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we all are. our culture today makes everything - and i mean EVERYTHING - a fight. we fight to see the worst in who we hate while we only show off our best and demand people only see that.Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.
Except that NEVER got fixed.. Got personal experience with it.. The whole "Marketplace" is INTRUSIVE, OPAQUE and one sided in terms of who's offering up their entire personal data and financials in exchange for MORONS tending the phone lines that can't use a calculator...
Quite a bit different from dealing with a LICENSED insurance broker with a LIFETIME of experience and knowledge.. And -- if you're close to economic disaster -- USING that crappy product will bankrupt you if you NEED to use it with the increasing deductibles and Co-Insurance..
You have to REAPPLY EVERY YEAR and file additional IRS forms that MIGHT have surprises in them as to what you owe... Because the "subsidy levels" are a big fucking secret and the CHOICES of plans are non-existent in most areas...
I am not going to argue with you this, I know your personal experiences have been bad, and mine not, so I agree, there are problems, But I will add that like iceberg rightly pointed out with the testing timeline, it isn’t always dependent on just the president but Congress, states, other agencies. With ACA, then and 10years later, we are faced with a Congress that has steadfastly refused to pass anything whatsoever to fix and in fact done the opposite to chip away at it with nothing whatsoever in place should it go.
And, that gets back to responsibility. ACA was Obama’s, he owns it. And he was responsible for a poor confusing chaotic roll out. But who is responsible for not fixing it?
In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.
MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.www.valleynewslive.com
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...www.marketwatch.com
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
The Dems have been attacking Trump for things that he did not do.Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?
Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.
John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.
Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.
Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:
- The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
- The BP oil spill in 2010
- Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
- The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
- The VA scandal in 2014
- Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
- The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
- The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016
Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?
By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
The Dems have been attacking Trump for things that he did not do.Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?
Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.
John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.
Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.
Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:
- The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
- The BP oil spill in 2010
- Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
- The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
- The VA scandal in 2014
- Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
- The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
- The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016
Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?
He doesn't have to take responsibility for things that he didn't do.
Yes it did. I Used the Marketplace last year for my brother. The website worked just fine and I spoke with knowledgeable folks on the phone. The plans for VA were clear, concise and well thought out.Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.
Except that NEVER got fixed.. Got personal experience with it.. The whole "Marketplace" is INTRUSIVE, OPAQUE and one sided in terms of who's offering up their entire personal data and financials in exchange for MORONS tending the phone lines that can't use a calculator...
Quite a bit different from dealing with a LICENSED insurance broker with a LIFETIME of experience and knowledge.. And -- if you're close to economic disaster -- USING that crappy product will bankrupt you if you NEED to use it with the increasing deductibles and Co-Insurance..
You have to REAPPLY EVERY YEAR and file additional IRS forms that MIGHT have surprises in them as to what you owe... Because the "subsidy levels" are a big fucking secret and the CHOICES of plans are non-existent in most areas...
He was no more persecuted than Obama.
He was no more persecuted than Obama.
Sorry.. Gotta stop reading right there.. It's a deficit in your honest or knowledge that I don't have enough time in this world to fix...
He was no more persecuted than Obama.
Sorry.. Gotta stop reading right there.. It's a deficit in your honest or knowledge that I don't have enough time in this world to fix...
It is not a deficit in knowledge, it is a difference in perspective. Most Trump supporters were pretty blind, if not actively condoning, to the attacks on Obama. The Republicans made a concerted and unified effort to oppose anything and everything he put forth.
I am sure I have as much honesty and knowledge as you, I just don't happen to be a Trump supporter, and I have a different view of his behavior than you do as a supporter. I am sure the same (vice versa) applies to our perspectives on Obama.
Trump has handled the Corona Crisis very well.The Dems have been attacking Trump for things that he did not do.Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?
Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.
John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.
Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.
Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:
- The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
- The BP oil spill in 2010
- Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
- The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
- The VA scandal in 2014
- Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
- The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
- The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016
Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?
He doesn't have to take responsibility for things that he didn't do.
I pointed out specific things he DID do - care to address them?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven.
It is proven to work for many people. I disagree. If the MDs are prescribing it, use i! Earlier meaning when? Who said we should social distance earlier?By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?
By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?
No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?
I would counsel all TDSers to refuse taking the drug if they come down with Coronavirus. Kind of a Darwin thing.Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven.
Been there done that with you.. You never answered any any of my observations about its safety, side effects, and drug interactions being almost completely known.. Or the observations I made about "clinical testing" not being DESIGNED for emergencies like this and COULD BE IMMORAL because of the need for randomly choosing placebo patients...
Would YOU counsel a loved one to avoid it and take the risk of dying on a ventilator??? When thousands of doctors in the trenches in Italy, Spain, France AND the US are reporting good results???
Oh come on now, Obama got a free ride from the MSM he faced nothing like the onslaught that MSM has unleashed on Trump. Obama lied about Obamacare, lied to the world about America on his apology tour, lied about cops being racist and was racist himself. Yet he still qualified as the Democrat 'magic Negro' because (as Biden said) he was the first clean articulate Negro he had ever seen. Oh brother...He was no more persecuted than Obama.
Sorry.. Gotta stop reading right there.. It's a deficit in your honest or knowledge that I don't have enough time in this world to fix...
It is not a deficit in knowledge or honesty (low blow dude), it is a difference in perspective. Many Trump supporters were pretty blind to, if not actively supporting, the attacks on Obama (which they felt he deserved). The Republicans made a concerted and unified effort to oppose anything and everything he put forth.
I am sure I have as much honesty and knowledge as you, I just don't happen to be a Trump supporter, and I have a different view of his behavior than you do as a supporter. I am sure the same (vice versa) applies to our perspectives on Obama.
By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.During his Town Hall on Fox News.He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.Can you provide some examples then?
Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.
Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.
Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.
Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.
In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?
When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.
Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.
Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?
Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off
Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.
I am questioning the stats for sure
Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.
That is not taking responsibility.
When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).
Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.
Has he ever?
So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.
Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?
This Town Hall?
Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt
Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...
So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.
How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.
To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?
How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.
How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?
Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?
Oh come on now, Obama got a free ride from the MSM he faced nothing like the onslaught that MSM has unleashed on Trump. Obama lied about Obamacare, lied to the world about America on his apology tour, lied about cops being racist and was racist himself. Yet he still qualified as the Democrat 'magic Negro' because (as Biden said) he was the first clean articulate Negro he had ever seen. Oh brother...He was no more persecuted than Obama.
Sorry.. Gotta stop reading right there.. It's a deficit in your honest or knowledge that I don't have enough time in this world to fix...
It is not a deficit in knowledge or honesty (low blow dude), it is a difference in perspective. Many Trump supporters were pretty blind to, if not actively supporting, the attacks on Obama (which they felt he deserved). The Republicans made a concerted and unified effort to oppose anything and everything he put forth.
I am sure I have as much honesty and knowledge as you, I just don't happen to be a Trump supporter, and I have a different view of his behavior than you do as a supporter. I am sure the same (vice versa) applies to our perspectives on Obama.
