Judaism = Zionism, huh?

[amity1844]

Now that belongs on a Jewish forum!

 

[Sally]

Now that belongs on a Jewish forum!

So a person raised a Presbyterian can't know his Bible inside and out? Meanwhile, keep growing your beard. Many of us want you to feel comfortable around those crazy Jews.

 

[Lipush]

The Torah Jews are against it?



That's the funniest crap I've ever heard.

According to the 3 Oaths, Jews are to remain in exile, until God comes back down to earth.

The 3 oaths are Hadagah, not Halacha, that's one point. The second one, the oath refer to Aliya that is based on the will to build the Temple, not the will of salvation. Third, The Torah says it's a Mitzvah to come to Israel, and any other source fall to the Torah.

And for last. God doesn't come to earth. The Messiah does. The Messiah is NOT God

 

[Lipush]

Now that belongs on a Jewish forum!

As long as Billo keeps saying nonsense about Judaism, we will fix his nonsense. Judaism forum? tell him to not make this thread a part of one.

 

[SAYIT]

Someone made the astonishing claim, on an unrelated thread, that Judaism and Zionism are the same thing.

Hating Zionism is the same as Judaism.
If you oppose Zionism it means you reject the idea of Jews having a state, and therefor you reject the Jews, since the only way the Jews are to be able to survive is in Israel.

I realize some here try to make that case (Judaism=Zionism) but your example does not do that. It says hate-for-Zionism=hate-for-Judaism. You've created a straw man so you could bitch about it. Rejecting the idea of Jews having a state does not mean you reject the Jews (as you claim) nor does the example you posted.
The fact is the vast majority of Zionists are not Jewish so the claim doesn't hold water.
Thread fails.

 

[amity1844]

I don't give a flying flip if it succeeds or fails, I just want to get these sources out there. Not YOU certainly, but SOMEONE who has curiosity and wants to dig for the truth is going to investigate these sources.

Other than that I am just tying up your resources by forcing you to find something to say, no matter how ineffectual.

 

[Roudy]

God Bless Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who said "anti Zionism is just another name for anti semetism"

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=hgB_Pt0DxKY]Martin Luther King, Jr. on Israel, Zionism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[amity1844]

The 3 oaths are Hadagah, not Halacha, that's one point. The second one, the oath refer to Aliya that is based on the will to build the Temple, not the will of salvation. Third, The Torah says it's a Mitzvah to come to Israel, and any other source fall to the Torah.

And for last. God doesn't come to earth. The Messiah does. The Messiah is NOT God

Lipush, Jewish Zionist goddess, or whatever you call yourself, of all the Zionists on this forum you post the most useful info. Do you have a source for this so I can read more? I know I have read about this somewhere but it has escaped me at some point. Is the concept Rosenszeig's Star of Redemption? Or who?

 

[Lipush]

The 3 oaths are Hadagah, not Halacha, that's one point. The second one, the oath refer to Aliya that is based on the will to build the Temple, not the will of salvation. Third, The Torah says it's a Mitzvah to come to Israel, and any other source fall to the Torah.

And for last. God doesn't come to earth. The Messiah does. The Messiah is NOT God

Lipush, Jewish Zionist goddess

OMG!!!

Sweet!

"Lipush, The Jewish Zionist Goddess!"

That can be like...my new gem!

AWESOME!

 

[Lipush]

The 3 oaths are Hadagah, not Halacha, that's one point. The second one, the oath refer to Aliya that is based on the will to build the Temple, not the will of salvation. Third, The Torah says it's a Mitzvah to come to Israel, and any other source fall to the Torah.

And for last. God doesn't come to earth. The Messiah does. The Messiah is NOT God

Lipush, Jewish Zionist goddess, or whatever you call yourself, of all the Zionists on this forum you post the most useful info. Do you have a source for this so I can read more? I know I have read about this somewhere but it has escaped me at some point. Is the concept Rosenszeig's Star of Redemption? Or who?

You read Aramic? Hebrew?

Hebramic?

 

[SAYIT]

I don't give a flying flip if it succeeds or fails, I just want to get these sources out there. Not YOU certainly, but SOMEONE who has curiosity and wants to dig for the truth is going to investigate these sources.

Other than that I am just tying up your resources by forcing you to find something to say, no matter how ineffectual.

Oh, that's what you're doing?

 

[amity1844]

You mean do I seriously think that some of the posters I am responding to are going to read the sources I post? No. some have told me they don't EVER read books.

but hopefully someone out there does.

 

[Lipush]

We don't ready the books YOU read, but it doesn't mean we don't read anything.

I for instance, don't read any book about the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

I find it just annoys me, for some reason

 

[Billo_Really]

You mean do I seriously think that some of the posters I am responding to are going to read the sources I post? No. some have told me they don't EVER read books.

but hopefully someone out there does.

This might sound a little weird, but I don't say things in the hopes of making a difference, I say things that I think has to be said.

 

[amity1844]

We don't ready the books YOU read, but it doesn't mean we don't read anything.

I for instance, don't read any book about the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

I find it just annoys me, for some reason

__________________
Probably none of them agree with you. I've felt that way at different times in my life, too. But no longer.

I read and post all sorts of stuff that I think is well done. I don't have to agree with it 100%. And my ideas and understanding are all evolving all the time anyway and I'm not afraid of that anymore.

 

[Billo_Really]

Probably none of them agree with you.

I read and post all sorts of stuff that I think is well one. It doesn't have to agree with me 100%. And my ideas and understanding are all evolving all the time anyway.

Have you heard about a study that dealt with why some people, when shown evidence that a particular belief of theirs was wrong, became more entrenched in that belief, instead of correcting their position?

 

[amity1844]

No, Billo, what study was that?

 

[toastman]

Probably none of them agree with you.

I read and post all sorts of stuff that I think is well one. It doesn't have to agree with me 100%. And my ideas and understanding are all evolving all the time anyway.

Have you heard about a study that dealt with why some people, when shown evidence that a particular belief of theirs was wrong, became more entrenched in that belief, instead of correcting their position?

You just described PF Tinmore

 

[Lipush]

Hahahaha.

And Sherri. Lolz

 

[Roudy]

You mean do I seriously think that some of the posters I am responding to are going to read the sources I post? No. some have told me they don't EVER read books.

but hopefully someone out there does.

No we've seen your garbage sources like a million times before. Not worth the pixels on your screen.

True story.