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Regardless of party, what Freedoms have hard working Americans lost, that need to be restored?
You can't see the growth of homelessness, disenfranchised, and drug abusers all around? What freaking world do you live in?

Taxation of middle class is over 40%, and the minute you try to get a second job and get ahead to break free, BAMB...everything you worked for goes to pay the government.

There's no way out for most people. It used to be called extortion. Today they call it progress.
 
American is an idea, a thought, a promise, not a skin color or origin story.

I have empathy for the MAGAs.
They dont really know any better because many of them have never encountered a con man. They assumed he had their values just like he said... before they knew he had none. I give them a hard time here but honestly I feel for them/you.

You seem like someone who doesnt know about half the food stamps go to children and about 11 million children are born into poverty and nearly 40% live in low income homes. There are 2 choices. Help or do nothing. Fraud and waste is about 1%.

Trump's approval has fallen from 50% down to sub-30%. If you typed the name of everyone whose support he lost it would take about 70m seconds or 3 years of typing for you with no breaks.

Trump ran on:
  • Cutting the cost of energy in half within a year (its up +12%)
  • Lowering gas prices (up 30%+)
  • Lowering grocery bills (continue to rise over +3%)
  • Lowering housing costs (homes up another $6,000 this year)
  • A booming economy (GDP is anemic around 1%)
  • Avoiding wars and no new entanglements (We've been threating people since he came into office and we are in a war)
  • Ending the Ukraine war in 24 hours (We are approaching 24 months)
  • Cutting the deficit (He submitted a record deficit budget)
  • Cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations (he did that)
  • Cutting waste (Ballroom, Arch, $100m on golf, Money to Venezuela, his kids selling to the government)

Inflation was 2.9% when passed to Trump. You picked a covid high point because you lack honesty. Trump's unemployment was 15% once. Lets just say its always 15% unemployment with him. I dont know you but all indications are that you lack the honesty to look at issues with discernment.

I'll give maga credit here.
I assumed there was nothing in the files and that the cops would have charged any crimes with prosecutable evidence. I was half right. Seemingly there is not charge worthy evidence in there but there are tons of people who ought to be embarrassed and shunned. Maga is the one who was pushing for the embarrassment and shunning... until it turned out that Orange Jesus was the one who should be shunned and embarrassed.


I dont do conspiracy theories.

I dont know Rich but he recognizes he was conned. That is really step one. i dont expect conservatives to become liberals, just to open their eyes at how they are being conned, used, and abused. Its easy. Just open your eyes and know there is support.
Still, everything you talk about is centered on one person.

I will pray that you can lift your eyes up and look at the people around you and what's going on in real life.

I hope you can actually become a liberal and stop following the bandwagon. You can think for yourself, I know you can. Liberals believe in individual freedom and self-determination. They reject a fraud-riddled establishment.
 
I am a liberal. You are a psychotic control freak. Name one program that promoted self-determination and free choice? We sent our "Democratic" legislators to congress to fix the immigration laws, but instead they destroyed our borders and imposed a new slave culture.

Speak clearly, or go home.
Maybe if there were an electoral system that gave you more than two choices.

Oh, there is, but most Americans are too ignorant to know what it is. It's called Proportional Representation.
 
Still, everything you talk about is centered on one person.

I will pray that you can lift your eyes up and look at the people around you and what's going on in real life.

I hope you can actually become a liberal and stop following the bandwagon. You can think for yourself, I know you can. Liberals believe in individual freedom and self-determination. They reject a fraud-riddled establishment.
Everything I talk about is centered on results. Not feelings.

The only party advocating for individual freedom and self-determination is the democratic party and independents. Check yourself genius. You lobby accusations of communism like a lemming listening to Rush Limbaugh. The Democratic party is 100% capitalism and free market. The difference in the two parties is that the democrats are less likely to allow businesses and rich people to rape and pillage America.... less likely, not totally devoid of it. Both parties are right. Democrats right of center. Republicans are lawless far right.

I will be glad to debate that with you but as of yet you've offered no proof of your BS accusation of communism. Im well versed in these policies my friend so you better come at me with something more than insults and vagaries.
 
Everything I talk about is centered on results. Not feelings.

The only party advocating for individual freedom and self-determination is the democratic party and independents. Check yourself genius. You lobby accusations of communism like a lemming listening to Rush Limbaugh.

This is an appeal to emotions and feelings.


The Democratic party is 100% capitalism and free market.

The 2024 Democratic presidential candidate literally campaigned on taking over big businesses and running them as part of the government.

The difference in the two parties is that the democrats are less likely to allow businesses and rich people to rape and pillage America.... less likely, not totally devoid of it.

Why let businesses "rape and pillage America" when the government can do a much better job of it, right?

Both parties are right. Democrats right of center. Republicans are lawless far right.

Democrats recently flaunted the law by opening our borders to millions (10's of millions) of people from other countries. Slave labor at best, drug traffickers and terrorists at worst. [just a small example, one of many]

I will be glad to debate that with you but as of yet you've offered no proof of your BS accusation of communism.

A communist regime typically exhibits these characteristics:

1. State run media

[Biden created a "ministry of truth" to regulate media, and it has been well documented they used the FBI and other federal agencies to limit free speech on several social media platforms]

2. State run elections

[universal mailed ballots handled by a federal agency with a political agenda (USPS), NGO/federally controlled voter rolls, NGO/fedrally controlled tabulators...]

3. State owned businesses

["Affordable Health Care" basically put the whole industry under the control of the federal government; Harris campaigned on the idea of taking control of big business; Agriculture is dominated by State and Federal control and policy; All technology is regulated; ...what industry isn't under control of State or Federal government?]

4. Implementation of a social class structure

[The encouragement of illegal immigration creates a 2nd class citezenry without full rights; Democratic party has adopted and implemented "Equity" based ideology which is fundamentally the same ideology that enabled slavery and abandonment of Equal treatment under the law]



Im well versed in these policies my friend so you better come at me with something more than insults and vagaries.

I know, I know. The trajectory is well established in history: First, tax the rich men and redistribute wealth. Then, hang the rich men and intellectuals that dare point out the flaws with the plan.
 
Leaving MAGA? Well leavingmaga.org is here for your transition. I know it can be a difficult time for you but you are not alone. Millions of Americans are leaving MAGA and Rich understands how difficult that can be. He is a former dedicated MAGA conservative who walked away. I want my fellow posters here on USMB to have support if they need it. Below is a news article about the organization and a link to the site that can help you. Friends dont let friends deMAGA alone. They are here for you and no judgment by me.

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SPOKANE, Wash. — A billboard along Sullivan Road in Spokane Valley is generating attention for advertising "Leaving MAGA," a nonprofit that supports people distancing themselves from President Donald Trump.

Rich Logis, who founded the organization after being a Trump supporter himself, believes more MAGA supporters are reaching a breaking point.

"I think that more and more MAGA supporters are starting to feel that there's one why or one there's one betrayal too many, and it's causing them to question if this movement any longer comports with their values," Logis said.


Logis cites cost of living concerns, immigration policies and the Epstein files as some reasons people are questioning the movement. He started the support group to provide community for those reconsidering their political allegiances.




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This is an appeal to emotions and feelings.
You posted not a single cited fact in your entire post.
The 2024 Democratic presidential candidate literally campaigned on taking over big businesses and running them as part of the government.
No she did not. That is why you did not post a link.
Why let businesses "rape and pillage America" when the government can do a much better job of it, right?
An emotional response to the fact that the only version of capitalism that works is a highly regulated system to keep it competitve and to protect workers and consumers. In no version of successful capitalism does a total free market, one allowed to do bad things, is a good outcome.
Democrats recently flaunted the law by opening our borders to millions (10's of millions) of people from other countries. Slave labor at best, drug traffickers and terrorists at worst. [just a small example, one of many]
There are and never were OPEN BORDERS dipshit. We are in a political debate as to whether to honor immigration law and process asylum requests, or to ignore immigration law and refuse to honor immigration law. The GOP can end asylum by passing a law. Instead they are ignoring the law. Obama deported more immigrants that Trump ever did AND Trump's deportations are way behing Bidens:
  • Biden (FY2024): about 271,000 ICE removals in his last full fiscal year, or roughly 742 per day.
  • Trump (early 2025): TRAC found Trump’s early second-term pace was about 661 removals per day, which was ~11% lower than Biden’s FY2024 daily average.
A communist regime typically exhibits these characteristics:

1. State run media

[Biden created a "ministry of truth" to regulate media, and it has been well documented they used the FBI and other federal agencies to limit free speech on several social media platforms]
Ridiculous. There is no evidence that Biden's regime squashed free speech. Meanwhile Trump has put in an FCC chairman who has threatened to shut down businesses that own news organizations that show Trump in real light.

A few (6) of the clearest examples are cases where the FCC (under Brendan Carr) used its regulatory leverage over broadcast licenses, mergers, or funding to pressure companies that own news outlets critical of Trump.

1. Threatening ABC/Disney’s broadcast licenses after Jimmy Kimmel criticized Trump​


This is the clearest and most obvious example.

After Jimmy Kimmel mocked Trump and Melania on ABC, Trump publicly demanded ABC fire him. Within days, the FCC accelerated review of Disney’s ABC station licenses years ahead of schedule — a move critics called “nearly unprecedented.”

Why it matters:
  • Broadcast licenses are one of the FCC’s biggest pressure points.
  • The licenses were not up for review until 2028–2031.
  • Moving them up immediately after White House outrage created an obvious threat signal to Disney/ABC: criticism of Trump could trigger regulatory pain.
Even FCC Commissioner Anna Gomez called it a First Amendment violation and politically motivated retaliation.

2. Using the FCC’s Paramount–Skydance merger approval to pressure CBS / 60 Minutes

This is the most consequential example.

The FCC had to approve the Paramount–Skydance merger, which gave the government major leverage over CBS’s parent company. At the same time:
  • Trump sued CBS / 60 Minutes over its Kamala Harris interview.
  • FCC Chair Carr revived and amplified “news distortion” complaints against CBS.
  • Carr explicitly said the complaint could factor into the merger review.
That created a clear pressure structure:
  • punish CBS editorially,
  • hold up the merger,
  • force concessions.
The fallout was hard to miss:
  • 60 Minutes executive producer Bill Owens resigned, saying he had lost editorial independence.
  • CBS News CEO Wendy McMahon also resigned.
  • Paramount settled Trump’s lawsuit for $16 million while admitting no wrongdoing.
This is one of the starkest examples because the FCC didn’t need to win a censorship case — it only needed to make corporate ownership fear regulatory delay.

3. Reviving investigations into ABC, NBC, and CBS — but not Fox​

Shortly after taking office, Carr reopened or revived complaints against ABC, NBC, and CBS over alleged bias, while notably not targeting Fox.

That asymmetry is the point.

The issue was not neutral content regulation; it was selective scrutiny aimed at outlets critical of Trump, while exempting the network most favorable to him.

That kind of selective enforcement is exactly what raises First Amendment concerns:
  • not banning criticism outright,
  • but making criticism expensive and legally risky for disfavored outlets.

4. Investigating Comcast (NBC parent) after criticism of Trump​

Carr also opened investigations into Comcast, parent of NBC News, officially framed around DEI and public-interest obligations.

Formally, these were not “content” cases.

Practically, critics argue they functioned the same way:
  • target the corporate parent,
  • create regulatory exposure,
  • pressure the newsroom downstream.
That is the pattern: don’t censor the anchor directly — threaten the company that owns the microphone.

5. Threatening NPR and PBS through funding and FCC scrutiny​

Carr also targeted NPR and PBS by:
  • opening FCC inquiries into underwriting practices,
  • urging Congress to cut funding,
  • and helping build the case for later federal defunding.
Again, the mechanism matters:
  • not “you can’t say this,”
  • but “we can investigate you, strip support, and make your model harder to survive.”
That is still speech pressure... just through financial coercion instead of direct censorship.

6. Public threats to revoke licenses for unfavorable coverage​

Carr publicly floated using the FCC to discipline broadcasters for failing to operate in the “public interest,” including suggesting CBS’s license could be at risk.

That matters because “public interest” is broad and subjective enough to become a political weapon if used selectively.

The chilling effect is obvious:
  • you do not need to actually revoke the license,
  • you only need every media executive to believe you might try.
That alone can change editorial behavior.
2. State run elections

[universal mailed ballots handled by a federal agency with a political agenda (USPS), NGO/federally controlled voter rolls, NGO/fedrally controlled tabulators...]
Entire nonsense.That is why you didnt cite anything.
3. State owned businesses

["Affordable Health Care" basically put the whole industry under the control of the federal government; Harris campaigned on the idea of taking control of big business; Agriculture is dominated by State and Federal control and policy; All technology is regulated; ...what industry isn't under control of State or Federal government?]
The state doesnt own businesses. You are conflating regulations to protect competition and consumers with ownership. That is an intellectually lazy argument because there are not examples of communism pushed by democrats or implemented by US government. Face it all you have is an emotional temper tantrum.

4. Implementation of a social class structure

[The encouragement of illegal immigration creates a 2nd class citezenry without full rights; Democratic party has adopted and implemented "Equity" based ideology which is fundamentally the same ideology that enabled slavery and abandonment of Equal treatment under the law]
Again the enitre debate on immigration is whether to honor immigration law to process asylum claims or not. That's it. Democrats support secure borders. The only point of contention is asylum cliams. That's it.
I know, I know. The trajectory is well established in history: First, tax the rich men and redistribute wealth. Then, hang the rich men and intellectuals that dare point out the flaws with the plan.
Dude. I am very well off. I am a corporate C-suite executive. My compensation is generally 7 figures including bonus. I pay $200-350k in taxes to just the federal government every year. Look below. People like me have all the money. There is no money to tax in the bottom. People like you.. likely making under $100k per year are scared shitless to tax people like me because you think that somehow you will make it big like me... you wont.. .and you''l have to pay more taxes.. News flash.. when you make my money you dont give a shit if the tax rate is 24% or 27% or 35%... you have a ton of money either way.

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I am a liberal. You are a psychotic control freak. Name one program that promoted self-determination and free choice? We sent our "Democratic" legislators to congress to fix the immigration laws, but instead they destroyed our borders and imposed a new slave culture.

Speak clearly, or go home.

You are clearly believing the right wing lies regardless of what you tell yourself about your politics.

The "slave culture" you speak of has been imposed by the Republicans destruction of the union movement in the 1980's, and continuing tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.

Your borders aren't "destroyed", and immigrants aren't the problem. But keep believing you're a "liberal", if it helps you sleep at night.
 
Yeah I'm sure everybody who's not happy with Trump is going to run on over to the Democratic socialist progressive movement
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maga will go on with or without Trump

MAGA won't go on because hate and anger cannot be sustained for long periods. People get burnt out by it. It's a large part of the reason Trump lost in 2020. Voters were disgusted by the hate and violence.
 
Everything I talk about is centered on results. Not feelings.

The only party advocating for individual freedom and self-determination is the democratic party and independents. Check yourself genius. You lobby accusations of communism like a lemming listening to Rush Limbaugh. The Democratic party is 100% capitalism and free market. The difference in the two parties is that the democrats are less likely to allow businesses and rich people to rape and pillage America.... less likely, not totally devoid of it. Both parties are right. Democrats right of center. Republicans are lawless far right.

I will be glad to debate that with you but as of yet you've offered no proof of your BS accusation of communism. Im well versed in these policies my friend so you better come at me with something more than insults and vagaries.
75% of Progs would be dead or impoverished without the government.
 
The irony of this thread from a tragic victim of TDS is massive.

There is a place such pathetic losers as shittycroc can get help. In fact, also ironically, the shitlibs got institutionalization in mental hospitals much more difficult.

Too bad. He could use it.
 
Looks like we have another maga in search of support. Please check out the OP if you need support my fellow USMB posters.

 
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This is an appeal to emotions and feelings.




The 2024 Democratic presidential candidate literally campaigned on taking over big businesses and running them as part of the government.



Why let businesses "rape and pillage America" when the government can do a much better job of it, right?



Democrats recently flaunted the law by opening our borders to millions (10's of millions) of people from other countries. Slave labor at best, drug traffickers and terrorists at worst. [just a small example, one of many]



A communist regime typically exhibits these characteristics:

1. State run media

[Biden created a "ministry of truth" to regulate media, and it has been well documented they used the FBI and other federal agencies to limit free speech on several social media platforms]

2. State run elections

[universal mailed ballots handled by a federal agency with a political agenda (USPS), NGO/federally controlled voter rolls, NGO/fedrally controlled tabulators...]

3. State owned businesses

["Affordable Health Care" basically put the whole industry under the control of the federal government; Harris campaigned on the idea of taking control of big business; Agriculture is dominated by State and Federal control and policy; All technology is regulated; ...what industry isn't under control of State or Federal government?]

4. Implementation of a social class structure

[The encouragement of illegal immigration creates a 2nd class citezenry without full rights; Democratic party has adopted and implemented "Equity" based ideology which is fundamentally the same ideology that enabled slavery and abandonment of Equal treatment under the law]





I know, I know. The trajectory is well established in history: First, tax the rich men and redistribute wealth. Then, hang the rich men and intellectuals that dare point out the flaws with the plan.
That guy is just so full of it.
 
Some of these MAGA trolls on here are starting to have serious doubts about Trump after witnessing all of these colossal ****-ups during the past 15 months.

They'll never admit it, but they can't avoid hearing the harsh criticism of people like MTG, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Joe Rogan penetrating their once-impregnable MAGA bubble.

But this is how it is with every fascist movement....they eventually turn on each other.
The Biden corpse is propped in the shower. Don’t miss your turn, darlin’.
 

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