Poll : Do the Jews hold a valid claim on Greater Israel? Or the 1947 borders? Or any of the other borders arranged in different years?

[jacksonlamb]

Look at the pretend Jews all freak out.

so they don't say it. Many do. Yet they act like Karens.

 

[jacksonlamb]

what evidence? A statement that says that the phrase is not said? Remember what you posted:
"not in the casual, off‑hand way people sometimes imagine. The idea of struggling with God is a deeply rooted biblical and theological theme, not a slang expression"

and you can't tell me that substantial experience is an opinion.

rosends Hoax is trying to hoax her way out.

 

[Woodznutz]

Or, I’d like to ask him why he takes the word of a gentile whose great-grandfather was Jewish over the word of a practicing Jew whose mother is Jewish, father was Jewish, all four grandparents were Jewish, and all eight great-grandparents were Jewish.

On another topic, Chag Sameach, Rabbi!

A big reason why Israel of old fell out of favor with God is that they misused his word. They "did what was right in their own eyes". Why don't you think it can happen again?

 

[Woodznutz]

All that aside, I would ask do ANY countries hold valid claim over land they expanded into? Why are people focusing solely on Jews?

Look at how the Muslims, not even a “thing” until the 7th century, expanded their territory throughout the Middle East. Look at how they’ve now moved into Europe, turning those countries into Islamic-siding countries.

And finally, Israel is but 0.4% of the land in the Middle East. The fight against them is all due to antisemitism.

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The history of civilization is the history of Empires expanding their lands by conquering other peoples and taking their lands. Judah, while still an Israelite tribe, aided in expanding Israel's territory in Canaan.

 

[Lisa558]

A big reason why Israel of old fell out of favor with God is that they misused his word. They "did what was right in their own eyes". Why don't you think it can happen again?

Sorry, I’m dealing with about six other antisemites on various threads. I can’t handle even one more.

 

[rosends]

rosends Hoax is trying to hoax her way out.

You are so far off base that you are in a different stadium

 

[jacksonlamb]

You are so far off base that you are in a different stadium

You are a hoaxer.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Lisa558]

And Christians occupied what is now Muslim-majority countries, as the Islamists began their conquering of the entire region.

The Muslims are occupiers of the entire Middle East. Why isn’t anyone clamoring for them to give all their land back to Christians - along with the Jews they kicked out?

 

[Shusha]

This is a really silly conflation of multiple disparate concepts which makes no sense to compare to the conflict between the Jewish people and the Arab people in Israel/Palestine.

Conflates individual property ownership with self-determination and sovereignty.
Conflates individual claims with collective rights.
Misuses terms such as "occupiers".
Inverts indigenous collectives with invading/conquering/colonizing collectives.
Inverts violence and response to violence.

 

[Woodznutz]

And Christians occupied what is now Muslim-majority countries, as the Islamists began their conquering of the entire region.

The Muslims are occupiers of the entire Middle East. Why isn’t anyone clamoring for them to give all their land back to Christians - along with the Jews they kicked out?

God gave the desert lands to the Arabs. He gave the lands in the temperate zones to Israel. However, he retained the land surrounding Jerusalem for end time purposes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who, especially among warriors, can really be against a people seeking refuge and political campaiging permission for their cause, if their cause is to have a homeland of their own.
Critics, are hereby armed with the counter-question 'a people can stay displaced and thrive, can't they?'
But the rebuttal to that would be : "well, 1939-1945 proved different".

my point is, dear Muslims (and supporters thereof like gipper), whom i'll respect outside borders that are Greater Israel, is that the Israelis have a Biblical Mandate to rule over those lands, and that the violent son of Prophet Mohammed (swt) whose tactics and strategies are far too often used all around the world these days, never had any legitimacy to begin with, precisely because of his primitive brutality.

Yeshua said it best, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

 

[Hafar1014]

"Anarchist"

You wouldn't survive for a week under anarchy, you fraud.

Do you think he even knows what it means

 

[jacksonlamb]

Yeshua said it best, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

These words will condemn Maga in the final days. It is the classic condemnation of 'whataboutism.'

 

[jacksonlamb]

God gave the desert lands to the Arabs. He gave the lands in the temperate zones to Israel. However, he retained the land surrounding Jerusalem for end time purposes.

This is the fact. The Jews won a shoot out with the Arabs in 1948 and have never lost since. And they never will. The Arabs will never genocide the Jews without the Jews taking them along on a nuclear ride to Armageddon.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These words will condemn Maga in the final days. It is the classic condemnation of 'whataboutism.'

Nations with "War Pigs" as their national anthem will have some 'splaining to do

 

[fncceo]

I don't think ANYONE in Israel is keen to establish what the "Greater Israel" that terrifies some people.

After the 1967 War, Israel territory was twice what it is today and it was given to Egypt and Jordan in exchange for peace.

I do, however, fully support a Greater Israel just because of whom it upsets ...

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Yeshua said it best, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

and in layman's terms that means?

 

[Lisa558]

and in layman's terms that means?

I’d say it means the Islamists should look at how they drove 850,000 Jews out of the entirety of the Middle East - there are now 0 Jews in Libya and 6 in Egypt, as just two examples - before bitching that Jews still have 0.4% of the land.

 

[ShahdagMountains]