Would you intervene like Penny did on the subway???

So, if a black man is walking down the street and a group of white men start calling him the Nword is he justify in pulling out his gun and shooting them because he felt threatened?
Nope, that's just a silly comparison.

here's the difference. There wasn't any threatening action or words of intent. You have to look at what neely was saying. He claimed he was going to kill someone and he was ready to die. That's a far cry from what your scenario is.

Also, penny said he wasn't trying to kill the guy and didn't know he had died til awhile later.

Now, to put your scenario in correct context, if a group of people were trapped on a moving subway, and a white guy did what neely did, then someone would be within their right to try and restrain the white guy. And if the situation ended up as what happened here, the guy who was trying to restrain him would be justified, just like penny was.

The answer is no, you don't have the right to just outright kill someone unless you are being attacked with deadly force, but you do have the right, and the obligation to try and prevent that raving person from hurting you and other people, by restraining him.

You all can't get it out of your head that penny wasn't trying to kill this guy, but the race hucksters out there will certainly fill people's heads with that, to anger them and get them riled up and try to push this anti white hate agenda that they have going on.
 
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Nope, that's just a silly comparison.

here's the difference. There wasn't any threatening action or words of intent. You have to look at what neely was saying. He claimed he was going to kill someone and he was ready to die. That's a far cry from what your scenario is.

Also, penny said he wasn't trying to kill the guy and didn't know he had died til awhile later.

Now, to put your scenario in correct context, if a group of people were trapped on a moving subway, and a white guy did what neely did, then someone would be within their right to try and restrain the white guy. And if the situation ended up as what happened here, the guy who was trying to restrain him would be justified, just like penny was.

The answer is no, you don't have the right to just outright kill someone unless you are being attacked with deadly force, but you do have the right, and the obligation to try and prevent that raving person from hurting you and other people, by restraining him.

You all can't get it out of your head that penny wasn't trying to kill this guy, but the race hucksters out there will certainly fill people's heads with that, to anger them and get them riled up and try to push this anti white hate agenda that they have going on.
Who did Neely attack with deadly force?
 
Who did Neely attack with deadly force?

He was threatening to kill someone, in a place where people could not readily escape.

My statement was about your scenario that, if someone was walking down the street and they did what you stated, called them the N word, no, you don't have the right to kill them, because you have a means to escape by being able to run away. You can't do that In a subway car.

If you can't run away, and the person begins attacking you with deadly force, then you have the right to do whatever you need to do, to stop them and protect yourself.

In a subway car, you can't run, so the threat of being killed can be met with restraint. Notice i never said penny had a right to kill neely, because that's not what he was trying to do. He was trying to restrain him, which was the right thing to do, to stop someone who was threatening to kill people, but that ended up with the death of neely, but that was an accident.
 
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He was threatening to kill someone, in a place where people could not readily escape.

My statement was about your scenario that, if someone was walking down the street and they did what you stated, called them the N word, no, you don't have the right to kill them, because you have a means to escape by being able to run away. You can't do that In a subway car.

If you can't run away, and the person begins attacking you with deadly force, then you have the right to do whatever you need to do, to stop them and protect yourself.

In a subway car, you can't run, so the threat of being killed can be met with restraint. Notice i never said penny had a right to kill neely, because that's not what he was trying to do. He was trying to restrain him, which was the right thing to do, to stop someone who was threatening to kill people, but that ended up with the death of neely, but that was an accident.
That's weak, why do I need to run away and there might not be anywhere for me to run away to. The guy did have a weapon and he hadn't touched s soul, but you right wingers he was justified in taking a man's life.

How many unruly passengers have we seen on planes and they weren't killed, why is that?
 
That's weak, why do I need to run away and there might not be anywhere for me to run away to. The guy did have a weapon and he hadn't touched s soul, but you right wingers he was justified in taking a man's life.

How many unruly passengers have we seen on planes and they weren't killed, why is that?
How come you don’t have a problem with the guy who stabbed to death a deranged, homeless nut threatening to kill people on the subway? That case was even worse because the guy kept stabbing ing and stabbing until the threatening guy was dead. In the case of Penny, he released him while he was alive, and should have recovered if he didn’t have massive drugs pumping through his system.

So, the guy in the other case - stabbing and stabbing the guy with blood spurting all over - had his charges DROPPED. He didn’t even have to face a trial.

But that’s because he is black, and racists like you and Bragg are on,y interested if whitey is involved.
 
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After this trial, and the disregard of Good Samaritan laws by the left, would you step in and defend others like Penny did? If you would, what would you do different, if anything?

I can say that I did something similar when I was substitute teaching some 43 years ago. I was substituting in a middle school 8th grade class. Apparently, one kid was pestering another much bigger and stronger kid. The bigger kid, who was my size stood up, turned around and start punching the kid in the face. I shouted at him to stop, but he kept on hitting him. I went to him from the back and wrapped my arm around him and bent him over my knee. My arm was up around his neck area but not in a head lock. Much like Penny was doing. The kid weighed the same as me. But, I had been a black belt for 9 years and was able to keep him bent back over my knee. He struggled trying to get out of my hold. Finally, after about 30 seconds and me telling him to calm down, he calmed down. The girl next to us said to me that he was turning blue. I asked him if he could breathe and he said he could. He was just turning colors from struggling. I asked him if he was ready to stop fighting and go to the principal's office and he said he was. I held him like Penny held the guy. Penny didn't have him in a choke hold. If he did, the guy would have been out in about 3 seconds. So, that is not what killed the guy.

A year later, I was still substitute teaching and went one day to sub in a P.E. class at the high school near the middle school. I heard someone shout out my name at me. It was the same kid I had wrapped up a year earlier. He came over smiling. We talked and laughed about it. It said he was surprised I was able to control him so easily. I then told him I am a black belt for 10 years now. He wasn't mad and actually thanked me for stopping him because he said he was totally out of control and may have killed him.

When I finally landed a teaching job that I held for 16 years at a high school, I wrapped up a few kids to stop them from fighting. I never had one of them get mad at me. They all thanked me from stopping them because they said they would have killed the other kid. Two guys once were on my basketball team and fighting during lunch. I grabbed the big guy in a front bear hug and moved him 30 feet into a class room and sat him down. He was 6'2" and about 200 lbs. I was 5'8" and about 185 at the time. I had been weight lifting and could bench 350 lbs. I sat him down in the chair still hanging on him. He said I'm going to kill him. I said, you can't even get out of my grip. What are you talking about? He stopped wiggling and calmed down. The next day in practice, he was fine and they worked out their disagreement.

Don't be afraid to help people in need. The world needs people who are willing to help and stop violence. I praise Penny for his fearlessness to help those who could have been seriously hurt. Apparently, this guy actually hit old people in the past and sent them to the hospital. Alvin Bragg should be fired and locked up in a mental institution with the rest of the leftist Democrats who blame people because of the color of their skin.

Most people don't know how they will react in a given situation until placed in that situation.
 
Really? I think people pretty much know
Actually, they don’t.

If someone asked me “if a big black guy on the subway platform grabs your suitcase right out of your hand and is heading toward the exit, would you chase after him and grab it back,” I would have said “no way!”

News flash. I DID.
 
Actually, they don’t.

If someone asked me “if a big black guy on the subway platform grabs your suitcase right out of your hand and is heading toward the exit, would you chase after him and grab it back,” I would have said “no way!”

News flash. I DID.
You caught him? But you’re white.
 
You caught him? But you’re white.
He wasn’t running, as that would have attracted attention. (It was a crowded platform.) So I caught up to him almost immediately, and because he wasn’t expecting a little white girl to grab it back, he didn’t have a firm grasp on it, and I just yanked it back.

P.S. If there hadn’t been at least 100 people on the platform, and I was alone, I would have made a different decision.
 
He wasn’t running, as that would have attracted attention. (It was a crowded platform.) So I caught up to him almost immediately, and because he wasn’t expecting a little white girl to grab it back, he didn’t have a firm grasp on it, and I just yanked it back.

P.S. If there hadn’t been at least 100 people on the platform, and I was alone, I would have made a different decision.
You’re lucky. He coulda flung you onto the third rail.
 
You’re lucky. He coulda flung you onto the third rail.
Nope:

1) I grabbed it and quickly backed up out of reach, while simultaneously screaming at him. Caught a lot of interest from people nearby.

2) You should have seen his mouth drop open when he spun around. He was shocked that a little white girl did that!

3) We were not near the edge of the platform. That also entered into my decision.

It’s really amazing how quickly a person can assess a situation when needed. One or two seconds.
 
I would've intervened and knocked Penny out cold with my monkey's fist.
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I'm not as young as I use to be but I'm crankier than ever and don't tolerate people like this guy... so I would probably be happy to help...
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If he was threatening women and children, like Neely was, every one of us would step up. Well, maybe not the soyboys here.
 
How come you don’t have a problem with the guy who stabbed to death a deranged, homeless nut threatening to kill people on the subway? That case was even worse because the guy kept stabbing ing and stabbing until the threatening guy was dead. In the case of Penny, he released him while he was alive, and should have recovered if he didn’t have massive drugs pumping through his system.

So, the guy in the other case - stabbing and stabbing the guy with blood spurting all over - had his charges DROPPED. He didn’t even have to face a trial.

But that’s because he is black, and racists like you and Bragg are on,y interested if whitey is involved.
What case is that? Tell me the case you are talking about.
 
What case is that? Tell me the case you are talking about.
You will notice that charges were dropped because “under NY law, it is justifiable to use deadly force if one reasonably fears imminent deadly force from someone toward himself or others.” Thus, the case ws dropped, as it was determined that Williams was justified in killing the lunatic harassing and threatening others.

Why then weren’t charges dropped against Penny, in the similar case that happened a month prior to this one? Because: libs are racist against whitey.

 
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