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A new Supreme Court case is the biggest threat to US democracy since January 6​

The Supreme Court’s announcement on Thursday that it will hear Moore v. Harper, a case that could concentrate an unprecedented amount of power in gerrymandered state legislatures, should alarm anyone who cares about democracy.

The case is perhaps the gravest threat to American democracy since the January 6 attack. It seeks to reinstate gerrymandered congressional maps that were struck down by North Carolina’s highest court because they “subordinated traditional neutral redistricting criteria in favor of extreme partisan advantage” for the Republican Party.

The plaintiffs argue that the state supreme court didn’t have the authority to strike down these maps, and rest their claim on legal arguments that would fundamentally alter how congressional and presidential elections are conducted.

Moore involves the “independent state legislature doctrine,” a theory that the Supreme Court has rejected many times over the course of more than a century — but that started to gain steam after Republican appointees gained a supermajority on the Supreme Court at the end of the Trump administration.


Given the Court's propensity for making ideological rather than legally based rulings, this one seems like a foregone conclusion. It will empower Repubs to structure districts to ensure they remain in power even when they receive a minority of votes.

Today, we answer this question: does our state constitution recognize that the people of this state have the power to choose those who govern us, by giving each of us an equally powerful voice through our vote? Or does our constitution give to members of the General Assembly, as they argue here, unlimited power to draw electoral maps that keep themselves and our members of Congress in office as long as they want, regardless of the will of the people, by making some votes more powerful than others? We hold that our constitution’s Declaration of Rights guarantees the equal power of each person’s voice in our government through voting in elections that matter.

It is naked power grabs like this that cause me to encourage Dems to fight fire with fire. Manchin's naivete comes to mind. Holding to the silly notion there are still Repubs of good will, willing to compromise for the greater good. If Trump's presidency and McConnell's duplicity in stealing two SC seats teaches us anything it's we have jettisoned the era of tradition, protocol, mutual respect, and precedent. Nowadays, it's all about obtaining power by any means available with no regard for the consequences. And boy, the Repubs are good at it.
 

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A new Supreme Court case is the biggest threat to US democracy since January 6​

The Supreme Court’s announcement on Thursday that it will hear Moore v. Harper, a case that could concentrate an unprecedented amount of power in gerrymandered state legislatures, should alarm anyone who cares about democracy.

The case is perhaps the gravest threat to American democracy since the January 6 attack. It seeks to reinstate gerrymandered congressional maps that were struck down by North Carolina’s highest court because they “subordinated traditional neutral redistricting criteria in favor of extreme partisan advantage” for the Republican Party.

The plaintiffs argue that the state supreme court didn’t have the authority to strike down these maps, and rest their claim on legal arguments that would fundamentally alter how congressional and presidential elections are conducted.

Moore involves the “independent state legislature doctrine,” a theory that the Supreme Court has rejected many times over the course of more than a century — but that started to gain steam after Republican appointees gained a supermajority on the Supreme Court at the end of the Trump administration.


Given the Court's propensity for making ideological rather than legally based rulings, this one seems like a foregone conclusion. It will empower Repubs to structure districts to ensure they remain in power even when they receive a minority of votes.

Today, we answer this question: does our state constitution recognize that the people of this state have the power to choose those who govern us, by giving each of us an equally powerful voice through our vote? Or does our constitution give to members of the General Assembly, as they argue here, unlimited power to draw electoral maps that keep themselves and our members of Congress in office as long as they want, regardless of the will of the people, by making some votes more powerful than others? We hold that our constitution’s Declaration of Rights guarantees the equal power of each person’s voice in our government through voting in elections that matter.

It is naked power grabs like this that cause me to encourage Dems to fight fire with fire. Manchin's naivete comes to mind. Holding to the silly notion there are still Repubs of good will, willing to compromise for the greater good. If Trump's presidency and McConnell's duplicity in stealing two SC seats teaches us anything it's we have jettisoned the era of tradition, protocol, mutual respect, and precedent. Nowadays, it's all about obtaining power by any means available with no regard for the consequences. And boy, the Repubs are good at it.
They learned from the best, after all.
 
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Gerrymandered maps submitted by Repubs in OH have repeatedly been rejected by the state's SC.


So the Repub leadership is just ignoring the rulings and putting the maps in place anyway.

 
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Apparently, I need to speak the depraved language of Repubs on the board to get folks to respond. So here goes.

You guys are fucktards.
 

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Apparently, I need to speak the depraved language of Repubs on the board to get folks to respond. So here goes.

You guys are fucktards.

Why even bother responding? You guys and girls are toast anyway.

The midterms and 2024 don't look too promising for you and anything we can do to make it worse for you, is on the table. I hate to say "You had it coming", but you had it coming.
 

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Apparently, I need to speak the depraved language of Repubs on the board to get folks to respond. So here goes.

You guys are fucktards.
Please don't.
Your message is being read but don't expect a rational reply from those who applaud the issue you raise.
There are still some ways of being effective without going with the spamming.

Your country is at risk of a fascist takeover of democracy.

That should make it worthwhile to you annd other Americans to keep your hand in.
 

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A new Supreme Court case is the biggest threat to US democracy since January 6​

The Supreme Court’s announcement on Thursday that it will hear Moore v. Harper, a case that could concentrate an unprecedented amount of power in gerrymandered state legislatures, should alarm anyone who cares about democracy.

The case is perhaps the gravest threat to American democracy since the January 6 attack. It seeks to reinstate gerrymandered congressional maps that were struck down by North Carolina’s highest court because they “subordinated traditional neutral redistricting criteria in favor of extreme partisan advantage” for the Republican Party.

The plaintiffs argue that the state supreme court didn’t have the authority to strike down these maps, and rest their claim on legal arguments that would fundamentally alter how congressional and presidential elections are conducted.

Moore involves the “independent state legislature doctrine,” a theory that the Supreme Court has rejected many times over the course of more than a century — but that started to gain steam after Republican appointees gained a supermajority on the Supreme Court at the end of the Trump administration.


Given the Court's propensity for making ideological rather than legally based rulings, this one seems like a foregone conclusion. It will empower Repubs to structure districts to ensure they remain in power even when they receive a minority of votes.

Today, we answer this question: does our state constitution recognize that the people of this state have the power to choose those who govern us, by giving each of us an equally powerful voice through our vote? Or does our constitution give to members of the General Assembly, as they argue here, unlimited power to draw electoral maps that keep themselves and our members of Congress in office as long as they want, regardless of the will of the people, by making some votes more powerful than others? We hold that our constitution’s Declaration of Rights guarantees the equal power of each person’s voice in our government through voting in elections that matter.

It is naked power grabs like this that cause me to encourage Dems to fight fire with fire. Manchin's naivete comes to mind. Holding to the silly notion there are still Repubs of good will, willing to compromise for the greater good. If Trump's presidency and McConnell's duplicity in stealing two SC seats teaches us anything it's we have jettisoned the era of tradition, protocol, mutual respect, and precedent. Nowadays, it's all about obtaining power by any means available with no regard for the consequences. And boy, the Repubs are good at it.
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Why even bother responding?
I suppose I wouldn't want to discuss Repub's disregard for democratic principles either if I were a Repub.
 

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Biggest threat to Democracy since January 6? So… Hardly even worthy of a yawn…
 

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Democrats invented "gerrymandering" and now that they are set to lose the majority they whine about it. The most notorious gerrymandered district in the U.S. was created by democrats. Chicago is the most notorious gerrymandered city and the 3rd Md. district created by democrats is a joke.
 
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Please don't.
Your message is being read but don't expect a rational reply from those who applaud the issue you raise.
There are still some ways of being effective without going with the spamming.

Your country is at risk of a fascist takeover of democracy.

That should make it worthwhile to you annd other Americans to keep your hand in.
I try not to stoop to their level of juvenile behavior. I think most of their vulgarity comes as a result of an inability to make cogent arguments. Instead of responding like this............I disagree and here is why...........they tend to go down the path of "libtard, commie, a**hole."
 

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We're whining about Republicans in this thread, but democrats don't want a real solution either because what they really want is to be able to draw the maps the way THEY want them drawn. Their current complaint is only a smoke screen over the truth.

It would be easy to solve the gerrymandering problem. Simply take district drawing out of the hands of humans and have software draw polygons of different sizes that represent same numbers of people. The whole thing could be done in a matter of minutes.
 
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Democrats invented "gerrymandering"
For the sake of discussion let's say that's true. What defense can you offer to continue a clearly anti-democratic practice Dems want to end?
 

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Have you claimed your left leaning victim role today?

That's what leftists do, "our democracy is under attack". :abgg2q.jpg:
 

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For the sake of discussion let's say that's true. What defense can you offer to continue a clearly anti-democratic practice Dems want to end?
If they truly want to end it, they will be willing to take the matter completely out of human hands. As it stands now, my firm belief is they merely want to take the advantage away from Republicans and give it to themselves.
 

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I suppose I wouldn't want to discuss Repub's disregard for democratic principles either if I were a Repub.

Sore, we can discuss that any time. But first let's discuss how your President and Congressional members continually ignore the rule of law and the US Constitution. We're not the ones in power right now, that would be you folks.
 

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Have you claimed your left leaning victim role today?

That's what leftists do, "our democracy is under attack". :abgg2q.jpg:
It's been under attack since trump got in office. I did vote for the guy then started seeing all the shit he was pulling during his four years. November 7th was a warning to beware of him and most republicans.
 

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We see that, since both sides of the duopoly do it, it's OK. You duopolists are a hoot!
 

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For the sake of discussion let's say that's true. What defense can you offer to continue a clearly anti-democratic practice Dems want to end?
Start with this:

How, exactly, is it allegedly 'undemocratic'?

Keep in mind, it is not undemocratic if the Democratic party cannot get its way.
 

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