What is 'Zionism'?

[OldFlame]

So in all of these discussions surrounding Israel with our local conspiracy theorists that hide behind 'Zionism' to spew their hate on Jews, I have yet to get one single definition of what exactly it is. So now is your chance to explain how a 'Zionist' differs from a Jew in their thoughts and beliefs and why it is 'evil'. Please also show evidence of what you say. One of our board conspiracy theorists, Mr. Beale, posted a link to an article where in the article they state that there isn't a definitive agreement on what Zionism is. I think if you're going to throw that term around as a reason for your animosity towards Jews or Israel, then you should be willing to define what it means to you.

Most US Jews do not identify as ‘Zionists,’ even when they support Israel, JFNA survey finds - Jewish Telegraphic Agency


From the article:

The findings of the survey reveal that American Jews do not have a mutually agreed-upon definition of Zionism — with those identifying as anti-Zionist and those identifying as Zionist ascribing sharply different meanings to the term.

 

[TNHarley]

An israeli cultist that loves israeli propaganda, doesnt know what "zionism" is lol. Wow

Zionism - Meaning, Definition & Religious | HISTORY

Zionism is a religious and political movement that brought Jews to their ancient homeland and reestablished Israel as...

www.history.com

Try reading something.

 

[TNHarley]

Its crazy to me how people can be so supportive of something, and not even know whats going on with it.
Humans really are mostly sheep. And then the sheep get together in circle jerks and gaslight people that actually think. SMH

 

[OldFlame]

An israeli cultist that loves israeli propaganda, doesnt know what "zionism" is lol. Wow

Zionism - Meaning, Definition & Religious | HISTORY

Zionism is a religious and political movement that brought Jews to their ancient homeland and reestablished Israel as...

www.history.com

Try reading something.

Maybe you should learn to read, you apparently didn't read the op.

Everyone agrees on the definition that you posted? Why don't you ask, that's why I started the thread.

If you have nothing else to offer, leave.

 

[SeaMajor7]

 

[rosends]

There are many different types of Zionism and therefore many different definitions. The problem is that people don't distinguish between types and lump everything together.

 

[Dante]

explain how a 'Zionist' differs from a Jew in their thoughts and beliefs

Many Jews who never subscribed to Zionism have spoken on this. You need not ask others what their "thoughts and beliefs" were, as mot anti-Zionism Jews have been very eloquent.

 

[Dante]

An israeli cultist that loves israeli propaganda, doesnt know what "zionism" is lol. Wow

Zionism - Meaning, Definition & Religious | HISTORY

Zionism is a religious and political movement that brought Jews to their ancient homeland and reestablished Israel as...

www.history.com

Try reading something.

 

[Dante]

There are many different types of Zionism and therefore many different definitions. The problem is that people don't distinguish between types and lump everything together.

really?

Uhm, O'Tay

 

[Winston]

Maybe you should learn to read, you apparently didn't read the op.

Everyone agrees on the definition that you posted? Why don't you ask, that's why I started the thread.

If you have nothing else to offer, leave.

I believe that is a pretty good definition. Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea, yeah, I said it. But at it's most simple, Zionist are no different than those in the desert that were making golden cows. They believe they can "take'' their promised land, they don't need to keep their end of the bargain. Who needs God to provide the promised land, man can do it.

 

[OldFlame]

I believe that is a pretty good definition. Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea, yeah, I said it. But at it's most simple, Zionist are no different than those in the desert that were making golden cows. They believe they can "take'' their promised land, they don't need to keep their end of the bargain. Who needs God to provide the promised land, man can do it.

I've seen nothing yet to show they are deserving of the 'evil' or 'satanic' title that so many Jew haters on here apply to them, I only see them using it as an excuse to say that they don't hate Jews, only 'Zionists'.

 

[ding]

Its crazy to me how people can be so supportive of something, and not even know whats going on with it.
Humans really are mostly sheep. And then the sheep get together in circle jerks and gaslight people that actually think. SMH

Crazy is conflating protecting US interests with zionism.

 

[rosends]

I believe that is a pretty good definition. Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea, yeah, I said it. But at it's most simple, Zionist are no different than those in the desert that were making golden cows. They believe they can "take'' their promised land, they don't need to keep their end of the bargain. Who needs God to provide the promised land, man can do it.

"Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea,"

no, it isn't.

 

[ding]

An israeli cultist that loves israeli propaganda, doesnt know what "zionism" is lol.

I didn't get that from his OP. Is this you gaslighting again?

Try reading something.

You mean like the OP? Maybe take your own advice.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Its crazy to me how people can be so supportive of something, and not even know whats going on with it.
Humans really are mostly sheep. And then the sheep get together in circle jerks and gaslight people that actually think. SMH

What is actually crazy is HATING something you do not understand.

Zionism is simply a term that defines Jewish self-determination in their native homeland. Those who oppose such have singled out Jews as the only people in the world who don't deserve such.

Do you rail against Japan as the Japanese homeland, Harley? How about France or Italy or any other country? No, of course not. You don't even rail against all the countries that define themselves as Islamic. You single out one -- ONE country from all the others to delegitimize and you infuse the term that defines them with something sinister.

Speaking of sheep, maybe YOU should be the one to stop following the herd of Muslims, leftists, neo-Nazis and wigged out proto-libertarians and develop an understanding that is not predicated upon going with the flow of the vast majority in their persecution of a tiny minority.

 

[Thethingsz]

There are many different types of Zionism and therefore many different definitions. The problem is that people don't distinguish between types and lump everything together.

First thing first. No one should rely on israelophobic-dominant-Wikipedia (as documented) on anything related to Israel.

Oh, and:
Newsflash
Arab Muslim "palestine" terrorists target as much Talmudic-anti-zionist Haredi Jews in Jerusalem than secular zionists in Tel-Aviv.

Just saying.

 

[task0778]

Zionism relates to establishing and maintaining the Jewish state, which exists today. I ain't seeing anything bad about that, from where does the hate come from? It ain't like they habitually fire rockets and missiles into civilian areas in their neighboring states, all they want is peaceful co-existence.

 

[rosends]

First thing first. No one should rely on israelophobic-dominant-Wikipedia (as documented) on anything related to Israel.

Oh, and:
Newsflash
Arab Muslim "palestine" terrorists target as much Talmudic-anti-zionist Haredi Jews in Jerusalem than secular zionists in Tel-Aviv.

Just saying.

I'm not sure why you are "just saying" to me.

The Chareidim are not "anti-Zionist." In fact, they pray for a Zionist dream/goal 3 times a day.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

where does the hate come from?

Put 95 green people in a group that includes 5 yellow people and the green people will discriminate against the yellow.

Morons hate Jews because they have joined the majority instead of listening at all to the minority.

 

[OldFlame]

I'm still waiting for what is so evil and satanic about 'Zionism'.

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