Have you lost friends and or fam due to your political beliefs?

[JoeB131]

You best pray you never have a daughter who protests since her daddy loves police brutality.

I would train her not to confront armed police as part of a mob. Because that would be stupid.

Too many random thing can happen.

 

[Robert W]

I would train her not to confront armed police as part of a mob. Because that would be stupid.

Too many random thing can happen.

Joe, I was a loyal Democrat until I became a Repblican at age 42. I switched because at last I decided to study this countries true enemy, and I was one of them prior to being a Republican. I think you are among those whose ages are in that group I was at one point. It is why when cops kill a black, you go crazy. When black cops kill women, it makes you very happy.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, I was a loyal Democrat until I became a Repblican at age 42. I switched because at last I decided to study this countries true enemy, and I was one of them prior to being a Republican. I think you are among those whose ages are in that group I was at one point. It is why when cops kill a black, you go crazy. When black cops kill women, it makes you very happy.

Up until 2008 (About age 46) I was a Republican, until I realized they just played on racial, religious, and sexual fears to get people to vote against their own economic interests.

That you think anyone is the enemy shows how messed up you are.

I don't see Republicans as "the enemy", I just see most of them as misguided. I would take Harris' Joy over Trump's Fearmongering any day of the week.

 

[Robert W]

Up until 2008 (About age 46) I was a Republican, until I realized they just played on racial, religious, and sexual fears to get people to vote against their own economic interests.

I would have quit them as you did had Republicans actually did what you claim. Why is race your #1 issue? Was it your marriage? You seem to have hated Bush. Bush never used race nor religion nor sex in his operations as president. Bush was rather constantly attacked once he included Iraq in his saving the world. Bush saved the world from a two front war with the Muslims. What did the Democrats sell you that converted you? Clinton had not delivered it or you never would support Bush as you say you did. What Democrats sold you the package you claim you got?

 

[JoeB131]

I would have quit them as you did had Republicans actually did what you claim. Why is race your #1 issue? Was it your marriage? You seem to have hated Bush. Bush never used race nor religion nor sex in his operations as president. Bush was rather constantly attacked once he included Iraq in his saving the world. Bush saved the world from a two front war with the Muslims. What did the Democrats sell you that converted you? Clinton had not delivered it or you never would support Bush as you say you did. What Democrats sold you the package you claim you got?

Race is not my number one issue. I end up talking about it here more than I have to because there are so many racists here. My views on race haven't changed that much since I was in the Army 40 years ago. I've only been married to an Asian woman for about two years. (Although I've always had the Asian Fetish.)

I have also taken on race radicals like IM2 and Paul Essen. Especially when I catch them being dishonest.

My feelings about Dubya Bush are actually better than I had about his father. I voted for him twice. Then in 2008, I found myself with a busted 401K, an underwater mortgage, and having to take a 20% pay cut. I would LOVE to say that the reason I turned on Bush was because he lied us into Iraq or because he failed the people affected by Katrina, but unfortunately, it was only when his criminal incompetence affected me personally that I turned on him (and the GOP).

Bush did not save the world. Terrorism is bad, but it's not an existential threat to the US. In many ways, Bush probably made the problem worse, in that his perpetual wars radicalized more people than it defeated.

That said, I still think Bush is a decent human being who means well, unlike Trump, who is an utter piece of human excrement.

I was not a fan of Bill Clinton. I still think much of his personal behavior was reprehensible. (Although I don't think it was impeachable.) Still, he did a pretty good job with the economy. I was making more when he left than when he started.

I think the last straw with the GOP with me is when they nominated Romney. Because, man, I really despise Mormons. It's a visceral thing with me. And no, Romney gets no points with me for turning on Trump, he should have done this in 2012.

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, but I did vote him in 2012. Given what he was given, I think he did a pretty good job. But half of you freaked out because he was a black guy.

My number one issue is economics. I don't make enough money to vote Republican and neither do you. The last three Republicans left us with major recessions when they left office, and I have no doubt Trump will screw up the economy again. On the other hand, I would say I found myself in better economic conditions under Clinton, Obama, and Biden. Not that I put a lot of it on who is in the WH, essentially, I'm the master of my own fate.

 

[Robert W]

My feelings about Dubya Bush are actually better than I had about his father. I voted for him twice. Then in 2008, I found myself with a busted 401K, an underwater mortgage, and having to take a 20% pay cut. I would LOVE to say that the reason I turned on Bush was because he lied us into Iraq or because he failed the people affected by Katrina, but unfortunately, it was only when his criminal incompetence affected me personally that I turned on him (and the GOP).

I spent over 40 years in the Real Estate industry with most of that in management. I even was elected into management of a Real estate board who appointed me into managing the California Association of Realtors. I got the benefits of knowing many key managers in many states and kept a keen eye on Bush who you appear to blame for your bad fortune.
So let me cure you of your dislike of GW Bush. Bush actually went to congress 8 times prior to the crash you blame Bush for, cajoling them to cure the problem that most blame for the crash. And Democrats fought him every damned time. Bush saw the crash as coming. And when he kept warning Democrats, they said he was wrong. Then it happened as he said it would. Bush had prepositioned plenty to solve Katrina. But Democrats ran the state and also ran New Orleans and again turned on Bush ahead of Katrina which caused the levees to break. Brown did a hell of a good job in putting in protections for the state. And Bush was right to say he did a good job. Frankly the crash directly impacted my 2 businesses at the time. But because it was my business and my following Government at all levels that made me understand the crash was not Bush's creation but the creation of Democrats in congress.

 

[Robert W]

there are so many racists here

I agree but they are all democrats.

 

[Robert W]

I've only been married to an Asian woman for about two years. (Although I've always had the Asian Fetish.)

I loved an Asian woman and would be happy had she married me. Bonnie came from Oahu from a family that was part Hawaiian and also Filipino and also Chinese. She was the love of my life. But she cheated.

 

[Arlette]

Today is the day my dad becomes homeless.

 

[Robert W]

I was in the Army 40 years ago.

What did you do in the Army Joe? That would place you in the Army around 1980.

 

[Robert W]

Today is the day my dad becomes homeless.

Why won't you help your dad?

 

[Arlette]

Why won't you help your dad?

He's a MAGA

 

[Robert W]

Bush did not save the world. Terrorism is bad, but it's not an existential threat to the US. In many ways, Bush probably made the problem worse, in that his perpetual wars radicalized more people than it defeated.

Recall that Hitler started out small. I mean the world in Europe was pleased to sacrifice Czechoslovakia. Where is that country now? Terrorism of today rests with the Muslim world. And which of them fights the Muslims Joe?

 

[Robert W]

He's a MAGA

Why don't you want America to be great? I mean to kick out your dad is not nice.

 

[JoeB131]

I spent over 40 years in the Real Estate industry with most of that in management. I even was elected into management of a Real estate board who appointed me into managing the California Association of Realtors. I got the benefits of knowing many key managers in many states and kept a keen eye on Bush who you appear to blame for your bad fortune.
So let me cure you of your dislike of GW Bush. Bush actually went to congress 8 times prior to the crash you blame Bush for, cajoling them to cure the problem that most blame for the crash. And Democrats fought him every damned time.

His watch, his responsibiity.

And, no, he certainly deserves a lot of the blame in the housing was the only bright spot in his otherwise dismal economy, so he did relatively little to curb a runaway market or reign in the bad behavior of the banks selling mortgages as inflated investments. The existing laws were sufficient to curb the bad behavior.

Then it happened as he said it would. Bush had prepositioned plenty to solve Katrina. But Democrats ran the state and also ran New Orleans and again turned on Bush ahead of Katrina which caused the levees to break. Brown did a hell of a good job in putting in protections for the state. And Bush was right to say he did a good job. Frankly the crash directly impacted my 2 businesses at the time. But because it was my business and my following Government at all levels that made me understand the crash was not Bush's creation but the creation of Democrats in congress.

Wow, talk about revisionist history. Bush's response was one of failure. I mean, it seems tame compared to Trump's mishandling of Covid. But it was still a failure.

Recall that Hitler started out small. I mean the world in Europe was pleased to sacrifice Czechoslovakia. Where is that country now? Terrorism of today rests with the Muslim world. And which of them fights the Muslims Joe?

Hitler had an actual country at his beck and call. The terrorists did not.

Trump is willing to sacrifice Ukraine, but I'm guessing you'll completely support him when he does.

Back to the point... Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and Bush invaded it anyway because it bugged him that Saddam survived the Gulf war and his Daddy was shown the door.

 

[JoeB131]

What did you do in the Army Joe? That would place you in the Army around 1980.

1981 to 1992, although five years of that was as a reservist, and six years active duty. I was a supply NCO.

I agree but they are all democrats.

If you are going to be that intellectually dishonest, I'm not sure if there is much I can do for you.

I loved an Asian woman and would be happy had she married me. Bonnie came from Oahu from a family that was part Hawaiian and also Filipino and also Chinese. She was the love of my life. But she cheated.

So either she made a mistake (in which case you were unforgiving) or she wasn't into the relationship as much as you were. Until you put a ring on it, she's not a possession.

 

[Robert W]

His watch, his responsibiity.

And, no, he certainly deserves a lot of the blame in the housing was the only bright spot in his otherwise dismal economy, so he did relatively little to curb a runaway market or reign in the bad behavior of the banks selling mortgages as inflated investments. The existing laws were sufficient to curb the bad behavior.

Bush did everything he could do to keep the crash from happening Joe. I am the expert on this topic. Bush could just ask Congress to cure it to keep it from happening. Democrats said to him he was lying and the market would not crash.

Here is proof Joe:

Setting the Record Straight: Six Years of Unheeded Warnings for GSE Reform
The Washington Times Fails To Research The Administration's Efforts To Reform Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac

White House News

Setting the Record Straight

In Focus: Economy

Today, the Washington Times incorrectly accused the White House of ignoring warnings of trouble ahead for government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) and neglecting to "adopt any reform until this summer," when it was too late. "Neither the White House nor Congress heeded the warnings, Fannie and Freddie retained strong bipartisan support during the 1990s and early part of this decade." (Editorial, "Hear, See And Speak No Evil About Fannie And Freddie," The Washington Times, 10/9/08)

Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. In fact, it was Congress that flatly rejected President Bush's call more than five years ago to reform the GSEs. Over the years, the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems with the GSEs.

2001

• April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity." (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)

2002

• May: The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in the President's 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

2003

• February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market.
• September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
• September: Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration's assessment, saying "these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." (Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," The New York Times, 9/11/03)
• October: Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)
• November: Then-Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

2004

• February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
• February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)
• April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an "artificial issue." At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said "people tend to pay their mortgages. I don't think we are in any remote danger here. This focus on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren't there." ("Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue," American Banker, 4/21/04)
• June: Then-Treasury Deputy Secretary Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and calls for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

2005

• April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)
• July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, "while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the process." ("Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure," United Press International, 7/28/05)

2007

• August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
• August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
• December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)

2008

• February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
• March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
• April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
• May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.
  • "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
  • "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
  • "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
• June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
• July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
• September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)

 

[Arlette]

Why don't you want America to be great? I mean to kick out your dad is not nice.

Please don't bore me.

It's better that way. Everything he does or doesn't do irritates me. Everything he says or doesn't say irritates me. I'm constantly looking for a reason to be pissed about him and I don't want to be that person.

 

[Robert W]

1981 to 1992, although five years of that was as a reservist, and six years active duty. I was a supply NCO.

I worked with a Supply NCO Joe. I also was the Company Clerk under the CO who was a black Captain. I admired him at the time so much. I was then a loyal Democrat who was loyal to Kennedy. I bought a Studebaker Golden Hawk from our Supply NCO in fact.

 

[Robert W]

Please don't bore me.

It's better that way. Everything he does or doesn't do irritates me. Everything he says or doesn't say irritates me. I'm constantly looking for a reason to be pissed about him and I don't want to be that person.

Why did you house him to start with given what you say above?