Would you intervene like Penny did on the subway???

After this trial, and the disregard of Good Samaritan laws by the left, would you step in and defend others like Penny did? If you would, what would you do different, if anything?

I can say that I did something similar when I was substitute teaching some 43 years ago. I was substituting in a middle school 8th grade class. Apparently, one kid was pestering another much bigger and stronger kid. The bigger kid, who was my size stood up, turned around and start punching the kid in the face. I shouted at him to stop, but he kept on hitting him. I went to him from the back and wrapped my arm around him and bent him over my knee. My arm was up around his neck area but not in a head lock. Much like Penny was doing. The kid weighed the same as me. But, I had been a black belt for 9 years and was able to keep him bent back over my knee. He struggled trying to get out of my hold. Finally, after about 30 seconds and me telling him to calm down, he calmed down. The girl next to us said to me that he was turning blue. I asked him if he could breathe and he said he could. He was just turning colors from struggling. I asked him if he was ready to stop fighting and go to the principal's office and he said he was. I held him like Penny held the guy. Penny didn't have him in a choke hold. If he did, the guy would have been out in about 3 seconds. So, that is not what killed the guy.

A year later, I was still substitute teaching and went one day to sub in a P.E. class at the high school near the middle school. I heard someone shout out my name at me. It was the same kid I had wrapped up a year earlier. He came over smiling. We talked and laughed about it. It said he was surprised I was able to control him so easily. I then told him I am a black belt for 10 years now. He wasn't mad and actually thanked me for stopping him because he said he was totally out of control and may have killed him.

When I finally landed a teaching job that I held for 16 years at a high school, I wrapped up a few kids to stop them from fighting. I never had one of them get mad at me. They all thanked me from stopping them because they said they would have killed the other kid. Two guys once were on my basketball team and fighting during lunch. I grabbed the big guy in a front bear hug and moved him 30 feet into a class room and sat him down. He was 6'2" and about 200 lbs. I was 5'8" and about 185 at the time. I had been weight lifting and could bench 350 lbs. I sat him down in the chair still hanging on him. He said I'm going to kill him. I said, you can't even get out of my grip. What are you talking about? He stopped wiggling and calmed down. The next day in practice, he was fine and they worked out their disagreement.

Don't be afraid to help people in need. The world needs people who are willing to help and stop violence. I praise Penny for his fearlessness to help those who could have been seriously hurt. Apparently, this guy actually hit old people in the past and sent them to the hospital. Alvin Bragg should be fired and locked up in a mental institution with the rest of the leftist Democrats who blame people because of the color of their skin.
Hell, law enforcement are losing officers and having trouble recruiting because they know that if they make the wrong split second decision and kill a black, they will be looking at charges against them. Same thing with ordinary citizens.
 
Hell, law enforcement are losing officers and having trouble recruiting because they know that if they make the wrong split second decision and kill a black, they will be looking at charges against them. Same thing with ordinary citizens.
How come other Western countries' police don't have this problem?
 
Here's what happened, a mentally ill guy was screaming on a train.

No other passenger except the killer decided to take it upon himself to snuff the guy out.

The answer to the question is, no one was being threatened.
All of the witnesses have said Jordan was screaming at passengers and explicitly threatening to kill them. Something had to be done.

Jordan also had a major illicit drug abuse problem and was probably in fragile health when he was put in the choke hold.

Penny clearly did not intend to kill him and the jury and most of America agrees that he (Penny) responded appropriately to the situation.
 
All of the witnesses have said Jordan was screaming at passengers and explicitly threatening to kill them. Something had to be done.

Jordan also had a major illicit drug abuse problem and was probably in fragile health when he was put in the choke hold.

Penny clearly did not intend to kill him and the jury and most of America agrees that he (Penny) responded appropriately to the situation.
Fact: Neely would not be dead but for that chokehold.
 
I’m surprised you weren’t sued and fired.
I was praised for saving the kid's life. As the aggressor said, he would have killed him. Perhaps in today's world, there may have been something. But, not back then. If a kid took a swing at you, you could still deck them. There was a teacher in a local high school who knocked out a couple of kids who took swings at him. Back in those days, parents supported teachers. So did the administrations.
 
I was praised for saving the kid's life. As the aggressor said, he would have killed him. Perhaps in today's world, there may have been something. But, not back then. If a kid took a swing at you, you could still deck them. There was a teacher in a local high school who knocked out a couple of kids who took swings at him. Back in those days, parents supported teachers. So did the administrations.
I can attest to that. Whenever my dad had to rough-up a student, parents were more likely to thank him than complain.
Touch a kid now and you’re through.
 
I can attest to that. Whenever my dad had to rough-up a student, parents were more likely to thank him than complain.
Touch a kid now and you’re through.
I knew better than to complain about my treatment at school to my folks. They made it clear that if they found out I got spanked at school, I'd get another when I got home. Teaches character. LOL
 
Hmm, I thought the other people on the train said they felt threatened. Did they not say that?

Also, there were two black guys who helped penny hold the guy down, why were they not also charged as accessories?
So, if a black man is walking down the street and a group of white men start calling him the Nword is he justify in pulling out his gun and shooting them because he felt threatened?
 
After this trial, and the disregard of Good Samaritan laws by the left, would you step in and defend others like Penny did? If you would, what would you do different, if anything?

I can say that I did something similar when I was substitute teaching some 43 years ago. I was substituting in a middle school 8th grade class. Apparently, one kid was pestering another much bigger and stronger kid. The bigger kid, who was my size stood up, turned around and start punching the kid in the face. I shouted at him to stop, but he kept on hitting him. I went to him from the back and wrapped my arm around him and bent him over my knee. My arm was up around his neck area but not in a head lock. Much like Penny was doing. The kid weighed the same as me. But, I had been a black belt for 9 years and was able to keep him bent back over my knee. He struggled trying to get out of my hold. Finally, after about 30 seconds and me telling him to calm down, he calmed down. The girl next to us said to me that he was turning blue. I asked him if he could breathe and he said he could. He was just turning colors from struggling. I asked him if he was ready to stop fighting and go to the principal's office and he said he was. I held him like Penny held the guy. Penny didn't have him in a choke hold. If he did, the guy would have been out in about 3 seconds. So, that is not what killed the guy.

A year later, I was still substitute teaching and went one day to sub in a P.E. class at the high school near the middle school. I heard someone shout out my name at me. It was the same kid I had wrapped up a year earlier. He came over smiling. We talked and laughed about it. It said he was surprised I was able to control him so easily. I then told him I am a black belt for 10 years now. He wasn't mad and actually thanked me for stopping him because he said he was totally out of control and may have killed him.

When I finally landed a teaching job that I held for 16 years at a high school, I wrapped up a few kids to stop them from fighting. I never had one of them get mad at me. They all thanked me from stopping them because they said they would have killed the other kid. Two guys once were on my basketball team and fighting during lunch. I grabbed the big guy in a front bear hug and moved him 30 feet into a class room and sat him down. He was 6'2" and about 200 lbs. I was 5'8" and about 185 at the time. I had been weight lifting and could bench 350 lbs. I sat him down in the chair still hanging on him. He said I'm going to kill him. I said, you can't even get out of my grip. What are you talking about? He stopped wiggling and calmed down. The next day in practice, he was fine and they worked out their disagreement.

Don't be afraid to help people in need. The world needs people who are willing to help and stop violence. I praise Penny for his fearlessness to help those who could have been seriously hurt. Apparently, this guy actually hit old people in the past and sent them to the hospital. Alvin Bragg should be fired and locked up in a mental institution with the rest of the leftist Democrats who blame people because of the color of their skin.
It has been speculated by many that the Penny indictment and trial will have a chilling effect on Good Samaritans intervening when they should. If you know that if you do that, you will likely be charged and incur months of notoriety, having your name dragged through the mud, being accused of all kinds of evil things, and incurring massive fees to defend yourself, many people may choose to not intervene.

Would I? God willing I will never have to find out. I would like to think that I would. But then at my age there isn't a whole lot to be afraid of anymore. :)
 
After this trial, and the disregard of Good Samaritan laws by the left, would you step in and defend others like Penny did? If you would, what would you do different, if anything?

I can say that I did something similar when I was substitute teaching some 43 years ago. I was substituting in a middle school 8th grade class. Apparently, one kid was pestering another much bigger and stronger kid. The bigger kid, who was my size stood up, turned around and start punching the kid in the face. I shouted at him to stop, but he kept on hitting him. I went to him from the back and wrapped my arm around him and bent him over my knee. My arm was up around his neck area but not in a head lock. Much like Penny was doing. The kid weighed the same as me. But, I had been a black belt for 9 years and was able to keep him bent back over my knee. He struggled trying to get out of my hold. Finally, after about 30 seconds and me telling him to calm down, he calmed down. The girl next to us said to me that he was turning blue. I asked him if he could breathe and he said he could. He was just turning colors from struggling. I asked him if he was ready to stop fighting and go to the principal's office and he said he was. I held him like Penny held the guy. Penny didn't have him in a choke hold. If he did, the guy would have been out in about 3 seconds. So, that is not what killed the guy.

A year later, I was still substitute teaching and went one day to sub in a P.E. class at the high school near the middle school. I heard someone shout out my name at me. It was the same kid I had wrapped up a year earlier. He came over smiling. We talked and laughed about it. It said he was surprised I was able to control him so easily. I then told him I am a black belt for 10 years now. He wasn't mad and actually thanked me for stopping him because he said he was totally out of control and may have killed him.

When I finally landed a teaching job that I held for 16 years at a high school, I wrapped up a few kids to stop them from fighting. I never had one of them get mad at me. They all thanked me from stopping them because they said they would have killed the other kid. Two guys once were on my basketball team and fighting during lunch. I grabbed the big guy in a front bear hug and moved him 30 feet into a class room and sat him down. He was 6'2" and about 200 lbs. I was 5'8" and about 185 at the time. I had been weight lifting and could bench 350 lbs. I sat him down in the chair still hanging on him. He said I'm going to kill him. I said, you can't even get out of my grip. What are you talking about? He stopped wiggling and calmed down. The next day in practice, he was fine and they worked out their disagreement.

Don't be afraid to help people in need. The world needs people who are willing to help and stop violence. I praise Penny for his fearlessness to help those who could have been seriously hurt. Apparently, this guy actually hit old people in the past and sent them to the hospital. Alvin Bragg should be fired and locked up in a mental institution with the rest of the leftist Democrats who blame people because of the color of their skin.
I would stop short of strangling the fella to death.
 
I can attest to that. Whenever my dad had to rough-up a student, parents were more likely to thank him than complain.
Touch a kid now and you’re through.
For the most part, this is true. I do remember a couple of times a teacher went beyond what they should have. It was usually for screwing around in class and not fighting or threatening anyone. One teacher at a local junior high hung a kid out a two story window by his ankles. He didn't get in trouble that I know of. But, that same teacher was caught one night stealing 30 typewriters. The guy was an idiot.
 

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