Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

TDSers don't watch actual press conferences they let CNN tell them what to think.

Oh smack!!! Damn. LOL

 

[Leo123]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

“Everyone” or those coming from hostile countries? I didnt mind the ban but I am biased.

The policy - the ban itself - is not the point. We can argue that til kingdom come. The point of failure was in it's roll out.

I do not recall it being a failure

The roll out was anything but smooth. Even his own agencies were caught by surprise with no direction or time to implement changes.

At homeland security hearing, McCaul calls Trump's travel ban rollout "problematic"

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, the top House Republican on homeland security issues, strongly criticized the Trump administration Monday for the chaotic rollout last month of a travel ban of mostly Muslim countries.

www.texastribune.org

Confusion over Trump's travel ban deepens

The roll-out of the president's order “was as chaotic on the inside as it looked on the outside," one career DHS official said.

www.politico.com

Chaos reigns amid legal battle over Trump's immigration ban

Many foreigners with visas remain stuck at U.S. airports in legal limbo.

www.usatoday.com

After weekend of chaos surrounding Trump's immigration ban, what's next?

Uncertainty reigned after Trump closed U.S. borders to people from seven Muslim-majority countries. What's next?

www.nbcnews.com

It had zero impact on me or my travels and I was traveling a ton for work then. I honestly never saw it firsthand. Did you?

No. But it affected people I work with.

Which is neither here nor there. It may not have effected you, but it affected thousands of other people, including the people tasked with implementing it who were caught be surprise. It's a stretch to call that roll out in any way "well done".

Ahh a hindsighter.....Professional idiots.

 

[Coyote]

sfgb

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

“Everyone” or those coming from hostile countries? I didnt mind the ban but I am biased.

The policy - the ban itself - is not the point. We can argue that til kingdom come. The point of failure was in it's roll out.

I do not recall it being a failure

The roll out was anything but smooth. Even his own agencies were caught by surprise with no direction or time to implement changes.

At homeland security hearing, McCaul calls Trump's travel ban rollout "problematic"

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, the top House Republican on homeland security issues, strongly criticized the Trump administration Monday for the chaotic rollout last month of a travel ban of mostly Muslim countries.

www.texastribune.org

Confusion over Trump's travel ban deepens

The roll-out of the president's order “was as chaotic on the inside as it looked on the outside," one career DHS official said.

www.politico.com

Chaos reigns amid legal battle over Trump's immigration ban

Many foreigners with visas remain stuck at U.S. airports in legal limbo.

www.usatoday.com

After weekend of chaos surrounding Trump's immigration ban, what's next?

Uncertainty reigned after Trump closed U.S. borders to people from seven Muslim-majority countries. What's next?

www.nbcnews.com

It had zero impact on me or my travels and I was traveling a ton for work then. I honestly never saw it firsthand. Did you?

No. But it affected people I work with.

Which is neither here nor there. It may not have effected you, but it affected thousands of other people, including the people tasked with implementing it who were caught be surprise. It's a stretch to call that roll out in any way "well done".

If it stopped one terrorist form coming into the US it is a success in my book. Again, I traveled at least 3x per week and never had an issue. I just Didn’t see it. I do See your POV.

It's NOT the policy itself - it is how it was rolled out.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

 

[Coyote]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

“Everyone” or those coming from hostile countries? I didnt mind the ban but I am biased.

The policy - the ban itself - is not the point. We can argue that til kingdom come. The point of failure was in it's roll out.

I do not recall it being a failure

The roll out was anything but smooth. Even his own agencies were caught by surprise with no direction or time to implement changes.

At homeland security hearing, McCaul calls Trump's travel ban rollout "problematic"

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, the top House Republican on homeland security issues, strongly criticized the Trump administration Monday for the chaotic rollout last month of a travel ban of mostly Muslim countries.

www.texastribune.org

Confusion over Trump's travel ban deepens

The roll-out of the president's order “was as chaotic on the inside as it looked on the outside," one career DHS official said.

www.politico.com

Chaos reigns amid legal battle over Trump's immigration ban

Many foreigners with visas remain stuck at U.S. airports in legal limbo.

www.usatoday.com

After weekend of chaos surrounding Trump's immigration ban, what's next?

Uncertainty reigned after Trump closed U.S. borders to people from seven Muslim-majority countries. What's next?

www.nbcnews.com

It had zero impact on me or my travels and I was traveling a ton for work then. I honestly never saw it firsthand. Did you?

No. But it affected people I work with.

Which is neither here nor there. It may not have effected you, but it affected thousands of other people, including the people tasked with implementing it who were caught be surprise. It's a stretch to call that roll out in any way "well done".

Ahh a hindsighter.....Professional idiots.

Typical reply from a Trump Cultist.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

Why do you not answer? Did you watch it? I explained How. What part of my explanation was not clear? If my oldest says dad I promise to clean my room in 1 hour and then it takes her 3 and she says sorry but my sister really trashed it worse than I thought...is she not taking responsibility and then explaining why it took longer?

 

[flacaltenn]

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Except that NEVER got fixed.. Got personal experience with it.. The whole "Marketplace" is INTRUSIVE, OPAQUE and one sided in terms of who's offering up their entire personal data and financials in exchange for MORONS tending the phone lines that can't use a calculator...

Quite a bit different from dealing with a LICENSED insurance broker with a LIFETIME of experience and knowledge.. And -- if you're close to economic disaster -- USING that crappy product will bankrupt you if you NEED to use it with the increasing deductibles and Co-Insurance..

You have to REAPPLY EVERY YEAR and file additional IRS forms that MIGHT have surprises in them as to what you owe... Because the "subsidy levels" are a big fucking secret and the CHOICES of plans are non-existent in most areas...

 

[flacaltenn]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

Only IF your band of hounds HOUNDED him on his mistakes.. He's been UNjustly hounded on stuff that never happened since BEFORE he took office..

Only mistake WORTH apologizing for was the stupid request to the Ukranians...

 

[airplanemechanic]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

Obama did it for 6 years and the left had no issues whatsoever.

 

[justoffal]

Not once, ever.

He will pay for this come November, and possibly beyond.

By being re-elected?

Jo

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

 

[Erinwltr]

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Except that NEVER got fixed.. Got personal experience with it.. The whole "Marketplace" is INTRUSIVE, OPAQUE and one sided in terms of who's offering up their entire personal data and financials in exchange for MORONS tending the phone lines that can't use a calculator...

Quite a bit different from dealing with a LICENSED insurance broker with a LIFETIME of experience and knowledge.. And -- if you're close to economic disaster -- USING that crappy product will bankrupt you if you NEED to use it with the increasing deductibles and Co-Insurance..

You have to REAPPLY EVERY YEAR and file additional IRS forms that MIGHT have surprises in them as to what you owe... Because the "subsidy levels" are a big fucking secret and the CHOICES of plans are non-existent in most areas...

Yes it did. I Used the Marketplace last year for my brother. The website worked just fine and I spoke with knowledgeable folks on the phone. The plans for VA were clear, concise and well thought out.

 

[Coyote]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

Only IF your band of hounds HOUNDED him on his mistakes.. He's been UNjustly hounded on stuff that never happened since BEFORE he took office..

Only mistake WORTH apologizing for was the stupid request to the Ukranians...

He was no more persecuted than Obama. And remember, your band hounded Obama for mistakes that happened before he took office, and for blaming his predecessor, so that just doesn’t fly. Clinton and Bush were hounded as well. Trump is probably the most excused president ever With an automatic defense rate of close to 100%.

That is the only mistake worth taking responsibility for? I disagree. No president is perfect, they all screw up, but what makes a difference in my view is whether they own it, and move to change. That is a mark of leadership.

I gave good examples in post 265 I think. The roll out of his “Muslim” ban, which was chaotic, poorly done, left the associated agencies caught flat footed and thousands of travelers stranded and unsure of whether they could return home. The other was the roll out of Trump’s unique “100%“ family seperation policy on migrant families, rolled out in a similar chaotic fashion, with no forewarning to border patrol or HHS, no plans for tracking, housing, thousands of children, no budget allocations to prepare, everyone scrambling to figure out what to do.

Two instances, where the roll out was badly done. Not taking responsibility means...you don’t think you did anything wrong.

If you don’t think you you did anything wrong, you have nothing to change.

Is that a good leadership quality?

 

[Coyote]

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Except that NEVER got fixed.. Got personal experience with it.. The whole "Marketplace" is INTRUSIVE, OPAQUE and one sided in terms of who's offering up their entire personal data and financials in exchange for MORONS tending the phone lines that can't use a calculator...

Quite a bit different from dealing with a LICENSED insurance broker with a LIFETIME of experience and knowledge.. And -- if you're close to economic disaster -- USING that crappy product will bankrupt you if you NEED to use it with the increasing deductibles and Co-Insurance..

You have to REAPPLY EVERY YEAR and file additional IRS forms that MIGHT have surprises in them as to what you owe... Because the "subsidy levels" are a big fucking secret and the CHOICES of plans are non-existent in most areas...

I am not going to argue with you this, I know your personal experiences have been bad, and mine not, so I agree, there are problems, But I will add that like iceberg rightly pointed out with the testing timeline, it isn’t always dependent on just the president but Congress, states, other agencies. With ACA, then and 10years later, we are faced with a Congress that has steadfastly refused to pass anything whatsoever to fix and in fact done the opposite to chip away at it with nothing whatsoever in place should it go.

And, that gets back to responsibility. ACA was Obama’s, he owns it. And he was responsible for a poor confusing chaotic roll out. But who is responsible for not fixing it?

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

I explained how in a prior post and used my kids as an example.

 

[mudwhistle]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?