (there always is one isn't there) is living in equal misery.

One day you might learn but I doubt it. After over 100 million murdered in pursuit of your utopia a smart person would have figured out that it doesn't work. But that would take smarts.

If I was to tell you that it is better for a government to fear its people than the people to fear their government you would probably agree. We live in a plutocracy so why shouldn't the plutocrats fear the serfs? Fuckers need to have the fear that they might go too far and find their necks in a noose.

I agree that the government needs to fear us. But the rich own the government now. That's the problem. If you panic them they set loose the dogs. Far better for the retaking to be slow and steady. Elect people who are NOT part of the ruling elite. Get rid of the Bushes and the Clintons and the rest of the Ivy League crowd.

They don't care about the poor or the middle class. They only care about themselves.

I do not feel it is possible to work entirely within the system they rigged long ago. What they fear is torches and pitchforks, not populist politicians who are remarkably easy to defeat with smear campaigns and labels like "socialist", "anti-business", "leftist" etc.

We can work in the system. It's just hard. But I would rather do that and keep the number of innocent people being slaughtered to a minimum, than the other way.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Kill the kulaks....why does that sound so familiar

Chris Hedges Make the Rich Panic - Chris Hedges -Truthdig
"The fundamental law of revolution, which has been confirmed by all revolutions, and particularly by all three Russian revolutions in the twentieth century, is as follows: it is not enough for revolution that the exploited and oppressed masses should understand the impossibility of living in the old way and demand changes, what is required for revolution is that the exploiters should not be able to live and rule in the old way. Only when the“lower classes” do not want the old way, and when the “upper classes”cannot carry on in the old way—only then can revolution win."

I have to disagree, successful revolutions are lead by the Middle Class, and the Middle Class will tolerate the status quo unless and until their expectation of things getting better don't, at that point they say (in the words of Camus, The Rebel), "NO".

The American Revolution was led by the wealthy, so your claim is obviously false.

I guess it was, there was no Middle Class, per se, and Washington was a very wealthy man. We think mostly of farmers when we imagine what the late 18th century was like, and what jobs were held by the minutemen. I imagine the commissioned officers all came from wealthy families, for unlike the British, we had no standing army.

However,

"Just prior to the American Revolutionary War, on October 26, 1774, the Massachusetts Provincial Congress, observing the British military buildup, deemed their militia resources to be insufficient: the troop strength, "...including the sick and absent, amounted to about seventeen thousand men . . . this was far short of the number wanted, that the council recommended an immediate application to the New England governments to make up the deficiency...":[7]

"...they recommended to the militia to form themselves into companies of minute-men, who should be equipped and prepared to march at the shortest notice. These minute-men were to consist of one quarter of the whole militia, to be enlisted under the direction of the field-officers, and divide into companies, consisting of at least fifty men each. The privates were to choose their captains and subalterns, and these officers were to form the companies into battalions, and chose the field-officers to command the same. Hence the minute-men became a body distinct from the rest of the militia, and, by being more devoted to military exercises, they acquired skill in the use of arms. More attention than formerly was likewise bestowed on the training and drilling of militia."[7]

Militia United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, we live in a plutocracy, been that way so long that most think that's how it's supposed to be. Our virtual aristocracy, untouchable by the law, feel pretty safe at this point after we didn't drag the bankers out in the streets for a tar and feather party in 2008.

When are you pansy little fucks going to do this? So far you just sit in moms basement, smoke dope, and post shit on the interwebz.

 

[georgephillip]

I don't disagree with you that their system is better than ours. You can see what you get when the feds run our education system. An aside, perhaps if our students stayed at recess for 6 hours a day rather than being in a classroom learning the garbage that they're taught right now, they would more than likely be 100 time smarter.

No Child Left Behind?

 

[Missourian]

Again Don't want to admit the truth? Taxes and Union influence didn't send them away?

Tired of this

You liberals all ways say it is consumers, well then you dumb mother fuckers are the ones who sent the jobs away, you didn't want to pay $50 fucking dollars for a American made pair of Blue jeans, you wanted to pay $10 bucks, so the companies gave you what you wanted and sent the jobs overseas. FUCK YOU blaming cooperate greed

The ONLY GREED IS THE AMERICAN CONSUMER.

They gave you what you wanted and it cost a bunch of you your jobs DUMB FUCKS

This is the truth right here. Folks want to stretch their dollar as far as it will go. And, they vote with their wallets.

U.S. manufacturers can't compete with overseas manufactures. It was either move operations overseas, or go extinct.

Did you know that we export chicken for processing in China to be re-imported and sold in the U.S.?

That means it is cheaper to truck the chickens to the ports, ship chickens both ways, and then truck them back for distribution than to process them hear in the U.S.

Think about that.

There are only three options.

Reduce the living standard in America.

Increase import tariffs.

Continue to lose jobs to overseas operations.

Keep in mind, Obama, supposed friend to the working class, is pushing ANOTHER super secret free trade agreement with Oceania...and liberals are defending in at every turn.

Top story on drudge:

If you want to hear the details of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal the Obama administration is hoping to pass, you’ve got to be a member of Congress, and you’ve got to go to classified briefings and leave your staff and cellphone at the door.

If you’re a member who wants to read the text, you’ve got to go to a room in the basement of the Capitol Visitor Center and be handed it one section at a time, watched over as you read, and forced to hand over any notes you make before leaving.


Read more: Extreme secrecy eroding support for Obama s trade pact - Edward-Isaac Dovere - POLITICO​

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here's another photo of Shanghai:

Those masked people must be anarchists on their way to a protest.

Oh, wait...

Yes. Much better off living in a progressive model city with no running water, no police and dodging bullets.

No comparison

 

[occupied]

Chris Hedges's latest column at Truthdig argues that "(i)f you want change you can believe in, destroy the system", and he draws on examples from stories he has personally observed over a two decade long career in over fifty countries:

"When I was a foreign correspondent I covered revolts, insurgencies and revolutions, including the guerrilla conflicts in the 1980s in Central America; the civil wars in Algeria, Sudan and Yemen; and the two Palestinian uprisings or intifadas, along with the revolutions in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Romania and the war in the former Yugoslavia. I have seen that despotic regimes collapse internally."

Chris is also clear about how little US presidential elections matter to those who market ALL the candidates, including Bernie and Lizzy:

"It does not matter to the corporate rich who wins the presidential election. It does not matter who is elected to Congress. The rich have the power. They throw money at their favorites the way a gambler puts cash on his favorite horse.

"Money has replaced the vote.

"The wealthy can crush anyone who does not play by their rules. And the political elites—slobbering over the spoils provided by their corporate masters for selling us out—understand the game. Barack and Michelle Obama, as did the Clintons, will acquire many millions of dollars once they leave the White House."

Chris Hedges Make the Rich Panic - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

The problem is if you make the rich "panic" they tend to lash out and kill lots of people. Far better to educate people so they are able to compete and get better jobs. You guys just want to tear everything down so that everyone except the ruling elite (there always is one isn't there) is living in equal misery.

One day you might learn but I doubt it. After over 100 million murdered in pursuit of your utopia a smart person would have figured out that it doesn't work. But that would take smarts.

If I was to tell you that it is better for a government to fear its people than the people to fear their government you would probably agree. We live in a plutocracy so why shouldn't the plutocrats fear the serfs? Fuckers need to have the fear that they might go too far and find their necks in a noose.

I agree that the government needs to fear us. But the rich own the government now. That's the problem. If you panic them they set loose the dogs. Far better for the retaking to be slow and steady. Elect people who are NOT part of the ruling elite. Get rid of the Bushes and the Clintons and the rest of the Ivy League crowd.

They don't care about the poor or the middle class. They only care about themselves.

I do not feel it is possible to work entirely within the system they rigged long ago. What they fear is torches and pitchforks, not populist politicians who are remarkably easy to defeat with smear campaigns and labels like "socialist", "anti-business", "leftist" etc.

We can work in the system. It's just hard. But I would rather do that and keep the number of innocent people people slaughtered to a minimum than the other way.

Do the rich play by the rules and worry about lives? Shit no, everything is set up so that it will cost lives to wrest control from their greedy claws, that is how it has always been in any plutocracy. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky and actually come to some kind of mutual understanding, America has done many other unlikely things,

 

[initforme]

The real truth is the system is set up so people have a very difficult time moving up the economic ladder no matter how hard they are willing to work. If you are middle class, you aren't going to move ahead. If you are poor, you aren't going to magically work yourself out of being poor. Its been this way since the early 80's and it will never change. What scares the rich is that they all have the right to vote. Now we see voter ID laws coming in.... this will help limit the vote. Very smart and efficient plan.

 

[occupied]

The real truth is the system is set up so people have a very difficult time moving up the economic ladder no matter how hard they are willing to work. If you are middle class, you aren't going to move ahead. If you are poor, you aren't going to magically work yourself out of being poor. Its been this way since the early 80's and it will never change. What scares the rich is that they all have the right to vote. Now we see voter ID laws coming in.... this will help limit the vote. Very smart and efficient plan.

Their most effective way to kill the power of the vote? Tell the truth that if voting made any real difference they would just ban it.

 

[georgephillip]

Banks have never engaged in so-called "redlining."

Why would you say that?
Articles about Redlining - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

 

[initforme]

I suppose if everyone just said we'll gladly live on low wages and agree to never try to get ahead then perhaps the jobs will come back right? If everyone agreed to work in the factory for $10-15 dollars per hour with no future for decent benefits or a raise then perhaps the jobs come back. Of course one cannot live on $15 per hour. Not possible to feed a family on that.

 

[Stephanie]

The real truth is the system is set up so people have a very difficult time moving up the economic ladder no matter how hard they are willing to work. If you are middle class, you aren't going to move ahead. If you are poor, you aren't going to magically work yourself out of being poor. Its been this way since the early 80's and it will never change. What scares the rich is that they all have the right to vote. Now we see voter ID laws coming in.... this will help limit the vote. Very smart and efficient plan.

BS, I grew up dirt poor. I moved myself up to being, comfortable. sometimes working two jobs seven days a week. I guess that saying few out the window in this day and age: where there's a will, there's a way. no wonder people feel they are entitled to crawl on the backs of others, with food stamps, welfare, etc

disgusting

 

[georgephillip]

Why didn't it destroy Houston or Dallas or Miami?

Give it time.

 

[georgephillip]

Bottom line: The savages in Baltimore chose to engage in violence. No one but them is to blame.

"...let's look at a hypothetical case of two babies born on the same day this year in Baltimore. One is born in Roland Park, a wealthy neighborhood in the north of the city. The other is born just three miles away in Downtown/Seton Hill, one of the city's poorest neighborhoods.

"The Roland Park baby will most likely live to the age of 84, well above the U.S. average of 79. The Seton Hill baby, on the other hand, can expect to die 19 years earlier at the age of 65. That's 14 years below the U.S. average. The average child born this year in Seton Hill will be dead before she can even begin to collect Social Security."

15 Baltimore neighborhoods have lower life expectancies than North Korea - The Washington Post

 

[westwall]

The problem is if you make the rich "panic" they tend to lash out and kill lots of people. Far better to educate people so they are able to compete and get better jobs. You guys just want to tear everything down so that everyone except the ruling elite (there always is one isn't there) is living in equal misery.

One day you might learn but I doubt it. After over 100 million murdered in pursuit of your utopia a smart person would have figured out that it doesn't work. But that would take smarts.

If I was to tell you that it is better for a government to fear its people than the people to fear their government you would probably agree. We live in a plutocracy so why shouldn't the plutocrats fear the serfs? Fuckers need to have the fear that they might go too far and find their necks in a noose.

I agree that the government needs to fear us. But the rich own the government now. That's the problem. If you panic them they set loose the dogs. Far better for the retaking to be slow and steady. Elect people who are NOT part of the ruling elite. Get rid of the Bushes and the Clintons and the rest of the Ivy League crowd.

They don't care about the poor or the middle class. They only care about themselves.

I do not feel it is possible to work entirely within the system they rigged long ago. What they fear is torches and pitchforks, not populist politicians who are remarkably easy to defeat with smear campaigns and labels like "socialist", "anti-business", "leftist" etc.

We can work in the system. It's just hard. But I would rather do that and keep the number of innocent people people slaughtered to a minimum than the other way.

Do the rich play by the rules and worry about lives? Shit no, everything is set up so that it will cost lives to wrest control from their greedy claws, that is how it has always been in any plutocracy. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky and actually come to some kind of mutual understanding, America has done many other unlikely things,

Sure they do. They write the laws to suit them. That's why it's hard to work in their system. But it isn't impossible. The alternative leads to mass murder and a ruling elite that will have no problem continuing to murder those they fear or don't like. Read some history...that's the way these sorts of revolutions ALWAYS turn out.

 

[westwall]

Bottom line: The savages in Baltimore chose to engage in violence. No one but them is to blame.

"...let's look at a hypothetical case of two babies born on the same day this year in Baltimore. One is born in Roland Park, a wealthy neighborhood in the north of the city. The other is born just three miles away in Downtown/Seton Hill, one of the city's poorest neighborhoods.

"The Roland Park baby will most likely live to the age of 84, well above the U.S. average of 79. The Seton Hill baby, on the other hand, can expect to die 19 years earlier at the age of 65. That's 14 years below the U.S. average. The average child born this year in Seton Hill will be dead before she can even begin to collect Social Security."

15 Baltimore neighborhoods have lower life expectancies than North Korea - The Washington Post

Yes, the baby born in the poor section of town is going to grow up as a welfare child eating shitty food and not learning anything to improve their lot in life. No surprise there. I was born poor and looked around and said to myself, I don't want to live this way. So I got an education and worked hard.

ANYBODY can do it. Most choose not too and whine about the fact that life ain't fair. Get used to it.