Zone1 Why would Jesus permit somebody to be abducted by aliens?

[DennisPTate]

I believe that there are two parts to this question because some "aliens" are actors playing the role of aliens
for something that developed out of "Operation Paperclip?"

I believe that there is at least some common ground with the question of "Why would Jesus permit Adolf Hitler and
the Nazi Party to take over in Germany?"

One critical part of the answer is in I Corinthians 5:

"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

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In a way the "Laodicean Church of Revelation chapter three" is permitted to go into extreme trials that could be compared to alien abduction to some degree in order that they would actually come to true and genuine repentance.

1“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

6“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

The Faithful Church
7“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: 8“I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

13“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

The Lukewarm Church
14“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”
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Revelation 3: NKJV

If some sort of "alien" wants to be "worshipped" then you can be almost certain that that is a demon. The one obvious exception to
that rule would be the actual Moshiach ben David, who I am sure is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as He fulfills Zechariah chapter fourteen.

Operation Paperclip:

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the US for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959; several were confirmed to be former members of the Nazi Party, including the SS or the SA.

The effort began in earnest in 1945, as the Allies advanced into Germany and discovered a wealth of scientific talent and advanced research that had contributed to Germany's wartime technological advancements. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff officially established Operation Overcast (operations "Overcast" and "Paperclip" were related, and the terms are often used interchangeably) on July 20, 1945, with the dual aims of leveraging German expertise for the ongoing war effort against Japan and to bolster US postwar military research. The operation, conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), was largely actioned by special agents of the US Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many selected scientists were involved in the Nazi rocket program, aviation, or chemical/biological warfare. The Soviet Union in the following year conducted a similar program, called Operation Osoaviakhim, that emphasized many of the same fields of research.

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The Extra-Dimensionals: True Tales And Concepts of Alien Visitors Kindle Edition
by John DeSouza (Author)

Extra-Dimensionality is the key to understanding everything…
By everything, we mean all the areas in which we have been deceived to believe the physical world is the beginning and end of all things. “The Extra-Dimensionals” is the stark revelation of where Alien Visitors are actually coming from and to where they are returning. Understanding Extra-Dimensionality is the way to unfold the truth of the paranormal, the spiritual and even the physical world. These Visitors have been with us since time immemorial and their messages to us are everywhere around us. The truth will eventually explode into our field of vision. If we refuse to listen then we are only delaying the inevitable to a time when an alarm will be sounded that is so loud that it will consume everything upon the Earth. Once the black swans arrive, once we awaken to numerous mile long shadows cast by these ancient ships—hanging over our major cities, soundless, motionless, maddening; it will be too late.

It is in these final moments that we can still, with open minds and clear hearts, decipher that which has been intentionally hidden from humanity for so long—the truth of Extra-Dimensionality. That comprehension will, in turn, illuminate every hidden truth of our material existence. Then, we will find that for the first time, we will finally have the key to understanding everything.

His other interview from about a year ago will give you a good background to what he is saying and why he is saying these things.




John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion





John DeSouza Exposes the Truth of the UFO Invasion (One Year Later) - Redacted (Video)

The near death experience of Mr. Bryan Melvin also helps us to fully understand this question. It is a known fact that if a person prays to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus or just to Jesus, an "alien abduction" will often be prevented and the "aliens" will flee!

"Aliens" who are in actuality demons or actors playing the role of "aliens" may want the abductee or possible "alien abductee" to believe that they are having a genuine near death experience?




Near Death Experience: He Saw Hitler in Hell & This Man in Heaven

All of the horrible events of history have been permitted to pull or push us humans toward Genuine Repentance!"

I believe that former Atheist Howard Storm had a genuine near death experience and he was shown a great deal about what goes on behind the scenes as we pass on into the afterlife.

[Near death experiencer Howard Storm] :

"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)

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I believe that the near death experience of Howard Pittman gives us a lot of information about how to discern a genuine near death experience, [or 2 Corinthians 12 verses one to five ], experience, from a fake near death experience?

1It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.

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The Vision of ParadiseIt is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to #Acts 16:9; 18:9; 22:17, 18; 23:11; 26:13–15; 27:23visions and #Acts 9:3–6; 1 Cor. 14:6; 2 Cor. 12:7; (

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Our great, great, great grandmother Eve should have known that when a Talking Raptor begins to ask you questions, this could be a huge hint that something not so good is happening.

1Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
2And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”
4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
8And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
9Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”
12Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
13And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

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The Temptation and Fall of ManNow # Chr. 21:1; (Rev. 12:9; 20:2, 10)the serpent was # Cor. 11:3more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Ha

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I believe that the ancestors of our modern serpents, even Anacondas, used to look like Raptors.

All of us may not be as ready to go to heaven, as we were given the impression that we were, by Religious Teachers who are themselves "Lukewarm?"

Near death experiencer Howard Pittman was shown that many of us may be "religious" but we are worshipping the false god of SELF!



Howard Pittman's Near Death Experience

I BELIEVE THAT WE HUMANS ARE BEING PERMITTED TO BE TEMPTED IN BIG WAYS SO THAT WE ARE NOT AS EASILY DECEIVED AS THE ANGELS WHO FOLLOWED COVERING CHERUB HELEL, [Lucifer Satan], into rebellion.

I believe that we humans are God's answer to the fall of the angels that apparently began about seventy million years ago and Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

Zone1 Thread 'New information on "Old Earth Creationism" and on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory?"'

Nov 26, 2025

As of last year new information came out related to Old Earth Creationism. Near death experiencer Robert Marshall was brain dead for ninety minutes and in a coma for forty four hours. During the last forty three hours and twenty eight minutes, he claims that Jesus filled him in on astonishing details such as"
1. The earth itself is three point six BILLION years old
2. Satan BEGAN to fall roughly seventy million years ago.
3. Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this information is highly relevant to Pope Leo and I would suggest to Pope Leo that he...

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[egp320i]

I believe that there are two parts to this question because some "aliens" are actors playing the role of aliens
for something that developed out of "Operation Paperclip?"

I believe that there is at least some common ground with the question of "Why would Jesus permit Adolf Hitler and
the Nazi Party to take over in Germany?"

One critical part of the answer is in I Corinthians 5:



In a way the "Laodicean Church of Revelation chapter three" is permitted to go into extreme trials that could be compared to alien abduction to some degree in order that they would actually come to true and genuine repentance.



If some sort of "alien" wants to be "worshipped" then you can be almost certain that that is a demon. The one obvious exception to
that rule would be the actual Moshiach ben David, who I am sure is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as He fulfills Zechariah chapter fourteen.

Operation Paperclip:







His other interview from about a year ago will give you a good background to what he is saying and why he is saying these things.




John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion





John DeSouza Exposes the Truth of the UFO Invasion (One Year Later) - Redacted (Video)

The near death experience of Mr. Bryan Melvin also helps us to fully understand this question. It is a known fact that if a person prays to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus or just to Jesus, an "alien abduction" will often be prevented and the "aliens" will flee!

"Aliens" who are in actuality demons or actors playing the role of "aliens" may want the abductee or possible "alien abductee" to believe that they are having a genuine near death experience?




Near Death Experience: He Saw Hitler in Hell & This Man in Heaven

All of the horrible events of history have been permitted to pull or push us humans toward Genuine Repentance!"

Pretty sure Jesus is not currently around to prevent one person claiming this.........

 

[Kruska]

I believe that there are two parts to this question because some "aliens" are actors playing the role of aliens
for something that developed out of "Operation Paperclip?"

I believe that there is at least some common ground with the question of "Why would Jesus permit Adolf Hitler and
the Nazi Party to take over in Germany?"

One critical part of the answer is in I Corinthians 5:



In a way the "Laodicean Church of Revelation chapter three" is permitted to go into extreme trials that could be compared to alien abduction to some degree in order that they would actually come to true and genuine repentance.



If some sort of "alien" wants to be "worshipped" then you can be almost certain that that is a demon. The one obvious exception to
that rule would be the actual Moshiach ben David, who I am sure is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as He fulfills Zechariah chapter fourteen.

Operation Paperclip:







His other interview from about a year ago will give you a good background to what he is saying and why he is saying these things.




John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion





John DeSouza Exposes the Truth of the UFO Invasion (One Year Later) - Redacted (Video)

The near death experience of Mr. Bryan Melvin also helps us to fully understand this question. It is a known fact that if a person prays to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus or just to Jesus, an "alien abduction" will often be prevented and the "aliens" will flee!

"Aliens" who are in actuality demons or actors playing the role of "aliens" may want the abductee or possible "alien abductee" to believe that they are having a genuine near death experience?




Near Death Experience: He Saw Hitler in Hell & This Man in Heaven

All of the horrible events of history have been permitted to pull or push us humans toward Genuine Repentance!"

 

[luiza]

I suspect that perhaps unwittinly you have "Hit Gold" .

The answer --- it seems -- is that he was not 100% Human --- as the Cult Christian Religion would have you believe .
And he certainly was not literally the "Son" of any all encompassing single God Head .

Check out how Remote Viewers obtain their data and note the remarkably scientific process they use for gathering information .
Their results are 100% reliable in terms of the process involved .
Blind Testing and multi matching results etc
Although obviously reactions to reported findings will vary hugely . And do .

But given that the Essene was not 100% Human , it is unlikely that he would actively oppose"Abduction" knowing the full circumstances and full motivation of those "abducting" .
imho naturally .

P.S. Future Forecasting have examined his life from Pre Incarnation and then in every aspect to Post Crucifixion .

 

[DennisPTate]

I suspect that perhaps unwittinly you have "Hit Gold" .

The answer --- it seems -- is that he was not 100% Human --- as the Cult Christian Religion would have you believe .
And he certainly was not literally the "Son" of any all encompassing single God Head .

Check out how Remote Viewers obtain their data and note the remarkably scientific process they use for gathering information .
Their results are 100% reliable in terms of the process involved .
Blind Testing and multi matching results etc
Although obviously reactions to reported findings will vary hugely . And do .

But given that the Essene was not 100% Human , it is unlikely that he would actively oppose"Abduction" knowing the full circumstances and full motivation of those "abducting" .
imho naturally .

P.S. Future Forecasting have examined his life from Pre Incarnation and then in every aspect to Post Crucifixion .

I am somewhat conflicted on the question of the parentage of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and exactly how the statement in Isaiah about the word "virgin" or "unmarried young woman" actually worked out.

The near death experience of Bruce F. MacDonald adds details that are simply above my Security Clearance Level with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus. Did the Holy Spirit tell Mary to go and sleep with Joseph - Yosef? I don't know.....
but that is what a near death experience concluded who reports seeing much of the New Testament events from being there??????

Following is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus teaching His disciples and some of what He had been taught by Essene teachers who taught both Him as well as John the Baptist.

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.

"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
page 117,118 )

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One thing that is certain is that near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. deals with the issue of the number one cause of anti-Semitism over these past eighteen centuries, [by Christians at least]. He deals with this question brilliantly, and his testimony is over my head or ability to intelligently criticize.

The near death experience and later meditations of Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. leave me with the impression that time branches and actually looks more like the roots and limbs of a tree, than as a straight line as we had assumed.

Thread 'Eventual Universal Salvation, Applied Multiverse Theory and "inexpressible and unlawful words" given to Paul.'

Apr 18, 2026

I know that when I die and I meet with the Being of Light of near death experience fame
I will answer for every word that I speak, and write, and what I feel that I must write at this
time is playing with fire.

What did the Apostle Paul mean by "heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter?"

I believe that finally in our time period a pretty good speculation can be pieced together that may well help to understand what Paul meant by this. I believe that Paul had a near death experience, [perhaps at the time that he had been stoned and "appeared to be dead." That...

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Pretty sure Jesus is not currently around to prevent one person claiming this.........

Actually Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has the medical technology to resurrect the dead and send them back on a mission much as He also did for Lazarus.

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