Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[flacaltenn]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

When did Trump push the drug OVER the advice of medical professionals? Every time he mentioned it in is press conferences his advice is for patients to consult their doctors before taking it. Did you not see any of the daily press conferences? I have watched every one of them and I can tell you that the MSM does not report them accurately. Hopefully that is not where you are getting your news from.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

 

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Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

When did Trump push the drug OVER the advice of medical professionals? Every time he mentioned it in is press conferences his advice is for patients to consult their doctors before taking it. Did you not see any of the daily press conferences? I have watched every one of them and I can tell you that the MSM does not report them accurately. Hopefully that is not where you are getting your news from.

I think he directly contradicted Fauci on it, but I'll have to look it up, and that's kind of derailing this thread as there are plenty of good threads already about it.

This is about taking responsibility.

 

[Leo123]

He was no more persecuted than Obama.

Sorry.. Gotta stop reading right there.. It's a deficit in your honest or knowledge that I don't have enough time in this world to fix...

It is not a deficit in knowledge or honesty (low blow dude), it is a difference in perspective. Many Trump supporters were pretty blind to, if not actively supporting, the attacks on Obama (which they felt he deserved). The Republicans made a concerted and unified effort to oppose anything and everything he put forth.

I am sure I have as much honesty and knowledge as you, I just don't happen to be a Trump supporter, and I have a different view of his behavior than you do as a supporter. I am sure the same (vice versa) applies to our perspectives on Obama.

Oh come on now, Obama got a free ride from the MSM he faced nothing like the onslaught that MSM has unleashed on Trump. Obama lied about Obamacare, lied to the world about America on his apology tour, lied about cops being racist and was racist himself. Yet he still qualified as the Democrat 'magic Negro' because (as Biden said) he was the first clean articulate Negro he had ever seen. Oh brother...

I would disagree. Obama was vilified in the rightwing media, attacked with images of nooses, burning effigies, disgusting protest signs, and birtherism. Even as you say - an "apology tour" which was hardly that. We will view it differently - you from your defensive pro-Trump pedestal and me from my pro-Obama pedestal.

Which Republicans tried to remove him from office? Yes the rightwing media attacked Obama but that was nothing like we see now with a concerted effort by the MSM coupled with Democrat talking points that try to stab at Trump every day. Heck, the Democrats spent 3 YEARS and millions of our tax dollars trying to prove that Trump was a Russian asset! Then they impeached Trump on a fake, one-party coup vote. Not one Republican voted to have Trump removed from office. Now they are trying (as you seem to be) to accuse him of actually prescribing drugs!!! It is really shameful and not at all like the flak that Obama received.

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

He did not go against medical professionals as I have already posted.

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

When did Trump push the drug OVER the advice of medical professionals? Every time he mentioned it in is press conferences his advice is for patients to consult their doctors before taking it. Did you not see any of the daily press conferences? I have watched every one of them and I can tell you that the MSM does not report them accurately. Hopefully that is not where you are getting your news from.

I think he directly contradicted Fauci on it, but I'll have to look it up, and that's kind of derailing this thread as there are plenty of good threads already about it.

This is about taking responsibility.

Fauci contradicted himself on many occasions so......there is that.

 

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Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Edit... THe OTHER unproven science is the whole EXPERIMENT of "social distancing".. Which is WHY the models FAILED in the 1st place... If you could suppress the TDS long enough to WATCH Dr. Birx at a WH press opportunity yesterday -- SHE ADMITTED that the entire "social distancing" experiment was PURELY ACADEMIC prior to this event.. If we had MEASUREMENTS of efficacy for it -- the models would have SOME predictive ability...

In short -- EVERYONE in charge is "winging itt" if you DEMAND rigid scientific PROOF

No shit sister.

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Thank you for that. My job requires me to make statistical models and they are only as good as the available data at the time of gathering. In the case of Coronavirus we have only a small sampling of data that those models are based upon and there is no way of predicting anything with such a scant population of data. IF, somehow, we are able to test everyone in the U.S. then the model will become more accurate for the time the data is collected.....In order to have a fairly predictive model one has to collect a large population of data at different times under different conditions......This is what manufacturers do with their NC machines because the data can be collected over and over and over and after a while, trends can be identified. In fact, I question the use of statistical modeling at all for this so-called Pandemic.

 

[flacaltenn]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Thank you for that. My job requires me to make statistical models and they are only as good as the available data at the time of gathering. In the case of Coronavirus we have only a small sampling of data that those models are based upon and there is no way of predicting anything with such a scant population of data. IF, somehow, we are able to test everyone in the U.S. then the model will become more accurate for the time the data is collected.....In order to have a fairly predictive model one has to collect a large population of data at different times under different conditions......This is what manufacturers do with their NC machines because the data can be collected over and over and over and after a while, trends can be identified. In fact, I question the use of statistical modeling at all for this so-called Pandemic.

The stats are ALWAYS unwound after all the noise and smoke clears on epidemics.. I was SHOCKED to see the Stats for the just ended NORMAL flu season.. The variance and uncertainty THERE just floored me.. Something like estimates of "hospital admissions" ranging from 400,000 to 720,000 !!!

So frankly, I'm a bit scared here as to the total amount of "winging it" going on here that based on a COUPLE medical experts whose job is to SLAY RISK to the public until it's nonexistent..

Even KUDLOW and the ECON guys won't even ATTEMPT to model what an economic recovery from a total 45 DAY NATIONAL shutdown looks like... It's ALL Ad Hoc and flying by the seat of your pants.. All that ACADEMIC stuff right now is secondary to TRYING things..

 

[Leo123]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Thank you for that. My job requires me to make statistical models and they are only as good as the available data at the time of gathering. In the case of Coronavirus we have only a small sampling of data that those models are based upon and there is no way of predicting anything with such a scant population of data. IF, somehow, we are able to test everyone in the U.S. then the model will become more accurate for the time the data is collected.....In order to have a fairly predictive model one has to collect a large population of data at different times under different conditions......This is what manufacturers do with their NC machines because the data can be collected over and over and over and after a while, trends can be identified. In fact, I question the use of statistical modeling at all for this so-called Pandemic.

The stats are ALWAYS unwound after all the noise and smoke clears on epidemics.. I was SHOCKED to see the Stats for the just ended NORMAL flu season.. The variance and uncertainty THERE just floored me.. Something like estimates of "hospital admissions" ranging from 400,000 to 720,000 !!!

So frankly, I'm a bit scared here as to the total amount of "winging it" going on here that based on a COUPLE medical experts whose job is to SLAY RISK to the public until it's nonexistent..

Even KUDLOW and the ECON guys won't even ATTEMPT to model what an economic recovery from a total 45 DAY NATIONAL shutdown looks like... It's ALL Ad Hoc and flying by the seat of your pants.. All that ACADEMIC stuff right now is secondary to TRYING things..

Yes and I would add, who makes a graph with 2 bell curves as we saw the doctor show at a press conference. Especially when she said the one bell curve is what COULD happen. After that, I didn't believe anything shown.

 

[flacaltenn]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Thank you for that. My job requires me to make statistical models and they are only as good as the available data at the time of gathering. In the case of Coronavirus we have only a small sampling of data that those models are based upon and there is no way of predicting anything with such a scant population of data. IF, somehow, we are able to test everyone in the U.S. then the model will become more accurate for the time the data is collected.....In order to have a fairly predictive model one has to collect a large population of data at different times under different conditions......This is what manufacturers do with their NC machines because the data can be collected over and over and over and after a while, trends can be identified. In fact, I question the use of statistical modeling at all for this so-called Pandemic.

The stats are ALWAYS unwound after all the noise and smoke clears on epidemics.. I was SHOCKED to see the Stats for the just ended NORMAL flu season.. The variance and uncertainty THERE just floored me.. Something like estimates of "hospital admissions" ranging from 400,000 to 720,000 !!!

So frankly, I'm a bit scared here as to the total amount of "winging it" going on here that based on a COUPLE medical experts whose job is to SLAY RISK to the public until it's nonexistent..

Even KUDLOW and the ECON guys won't even ATTEMPT to model what an economic recovery from a total 45 DAY NATIONAL shutdown looks like... It's ALL Ad Hoc and flying by the seat of your pants.. All that ACADEMIC stuff right now is secondary to TRYING things..

Yes and I would add, who makes a graph with 2 bell curves as we saw the doctor show at a press conference. Especially when she said the one bell curve is what COULD happen. After that, I didn't believe anything shown.

They gotta guess.. But it's at least as dangerous, if not MORE, than Trump telling the country about promising therapies... One thing the models DO well is take the "time lags" into effect.. Hospitalizations LAG reported cases.. Deaths LAG hospitalizations.. And they DO HAVE those numbers.. So the "curves" are more "Rayleigh distributed" because of these lags...

I guess you're looking the IHME projections, which is what she uses.. What she SHOULD be asserting to the MEDIA is to NOT USE the biggest or the SMALLEST numbers.. And I haven't really heard that caution.. Because FRANKLY -- they don't WANT to give hope right hope right now.. THey want to push along with the "stay at home" thing.. Which is FINE with me, but folks are gonna figure this out if they understand numbers/statistics.. And realize the projections are CHANGING almost daily...

 

[lantern2814]

I’ve seen some doctors trying to predict the numbers based on information from 1918. Not even considering the advances in medicine and treatment over the last 100 years. In the end it will have to be determined if shutting down most of the country was a vast overreaction. Some people calling for an 18 month shutdown don’t seem to realize that that would mean NOTHING comes back.

 

[Leo123]

I’ve seen some doctors trying to predict the numbers based on information from 1918. Not even considering the advances in medicine and treatment over the last 100 years. In the end it will have to be determined if shutting down most of the country was a vast overreaction. Some people calling for an 18 month shutdown don’t seem to realize that that would mean NOTHING comes back.

If I remember correctly, the original projections were based partly on Italy whose reportage of Coronavirus deaths has since become suspect.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

He always says talk to your doctor but as an observer I see it working. There is zero wrong with that.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

He always says talk to your doctor but as an observer I see it working. There is zero wrong with that.

Then that’s fine.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Edit... THe OTHER unproven science is the whole EXPERIMENT of "social distancing".. Which is WHY the models FAILED in the 1st place... If you could suppress the TDS long enough to WATCH Dr. Birx at a WH press opportunity yesterday -- SHE ADMITTED that the entire "social distancing" experiment was PURELY ACADEMIC prior to this event.. If we had MEASUREMENTS of efficacy for it -- the models would have SOME predictive ability...

In short -- EVERYONE in charge is "winging itt" if you DEMAND rigid scientific PROOF

No shit sister.

^^^This^^^

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

He always says talk to your doctor but as an observer I see it working. There is zero wrong with that.

Then that’s fine.

But that has always been the case? Thank you for agreeing. Maybe you do have some logic in you.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Edit... THe OTHER unproven science is the whole EXPERIMENT of "social distancing".. Which is WHY the models FAILED in the 1st place... If you could suppress the TDS long enough to WATCH Dr. Birx at a WH press opportunity yesterday -- SHE ADMITTED that the entire "social distancing" experiment was PURELY ACADEMIC prior to this event.. If we had MEASUREMENTS of efficacy for it -- the models would have SOME predictive ability...

In short -- EVERYONE in charge is "winging itt" if you DEMAND rigid scientific PROOF

No shit sister.

Maybe you should give your own TDS (Trump Defense Syndrome) a rest here Instead of blaming any and all criticism of Trump as “hate”. Geez...you could only come up with one thing you thought he did wrong for God sakes and you accuse me of TDS? No wonder his supporters refuse to hold him accountable. EVER.

My objection is that I am pretty skeptical miracles touted by snake oil salesmen when they are not supported by good data. And, if it leads to dangerous behavior because people believe a dose of quinine will fix it.

And of course there are a lot of unknowns in dealing with this pandemic, who is arguing that? We have never been through this before. I certainly don’t envy the President and state governors in trying to make the determination between public health risks and jobs/economy.

Don’t ever get tired of blaming everything on the Dems? Is that your own version of TDS? Defend Trump at all costs?

 

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Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

He does but not for adverse actions or what some perceive to be adverse actions. He took responsibility for our deficit and was frustrated with it for example.

Where did he take responsibility for the deficit?

During his Town Hall on Fox News.

This Town Hall?

Trump blames Obama for federal debt and leaves entitlement-program cuts shrouded in doubt

Reminded at the Fox News town hall this week in Scranton, Pa., that he likely can’t reduce the debt without cutting entitlement programs, like Social...

www.marketwatch.com

Yeah. Did you watch it. He said he was disappointed he could not get the surplus but he took over a bad situation. He still took responsibility for not achieving the surplus and explained why he didn’t. Did you actually watch it? If not, do so.

So...he took responsibility by blaming his predecessor.

He took responsibility for promising to do something he didn’t do and explained why he could not do it. What would you call it?

How is blaming your predecessor taking responsibility? Never heard that being called "taking responsibility" before.

He said and I paraphrase: lt is disappointing and we need to do better but the military was just in such bad shape that we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let go.

To me it is taking responsibility. I agree that the prior administration didn’t prioritize the military. Did you watch the Town Hall?

How is that taking responsibility? He is giving an explanation - and, making an excuse.

He was explaining how he took responsibility. "we needed to spend more to get back to where it needed to be because the last administration really let it go." But we know it doesn't matter what he does TDSers will still find a reason to hate him and anyone who voted for him. Buncha children.

How is that taking responsibility for the current situation?

In what way is it Trump's responsibility when Democrats all over the country have tried to sabotage everything he does to protect us from the coronavirus?

How, specifically, have they tried to sabotage him in regards to Covid19 policies?

By stating he should have started the social distancing sooner and that Hydrox doesn't work when it does.

Hydrox is unproven and it's not just Democrats who didn't sign on to it. It's fine to use - but it's also fair to say it's unproven. How is saying social distancing should have started earlier (which is true, but up to individual states and municipal areas, not the president) and is a criticism levied by both parties - sabotaging him?

No it is not 'unproven' doctors are reporting that most cases are cured with it with no side affects. It is more correct to say it is not FDA approved specifically for treatment of the Coronavirus however the FDA did approve it for off label use. It won't be officially 'approved' until FDA mandated double-blind testing is done. As usual, the Devil is in the details here, some want to blame Trump for pushing an 'unapproved' drug but that is only a half truth and, as usual, the TDSers gloom onto that like flies on shit.

Unproven is accurate because what we have are anecdotal claims. Since it's harmless, I see no issue with it. But pushing an unproven drug OVER the statements of medical professionals, is not a good idea.

Is Trump a doctor now?

OK.. I see.. This is all about Trump... Good luck with that...

I'm uncomfortable with politicians touting medicine and going against medical professionals. Trump is the first I've known to do that.

Sorry for coming at you for this -- but it's old and tiresome.. If Trump DEMANDED that people don't blow thru stop signs, all the TDS'ers would be doing it.. You are SO consumed by the politics, that you won't do the defensive thing to save your life or others..

Lemme explain...

Ya know what ELSE IS UNPROVEN??? This entire govt bureaucratic RESPONSE to COVID is "unproven".. Based on modeling that is FAILING so badly, that the modelers have to REVISE their estimates on ALMOST a daily basis.. WHY? Because the MODELS are "educated guesses".. NOT scientific facts.. But that didn't stop the media from grabbing at the WORST CASE NUMBERS and playing on the public fears...

I've done a lot of modeling in more than 4 or 5 different disciplines.. And if you have to REVISE your models constantly, they have very little "predictive value"... Means (in terms of HCQuine) that their "efficacy" SUCKS...

And YET -- we've done a sedation of the entire country, made governors pee their pants over the models.. Financially put 10s of Million at economic risk, because of "unproven" models..

Not JUST the models for deaths and spread... The CDC IS GUESSING at a mortality rate by ESTIMATING the the #infections = (ABOUT) #reported X 2... RIGHT NOW -- there is vibrant scientific debate that the factor of 2 might be more like 10 or even 40... It's NOT "proven" and it's NOT settled science...

But you're here pushing this HCQuine cart UPHILL in a blizzard because you HATE Trump for offering that hope.. That's your burden sis.. But you're SERIOUSLY being selective about what is scientific proof and missing the entire AD HOC nature of the guessing that we're exploring right now as a nation...

Edit... THe OTHER unproven science is the whole EXPERIMENT of "social distancing".. Which is WHY the models FAILED in the 1st place... If you could suppress the TDS long enough to WATCH Dr. Birx at a WH press opportunity yesterday -- SHE ADMITTED that the entire "social distancing" experiment was PURELY ACADEMIC prior to this event.. If we had MEASUREMENTS of efficacy for it -- the models would have SOME predictive ability...

In short -- EVERYONE in charge is "winging itt" if you DEMAND rigid scientific PROOF

No shit sister.

Maybe you should give your own TDS (Trump Defense Syndrome) a rest here Instead of blaming any and all criticism of Trump as “hate”. Geez...you could only come up with one thing you thought he did wrong for God sakes and you accuse me of TDS? No wonder his supporters refuse to hold him accountable. EVER.

My objection is that I am pretty skeptical miracles touted by snake oil salesmen when they are not supported by good data. And, if it leads to dangerous behavior because people believe a dose of quinine will fix it.

And of course there are a lot of unknowns in dealing with this pandemic, who is arguing that? We have never been through this before. I certainly don’t envy the President and state governors in trying to make the determination between public health risks and jobs/economy.

Don’t ever get tired of blaming everything on the Dems? Is that your own version of TDS? Defend Trump at all costs?

Huh? You’re kidding, right?