The Constitution is not a grant of power for a king.

[struth]

The Constitution is not a grant of power for a king.

It is, instead, a grant of authority from the sovereign people to establish a republican form of government — a representative democracy of limited and enumerated powers. And the republican character of American constitutional government is expressed in the way it divides the executive, legislative and judicial powers among separate institutions.

“In the establishment of a free government,” a 19th-century Supreme Court justice, Joseph Story, observes in his “Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States,” this division “has by many been deemed a maxim of vital importance, that these powers should for ever be kept separate and distinct.” When those powers are mixed in a single individual, “such a form of government is denominated a despotism, as the whole sovereignty of the state is vested in him.”

It is not, as Story continues, that the “departments of government” should have “no common link of connection or dependence, the one upon the other, in the slightest degree.” Rather, it is that “the whole power of one of these departments should not be exercised by the same hands, which possess the whole power of either of the other departments; and that such exercise of the whole would subvert the principles of a free constitution.”

In our system, the executive branch cannot exercise the full power of the legislature. It cannot act as a monarch would. The sovereign people did not imbue their power into a leviathan. The upshot of this is that any interpretation of the Constitution that grants the president monarchical power is wrong. The structure of the Constitution precludes a royal prerogative and the ethos of American democracy forbids it. Otherwise, the revolution was for nothing.
Opinion | Trump Tries on His Crown

Bravo.

trump's SC has come as close as possible to making the prez above the law. An act that will undoubtedly come back to haunt the country. Forever tarnishing the legacy of an already tarnished Roberts court.

Yes the president isn’t a king, not sure why dembots think he is.

 

[daveman]

What fawking oppression?

Are you saying pre-revolutionary Americans weren't oppressed?

That's about on par from someone who wants to be a subject, not a citizen.

NO, the founders started a war because an overly powerful executive, the King, and an absolutely dysfunctional upper house. What the fawk do you think is happening now?

Elected representatives have ceded their power and duties to unelected bureaucrats.

Hope you didn't like that. It's about to change.

The founders started a war because the British army was all in their shit.

--"What fawking oppression?"

--"The founders started a war because the British army was all in their shit."

Pick one.

 

[Winston]

Are you saying pre-revolutionary Americans weren't oppressed?

That's about on par from someone who wants to be a subject, not a citizen.

Elected representatives have ceded their power and duties to unelected bureaucrats.

Hope you didn't like that. It's about to change.

--"What fawking oppression?"

--"The founders started a war because the British army was all in their shit."

Pick one.

Damn, just STFU, you are one stupid shit. Were colonial Americans repressed, damn skippy they were, But why, and how? Can you get a damn clue?

 

[daveman]

Damn, just STFU, you are one stupid shit. Were colonial Americans repressed, damn skippy they were, But why, and how? Can you get a damn clue?

Oh, hush. I'm not interested in your Crown apologia, nor in your inevitable but laughable comparison to Democrats and the Founders/Trump and the King.

 

[Winston]

Oh, hush. I'm not interested in your Crown apologia, nor in your inevitable but laughable comparison to Democrats and the Founders/Trump and the King.

Damn, you are like a flippin turkey, drown in a fucking rainstorm you are so stupid.

 

[BlackSand]

Damn, you are like a flippin turkey, drown in a fucking rainstorm you are so stupid.

.

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Turkey to be our National Bird ...
So just be thankful we aren't eating Bald Eagle for Thanksgiving ...

.​

 

[daveman]

Damn, you are like a flippin turkey, drown in a fucking rainstorm you are so stupid.

Oooh, you get bitchy when someone shuts down your "I'm just like the Founding Fathers!" bullshit.

 

[Billiejeens]

OK OP, enough is enough, bye.....I'm gonna have to stick you on the list with the other retards.

He's The Monarch of that list

 

[struth]

The Constitution is not a grant of power for a king.

It is, instead, a grant of authority from the sovereign people to establish a republican form of government — a representative democracy of limited and enumerated powers. And the republican character of American constitutional government is expressed in the way it divides the executive, legislative and judicial powers among separate institutions.

“In the establishment of a free government,” a 19th-century Supreme Court justice, Joseph Story, observes in his “Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States,” this division “has by many been deemed a maxim of vital importance, that these powers should for ever be kept separate and distinct.” When those powers are mixed in a single individual, “such a form of government is denominated a despotism, as the whole sovereignty of the state is vested in him.”

It is not, as Story continues, that the “departments of government” should have “no common link of connection or dependence, the one upon the other, in the slightest degree.” Rather, it is that “the whole power of one of these departments should not be exercised by the same hands, which possess the whole power of either of the other departments; and that such exercise of the whole would subvert the principles of a free constitution.”

In our system, the executive branch cannot exercise the full power of the legislature. It cannot act as a monarch would. The sovereign people did not imbue their power into a leviathan. The upshot of this is that any interpretation of the Constitution that grants the president monarchical power is wrong. The structure of the Constitution precludes a royal prerogative and the ethos of American democracy forbids it. Otherwise, the revolution was for nothing.
Opinion | Trump Tries on His Crown

Bravo.

trump's SC has come as close as possible to making the prez above the law. An act that will undoubtedly come back to haunt the country. Forever tarnishing the legacy of an already tarnished Roberts court.

It’s weird you needed some op-Ed to inform you that the constitution doesn’t give someone monarch powers

Are you sure you are a US citizen?

 

[Billiejeens]

Yes, to make the president an autocrat and dictator, consistent with unitary executive dogma, in continued support of the Imperial Presidency.

It was never the Framers’ intent that presidents should be above the law and have the power of a despot – another example of the Court’s contempt for the Framers’ intent.

None of that is actually happening in the real world.

 

[Winston]

Uh huh. Reminder that the Founding Fathers started a war over far less oppression that what we have now.

That has to be the most stupid post I have ever seen.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

I am not sourcing it. Do you know where it came from? Do you know what it is called, the part I quoted. Care to discuss any of them?

 

[Winston]

Oh, hush. I'm not interested in your Crown apologia, nor in your inevitable but laughable comparison to Democrats and the Founders/Trump and the King.

Can you even try to be a little consistent. You are the Crown apologia, hell, it wasn't that bad back in 1775, it is so much worse now. Did I compare Democrats to the Founders. Hell no, don't put words in my mouth. Trump and the King, read my last post hoss. many of those ********--, can't tell you what they are called because I asked you to tell me. But yeah, many of them can be applied to Trump, many more are similar to Trump's actions.

 

[Winston]

Oooh, you get bitchy when someone shuts down your "I'm just like the Founding Fathers!" bullshit.

And there it is again, putting words in my mouth. Did I say I was like the Founding Fathers? No, what I can say, and what I will say, is that I probably know more about each of them, than anyone else on this board knows about one of them.

I have worn the white gloves, do you even know what that means? I have a Reader Identification Card to the Library of Congress, and have had it, for more than forty years. My knowledge doesn't come from history books, I was past that more than forty years ago. It sure as hell doesn't come from the media, or Facebook. It comes from reading the actual documents themselves. From holding the very papers those founders wrote and signed. They held it in their hands, I have held many of them in mine.

I have read all the Federalist papers, actually wrote about all of them. The Constitutional conventions, the Congress of the Confederation, yep, have read the transcripts and journals from all of them. Maybe more importantly, I have read the newspaper editorials, all the broadsides. You don't even know what a damn broadside is.

t

That guy is my favorite founder. He epitomizes the sacrifices those great men made to found this country. I beat a dollar to a doughnut, and yeah, I know that doesn't mean much now, but it used to. You never heard of him, Ceasar Rodney.

He is one of three delegates for Delaware to the Continental Congress, and I am sure, you don't realize that each state got one vote, although they had two or three delegates. For Delaware it was Thomas McKean and George Reed, along with Rodney. Rodney is back in Delaware, working hard to finance the Continental Army, it has been a little over a year since the first shots were fired that initiated the American Revolution. He gets a letter on July 1, 1776, while in Dover. Continental Congress is holding a vote, on the plantation of Henry Lee. Yes, I said "Lee", the very next day.

Now Rodney has been plagued with asthma his entire life. And he also suffered from horrendous cancer that mutilated his face. He wore a green scarf over his face to hide that mutilation. And he spent most of his fortune on medical treatment for both the cancer and the asthma. Reed was against declaring independence, MeKean was for it, they needed Rodney to break the tie.

Rodney gets on his horse, rides for 18 hours straight, through continuous rain, lightening and thunder. It is said the other delegates heard his horse, pounding on the cobblestones, covered in lather. And in comes Rodney, still wearing his spurs, covered in mud, wearing his green scarf. I vote yes he exclaimed.

That moment, that very moment, is when America was founded. And it is so sad. No one knows about it. It wasn't James Madison or Alexander Hamilton. And don't get me started on George Washington, a relative of mine, he wasn't even a founder. No, in my eyes Ceasar Rodney will always be the father of this country. And while there is a huge monument to Washington, another for Jefferson, and Madison is highly regarded. Ceasar Rodney is buried somewhere on Dover Air Force base in an unmarked grave.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

And there it is again, putting words in my mouth. Did I say I was like the Founding Fathers? No, what I can say, and what I will say, is that I probably know more about each of them, than anyone else on this board knows about one of them.

I have worn the white gloves, do you even know what that means? I have a Reader Identification Card to the Library of Congress, and have had it, for more than forty years. My knowledge doesn't come from history books, I was past that more than forty years ago. It sure as hell doesn't come from the media, or Facebook. It comes from reading the actual documents themselves. From holding the very papers those founders wrote and signed. They held it in their hands, I have held many of them in mine.

I have read all the Federalist papers, actually wrote about all of them. The Constitutional conventions, the Congress of the Confederation, yep, have read the transcripts and journals from all of them. Maybe more importantly, I have read the newspaper editorials, all the broadsides. You don't even know what a damn broadside is.

t

That guy is my favorite founder. He epitomizes the sacrifices those great men made to found this country. I beat a dollar to a doughnut, and yeah, I know that doesn't mean much now, but it used to. You never heard of him, Ceasar Rodney.

He is one of three delegates for Delaware to the Continental Congress, and I am sure, you don't realize that each state got one vote, although they had two or three delegates. For Delaware it was Thomas McKean and George Reed, along with Rodney. Rodney is back in Delaware, working hard to finance the Continental Army, it has been a little over a year since the first shots were fired that initiated the American Revolution. He gets a letter on July 1, 1776, while in Dover. Continental Congress is holding a vote, on the plantation of Henry Lee. Yes, I said "Lee", the very next day.

Now Rodney has been plagued with asthma his entire life. And he also suffered from horrendous cancer that mutilated his face. He wore a green scarf over his face to hide that mutilation. And he spent most of his fortune on medical treatment for both the cancer and the asthma. Reed was against declaring independence, MeKean was for it, they needed Rodney to break the tie.

Rodney gets on his horse, rides for 18 hours straight, through continuous rain, lightening and thunder. It is said the other delegates heard his horse, pounding on the cobblestones, covered in lather. And in comes Rodney, still wearing his spurs, covered in mud, wearing his green scarf. I vote yes he exclaimed.

That moment, that very moment, is when America was founded. And it is so sad. No one knows about it. It wasn't James Madison or Alexander Hamilton. And don't get me started on George Washington, a relative of mine, he wasn't even a founder. No, in my eyes Ceasar Rodney will always be the father of this country. And while there is a huge monument to Washington, another for Jefferson, and Madison is highly regarded. Ceasar Rodney is buried somewhere on Dover Air Force base in an unmarked grave.

For all that you're a leftist loon

 

[whitehall]

After what America went through under the unconstitutional rule of the Biden/Fauci team during Covid, the left gives us lessons on Constitutional values after a landslide republican victory. Go figure.

 

[Winston]

After what America went through under the unconstitutional rule of the Biden/Fauci team during Covid, the left gives us lessons on Constitutional values after a landslide republican victory. Go figure.

Landslide victory, flippin delusional, lowest margin of popular vote victory in modern history. God but you people are stupid. Just where do you get your information? I am thinking you are pulling it out of your ass.

 

[Winston]

For all that you're a leftist loon

Like I am really worried about what some totally uneducated bitch that has the historical knowledge of a flippin first grader has to think. What to play, let's play.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

Remember that bipartisan immigration bill, the one Trump insisted that Republican's kill. Federalist 51. I mean let's just be real, you don't even know what the federalist papers are, let alone read one. Honestly, I doubt you got past Sally, Dick, and Jane.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

I really like that one. Is that not Trump in spades? This whole immigration thing, well there you have it, the founders, their position on immigration. Open borders, first thing Trump needs to do is blow up the damn Statue of Liberty and replace it with a big old statue of a middle finger. Flippin damn idiot.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

Well there you go. The SCOTUS is a total damn sham, the federal judiciary, fucked. The founders were some smart MOFO's, you, on the other hand, are one stupid little bitch. Clarence Thomas, are you flippin kidding me.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

Elon Musk, a new office. I mean damn, shit is easy to see, Who needs a damn FDA, not like people are dying from flipping food poisoning. And OSHA, who the hell needs them, not like worker deaths are skyrocketing. You people absolutely, have your head up your ass. And the DOE, hell yeah, eliminate the DOE, I mean we already have an education system that is more segregated than prior to Brown verses the Department of Education.

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

That is a big one. Free trade has been known to be the most effective means of expanding an economy for, well TWO THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS. You ever hear Xenophon, hell no, you probably think it is a musical instrument.

Look, I could go on, but it is a waste of time. You are just stupid, literally stupid. I mean there have been many debates about who should have the right to vote. Property owners and so forth. But the real problem, flippin idiots like you that have the right to vote. No damn concept whatsoever of our history, our heritage, the founders. Own it, you are the ones that will destroy this country and you are the ones that will pay the highest price.

 

[daveman]

That has to be the most stupid post I have ever seen.

You don't read your own posts? That explains a lot.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

I am not sourcing it. Do you know where it came from? Do you know what it is called, the part I quoted. Care to discuss any of them?

It's the Declaration of Independence. You can stop pretending you're smart now.

Just because you like the current flavor of oppression doesn't mean people aren't being oppressed.

 

[daveman]

Can you even try to be a little consistent. You are the Crown apologia, hell, it wasn't that bad back in 1775, it is so much worse now. Did I compare Democrats to the Founders. Hell no, don't put words in my mouth. Trump and the King, read my last post hoss. many of those ********--, can't tell you what they are called because I asked you to tell me. But yeah, many of them can be applied to Trump, many more are similar to Trump's actions.

No, kid, Trump is not victimizing you, no matter your pathetic need to be a victim.

 

[daveman]

And there it is again, putting words in my mouth. Did I say I was like the Founding Fathers? No, what I can say, and what I will say, is that I probably know more about each of them, than anyone else on this board knows about one of them.

I have worn the white gloves, do you even know what that means? I have a Reader Identification Card to the Library of Congress, and have had it, for more than forty years. My knowledge doesn't come from history books, I was past that more than forty years ago. It sure as hell doesn't come from the media, or Facebook. It comes from reading the actual documents themselves. From holding the very papers those founders wrote and signed. They held it in their hands, I have held many of them in mine.

I have read all the Federalist papers, actually wrote about all of them. The Constitutional conventions, the Congress of the Confederation, yep, have read the transcripts and journals from all of them. Maybe more importantly, I have read the newspaper editorials, all the broadsides. You don't even know what a damn broadside is.

t

That guy is my favorite founder. He epitomizes the sacrifices those great men made to found this country. I beat a dollar to a doughnut, and yeah, I know that doesn't mean much now, but it used to. You never heard of him, Ceasar Rodney.

He is one of three delegates for Delaware to the Continental Congress, and I am sure, you don't realize that each state got one vote, although they had two or three delegates. For Delaware it was Thomas McKean and George Reed, along with Rodney. Rodney is back in Delaware, working hard to finance the Continental Army, it has been a little over a year since the first shots were fired that initiated the American Revolution. He gets a letter on July 1, 1776, while in Dover. Continental Congress is holding a vote, on the plantation of Henry Lee. Yes, I said "Lee", the very next day.

Now Rodney has been plagued with asthma his entire life. And he also suffered from horrendous cancer that mutilated his face. He wore a green scarf over his face to hide that mutilation. And he spent most of his fortune on medical treatment for both the cancer and the asthma. Reed was against declaring independence, MeKean was for it, they needed Rodney to break the tie.

Rodney gets on his horse, rides for 18 hours straight, through continuous rain, lightening and thunder. It is said the other delegates heard his horse, pounding on the cobblestones, covered in lather. And in comes Rodney, still wearing his spurs, covered in mud, wearing his green scarf. I vote yes he exclaimed.

That moment, that very moment, is when America was founded. And it is so sad. No one knows about it. It wasn't James Madison or Alexander Hamilton. And don't get me started on George Washington, a relative of mine, he wasn't even a founder. No, in my eyes Ceasar Rodney will always be the father of this country. And while there is a huge monument to Washington, another for Jefferson, and Madison is highly regarded. Ceasar Rodney is buried somewhere on Dover Air Force base in an unmarked grave.

Good for you. Then you know your bullshit claims about Trump are indeed bullshit.

So why do you keep repeating it?