Have you lost friends and or fam due to your political beliefs?

Have you lost friends and or fam due to your political beliefs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 29.1%
  • No

    Votes: 46 58.2%
  • Yes to friends but no to family

    Votes: 7 8.9%
  • Yes to family but no to friends

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Total voters
    79
Has it occurred to you that your industry was a large part of the problem? At the end of the day, the banks wrote bad loans, and the government let them do it, but there had to be a point where the realtors said, "Hey, this person isn't a good risk for home ownership."

I compare the process I went through to get a VA loan in 2004 and the process I went through to get a conventional mortgage in 2021. Night and Day. Even though I was in far better economic shape in 2021, they still asked a lot more questions and scrutinized a lot more of my finances.
My part of the industry was two fold. First I was then a licensed Broker who listed homes and also worked with buyers to own a home.
My other part when the crash happened was I owned a Real Estate loan firm in the SF Bay area and had staff working at my two offices doing that business.

YES you about firms that made a habit of making bad loans. I did not allow that at my offices. I reviewed 100 percent of all the loans. If I noticed any problems, I put the agents on the carpet and solved the customer problems then and there, only after my solutions did loans close. Customers always had me protecting them even if it means we did not make all the money we could have made. Not all firms did that.

My loan firms did not do VA loans nor did they do FHA loans. But my real estate firm did use those loans and i know all there is to know about both of them. Bush was long gone in 2021. By that time the Feds walked all over the loan industry and it changed the Real Estate industry. But To shit on us when our industry only did what was allowed by FHA and VA or by Fannie Mac and Freddie Mac and blame banks who most of them shied away from such loans all along is terrible on your part. I pointed out to you that Bush busted his ass trying to prevent the problem from the early days till the crash. Congress told him to get lost.

Watch it happen.

Youtube has played a trick on the public by hiding or removing the videos proving Bush went to Congress and that Congress told Bush hell no when he wanted them to prevent the housing crash.

But this gives a bit of a view.

 
I compare the process I went through to get a VA loan in 2004 and the process I went through to get a conventional mortgage in 2021. Night and Day. Even though I was in far better economic shape in 2021, they still asked a lot more questions and scrutinized a lot more of my finances.
What bank handled your VA loan? What bank handled your conventional loan? After the shit hit the fan, of course the Democrats did toughen things up a hell of a lot. And it was harder on the buyers and the sellers of homes.
 
My loan firms did not do VA loans nor did they do FHA loans. But my real estate firm did use those loans and i know all there is to know about both of them. Bush was long gone in 2021. By that time the Feds walked all over the loan industry and it changed the Real Estate industry. But To shit on us when our industry only did what was allowed by FHA and VA or by Fannie Mac and Freddie Mac and blame banks who most of them shied away from such loans all along is terrible on your part. I pointed out to you that Bush busted his ass trying to prevent the problem from the early days till the crash. Congress told him to get lost.

He also tauted home ownership as the great accomplishment of his administration. Even though a lot of those people weren't good candidates for home ownership.

Now, going back to the 2004 loan, I bought into a Condo association. When the Crash came, a bunch of those people just walked away from their mortgages and made them the bank's problem. The properties lost half their value in a year. it never did recover until about 2020. I kind of lucked out in that an investment firm bought the whole complex for 20% above market. (I discussed this whole thing in a thread.)

Youtube has played a trick on the public by hiding or removing the videos proving Bush went to Congress and that Congress told Bush hell no when he wanted them to prevent the housing crash.

You know, after Bush abused the powers Congress gave him, you can kind of understand why they didn't give him more. I should point out that he controlled both houses of Congress for most of his two terms.

What bank handled your VA loan? What bank handled your conventional loan? After the shit hit the fan, of course the Democrats did toughen things up a hell of a lot. And it was harder on the buyers and the sellers of homes.

A small local lender handled my VA loan. They were quick to impose late fees if you were even a day late on the payment. I've got to leave them a shitty review on Google.

Huntington handled my conventional loan.
 
He also tauted home ownership as the great accomplishment of his administration. Even though a lot of those people weren't good candidates for home ownership.
I was an appraiser for 5 licensed years but was one before that too.
Home ownership spurred I believe has a lot to do with the dot.com boom that delivered the surprise to Clinton of a balanced budget he did not predict nor aim for.

As a lender then, I was swamped daily by faxes from all sorts of what we call "Wholesalers"
Let me explain the home loan business by laying the industry out. This is not told to the public unless you happen to read industry reports.

First the customer. This person owns property. I want to simplify this to all reading it here.

Customers are rated by credit scores. Who wants to loan to a dead beat? So lenders who talk directly to customers, me for example simply take those faxes and read what they tell us. IF we have top rated customers, we select from the lists, wholesalers who offer the best interest rates. But how do we make our incomes. We put in effort to tally up our expenses, all of them, labor and other overhead, and add in a profit. If we run a wonderful business, we scale down the loan points to keep our customers happy. But if we charge too little, we can't pay rent or expenses to our staffs. So customers protect themselves by shopping around. They will select the best deal for their own self interest. We do the loans. We also shop wholesalers who allow us to get top deals for our clients. Those in our business who wont last long **** the customers. So they end up closing up shop. Wholesalers also limit the profits we can make. Sure some customers end up fucked. But all in all the customers normally do a good job defending themselves.

When I was an appraiser, I was in loan businesses that were shady. It took me months to finally see they were super bad. They would not tell me the actual costs to customers but at times the customers would tell me and most did not.

I would see though first hand that the loan sharks would close up shops. And after I opened my loan firm, sometimes the shady ones came to me to hire them. I did not of course. As an Appraiser, the further up lenders would hire me to check out some lenders appraisers. I would report to them facts. Naturally the lenders also viewed my appraisals by standards with their effort to ensure my work was reliable and accurate.

My aim here is to explain to all of you from the inside out. So you will be more knowledgeable about how the lending industry really works.

Now since this is getting long, let me finish up. Customers decide if they will pay bills on time. And as lenders use ratings, the worse the customer, the more interest and loan points they will pay. This is because the lenders of all categories know ahead of time what profits they must make. They bet on customers to go broke. So the higher rates they charge save the lenders from going broke. Lenders profits are not on only keeping loans on their books. They want to market some loans to others who will keep them. Such as pension funds. Insurance firms buy loans. If they collect money monthly from customers, they may want to keep home loans on the books for a lot longer time than wholesalers do.

Wholesalers are not visible to the public normally. If they become giants, some do get to be known. To be a wholesaler, they too need funds. So for them to set up in business, the industry may force them to first have super huge amounts of credit and millions in worth or they can't be wholesalers. Even me as a Lender to the public had to have plenty of net worth so the wholesalers trusted me.

Anyway why don't banks make many home loans as others do. Banks have accounts that will pay them a lot more is why. Car loans for example. If you want a boat, you do not go to me. You go to your bank. Banks will loan the super prices of yachts. My firm would never have done that. When i owned a machine shop, my source of loans was banks. But even machines have special lenders who loan to machine shops or auto dealers.

Hope this helps all who care.
 
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It is both for us. We are no longer speaking to some family members and definitely have several former friends due major political view disagreements.

How about you?

My sister disowned me, even though we never talked about politics. She assumed because I have money, I'm a Trump supporter. 😆
 
I was an appraiser for 5 licensed years but was one before that too.
Home ownership spurred I believe has a lot to do with the dot.com boom that delivered the surprise to Clinton of a balanced budget he did not predict nor aim for.

As a lender then, I was swamped daily by faxes from all sorts of what we call "Wholesalers"
Let me explain the home loan business by laying the industry out. This is not told to the public unless you happen to read industry reports.

First the customer. This person owns property. I want to simplify this to all reading it here.

Guy, TL;DR.

You can try to polish this turd all day, but at the end of the day, the realtors, the banks, and the regulating agencies caused this problem by 1) Inflating the values of properties, 2) giving loans to people who had no business getting them, and 3) letting the banks inflate the value of these mortgages they were selling as investments.

And then someone yelled, "The Emperor has no Clothes".

And no one went to jail, that was the real problem. Instead, the government gave bailouts to the big banks and the little people all had to live with their underwater mortgages.

Republicans **** things up, Democrats fix them, and then we put the Republican back in power because they get people upset about the immigrants or the gays or some other stupid shit.
 
Guy, TL;DR.

You can try to polish this turd all day, but at the end of the day, the realtors, the banks, and the regulating agencies caused this problem by 1) Inflating the values of properties, 2) giving loans to people who had no business getting them, and 3) letting the banks inflate the value of these mortgages they were selling as investments.

And then someone yelled, "The Emperor has no Clothes".

And no one went to jail, that was the real problem. Instead, the government gave bailouts to the big banks and the little people all had to live with their underwater mortgages.

Republicans **** things up, Democrats fix them, and then we put the Republican back in power because they get people upset about the immigrants or the gays or some other stupid shit.
Banks paid back TARP loans with interest. And I have told you this multiple times. Trump is nothing like the Bush family. The GOP has remade itself. On that note. Your woke party is nothing like that of Clinton’s Democratic Party. So your history lesson is at best stupid. Furthermore McCain was against the “bailouts” it was Pelosi and her Democrat led Congress that approved them.

I am shocked you didn’t blame the Jews.

Typical uninformed Jeanie.
 
Banks paid back TARP loans with interest. And I have told you this multiple times.

You mean they "paid them back" by jacking up interest rates on credit cards and such. So the consumer got fucked over a second time.

Trump is nothing like the Bush family.

You are right, he's substantially worse. An utter piece of human excrement without a single redeeming quality. Bush believed in dumb policies, but at his heart, he was a decent human being who just listened to the wrong people.

Trump thinks he knows more about war than the generals, more about diseased than the doctors, and more about business than the economists. It's why his first term was such a shit-show.


The GOP has remade itself. On that note. Your woke party is nothing like that of Clinton’s Democratic Party.

Thank God for that. Clinton was "Republican Lite" half the time.

So your history lesson is at best stupid. Furthermore McCain was against the “bailouts” it was Pelosi and her Democrat led Congress that approved them.

They didn't have a choice at that point. It was either bailouts or let the entire economy collapse. What SHOULD have happened was that the bad actors should have been put on trial and thrown in prison with an oversexed cell-mate.

I am shocked you didn’t blame the Jews.
Didn't have to. We all know the Jews run the banks.
 
You mean they "paid them back" by jacking up interest rates on credit cards and such. So the consumer got fucked over a second time.





You are right, he's substantially worse. An utter piece of human excrement without a single redeeming quality. Bush believed in dumb policies, but at his heart, he was a decent human being who just listened to the wrong people.

Trump thinks he knows more about war than the generals, more about diseased than the doctors, and more about business than the economists. It's why his first term was such a shit-show.




Thank God for that. Clinton was "Republican Lite" half the time.



They didn't have a choice at that point. It was either bailouts or let the entire economy collapse. What SHOULD have happened was that the bad actors should have been put on trial and thrown in prison with an oversexed cell-mate.


Didn't have to. We all know the Jews run the banks.
My multi quote isn’t working. Argh

1) Banks make most of their monies from commercial loans and such not credit card fees. Another fail by you.

2) He won. Cry more. You are one to talk about human excrement. Go tattle on me some more. You are the epitome of a Beta male. The point is don’t compare the party of Bush and Clinton to today’s GOP and DP. Stop acting like a petulant child.

3) “We all know Jews run the banks”

Which? Commercial? Investment? Which banks do we run?

Jeanie. Take some advice. Seek mental help. You’re a second away from becoming a mall shooter.
 
And no one went to jail, that was the real problem. Instead, the government gave bailouts to the big banks and the little people all had to live with their underwater mortgages.
Name the banks that gave out home loans?? And I do my best to teach you the true facts of loans, you pretend you were still a supply sgt.
People were seeking loans for many purposes. A lot of money was used to buy stocks. Also rates had fallen and residents wanted lower costs.
 
Republicans **** things up, Democrats fix them, and then we put the Republican back in power because they get people upset about the immigrants or the gays or some other stupid shit.
Yes some did go to jail. Apparently you simply lack the knowledge of a supply sgt. Recall when you were one? How troops believed what you did was not much value to them? You were suckered by Democrats. And you hang on like they are your family to them. They do not give a shit about you.
 
You can try to polish this turd all day, but at the end of the day, the realtors, the banks, and the regulating agencies caused this problem by 1) Inflating the values of properties, 2) giving loans to people who had no business getting them, and 3) letting the banks inflate the value of these mortgages they were selling as investments.
You do not know much of what happens.
Realtors do not drive up prices. When Realtors list homes, owners are pretty well informed and have a very good idea of market values. I have had to list homes at too high a price even though I told the sellers they were too high. And recall a seller in Union City CA who was selling his own home and I told him his price was too high. I did not follow up to see if he got his asking price. But one can imagine he did as he sold his own home. I recall of the few loans my firm did that the owners were given loans that my firm really was skeptical of them getting the loans. We hated to earn money when the seller would simply keep bad payments on their own homes. Banks i tell you had plenty of ways to make higher rates than we home lenders got for clients. Why would banks do home loans when they could do other profitable loans. My firm even had bankers as clients and of course bankers could get good deals at the banks they worked for. Banks had no interest inflating values.
 
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Yes, the same person. Yes, you misunderstood. No, I'm not going to respond to anymore of your trolling about it.
I had put you on ignore for maybe a year because of your trolling on this forum. I read again what I replied to after your mouth sold you out.
 
It is both for us. We are no longer speaking to some family members and definitely have several former friends due major political view disagreements.

How about you?

I say if your politics are more important than family, your values are wrong
 
My multi quote isn’t working. Argh

1) Banks make most of their monies from commercial loans and such not credit card fees. Another fail by you.

2) He won. Cry more. You are one to talk about human excrement. Go tattle on me some more. You are the epitome of a Beta male. The point is don’t compare the party of Bush and Clinton to today’s GOP and DP. Stop acting like a petulant child.

3) “We all know Jews run the banks”

Which? Commercial? Investment? Which banks do we run?

Jeanie. Take some advice. Seek mental help. You’re a second away from becoming a mall shooter.

Naw, I'm not a right wing freak who loves guns.

But anyway, it seems you guys are pretty upset for folks who "Won".

Buyer's remorse is setting in and you haven't even gotten the delivery yet.

Trump will destroy the GOP in the end, and we'll all be better off for it.
 
Naw, I'm not a right wing freak who loves guns.

But anyway, it seems you guys are pretty upset for folks who "Won".

Buyer's remorse is setting in and you haven't even gotten the delivery yet.

Trump will destroy the GOP in the end, and we'll all be better off for it.
Upset? Bro, your meltdown is beautiful.
 

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