Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[lantern2814]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
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initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
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so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
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just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

Poor baby. Grow up you lying ignorant Obozo shill. Crying about language when you and your fellow leftists use more foul language than anybody. Lame excuse because you have nothing. All you ever do is blame Trump for everybody else’s screwups. You have been given evidence and you just ignore it. Try learning something.

No one's crying. Unless it's you. But if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion try growing up a little. You never addressed the examples I gave of Trump's bad policy rollouts - so bad, the agencies affected were left flat footed and unprepared. Anything to say about that and should Trump take responsibility for it?

Maybe YOU should grow up and learn to say something other than “Trump bad”. You aren’t taken seriously as anything other than a blatant TDS suffering Obozo apologist. Grow up or STFU. Respect is not given, it’s earned. You’ve earned nothing.

 

[Coyote]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

The
Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
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so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
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just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Here's what a reasonable person would post, ignoring your grade school insults which comprise most of your posts.

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Trump was/is responsible for making sure our medical stockpile is adequately stocked. It doesn't matter if his predecessor didn't leave it fully stocked. It's Trump's job NOW. And for the past 3 years. I pointed out elsewhere that if you or I were in charge of something like that, and three years into our job, there was an emergency and the stockpile found to be deficient - we'd be fired. No boss is going to take "but but the guy before me left it empty" as a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Secondly - the issue of massive disorganization, communication at cross currents, and high turnover rates within this Administration is well documented. It exceeds the normal attrition that occurs in most administrations. When you have high turn over like that - you lose history, continuity, and public confidence. When you have an administration beset with infighting, and a president who consistently contradicts what his people say - you worsen the problem. And, as a last factor - assigning clearly incompetent and inexperienced people to a critical job like overseeing the pandemic response absolutely erodes public confidence. Pence - good choice. But now we have Jared Kushner - working his own "shadow" response team. WTH?

Ignoring the idiocy which all of your posts are, it was still OBOZO’S responsibility to replace what HE used up. So of course your “reasonable person’s response” is just to blame Trump and ignore the FACT that restocking was the responsibility of the guy who used them. Period. By your own idiotic assertion, if I eat the last cookie it’s the next guy looking for one who has to replace the empty box, not me. In the real world, that’s called shirking responsibility. Something Obozo was an expert at. Showing you to be a TDS suffering idiot is too easy.

Well, you can't say I didn't try but all I get from you is drivel and grade school insults in response.

Checking stock levels is the responsibility of the person in charge at any given time.

You don't take on a new job, without making sure important equipment and supplies are up to par. You don't wait 3 years to check. In fact those are the kinds of things that are probably (or should be) reviewed on an annual basis. You would be fired regardless of what your predecessor did. It's called personal responsibility, something that seems to evade Trump supporters these days. And NO boss is going to accept whining - of "but the guy before me left it empty".

in all fairness, do you leave one in shambles for someone to have to clean up? but - how was it given to obama? given we've *never* had to ramp up for anything like this in our past, it stands to reason it would fall to neglect. not out of irresponsibility but inaction.

There things I’ve discovered in these discussions. One is that claims are seldom as they appear on the surface (as you pointed out with theTrump and testing and Old Europe pointed out, above, with the claim made about Obama).

In reality, things are more complex, with different agencies involved and Congress’ own priorities.

The other is I really miss the “informative” button, but hopefully soon we will have it back.

But I don’t think we can say we never had to ramp up for something like in the past, we had the swine flu, and SARS and MERS as “practice runs” and we had warnings that we could run short of medical supplies should a pandemic hit. All of that means at the start of this administration someone should have been on top of it and checked supplies.

IMO...no one took it seriously. It was also pointed out in one of the articles I read, that the departing administration walked Trump aids through a pandemic scenario, but most of those aids are no longer there. This goes back to high turnover, lack of communication and continuity In the Administration.

if it was given to obama as such, i don't blame bush. how was it given to him. the point of the matter is we as a country or hell, world, have never faced anything like this. saying we should be prepared for something that has never happened is like bitching at oklahoma for not being prepared enough for 500 tornadoes at once.

I see your point, no one is really prepared the entirety of the effect this pandemic has on lives, jobs,the economy. It is a sobering moment.

it's never happened. how do you prepare? how do you make sure you're ready for something that has never happened? it would more seem the state of human nature in that no one has bitched about it since 1918, does every president come in and go "how are our pandemic supplies"? have we as a country *ever* made that a mandate or something someone needs to take on?

You can’t fully prepare, but can somewhat prepare, and that is why President Bush initiated a federal stockpile of emergency medical supplies and why specialists in infectious disease worked up worst case scenarios of how it could effect our nation, supply chains, economy. I honestly don’t know what you do about most of that, but you can do something about medical supplies. It just wasn’t a priority.

i don't blame trump. i don't blame obama before him or any president before them. this is all new and we need to learn from it, not blame people for it.

I agree.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

 

[mudwhistle]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America.

That isn’t the point. It isn’t about the policy itself, we can argue that elsewhere. It Is about how it was rolled out.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenophobe for that. He took responsibility for this. Everyone who doesn't hate Trump agrees this bought us time to prepare for covid19 in our country and was the right thing to do.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it? Did Obama take responsibility for "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?" You know, the lie of the year by politifact? I didn't see where he EVER said he did wrong and took responsibility for the lies.

So before you worry about Trump taking responsibility for nothing bad happening under his administration that he SHOULD take responsibility for, ask why Obama refused to do the same thing.

 

[Coyote]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

People are questioning the shut down right now. If it were done sooner it would have been pandemonium. I think We should return to normalcy by May 15 and by then we hopefully have antibody testing. We may vilify Trump but I think he has been great and transparent with daily updates. Where has congress been?

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

 

[Coyote]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

I think that 100% is. He took responsibility for a better economy? Do you mean negative responsibility? If Trump says Hydrox doesn’t work and needs more research the press would call it a miracle drug and that it works great. Cannot trust our press at all these days. Trump doesn’t bash himself. I agree. The press does enough for him.

Taking responsibility is not the same as taking credit. Taking responsibility for policies or actions that did not go well.

Has he ever?

Yes. When he fires people that he hired that didn’t work out. LOL. Admitting defeat or error is not who he is. I ll Give you that. Most CEOs are like that too. Ever see Jeff Bezos or Jamie Dimon admit they are wrong?

So essentially what you are saying is taking responsibility for mistakes is "not who he is" - in other words, he does not take responsibility.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

“Everyone” or those coming from hostile countries? I didnt mind the ban but I am biased.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Responsibility for what?

I watched the liberal assholes this morning saying the messiah obama had a plan for an epidemic, he was quoting out of a 1990s movie

Hi Bear, good to see you again

Responsibility for things that didn't go well. "The buck stops here" type of responsibility.

Once again he banned people from war torn countries and the liberals used him over it.

Did he take responsibility for any mistakes or things that didn't go well?

That's not the same as things others criticized him for, because if he didn't think he did anything wrong - he doesn't need to take responsibility.

What things haven't gone well since he was president? Before coronavirus he had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, highest GDP numbers, low inflation, etc. He's taken responsibility for that.

10 days after the first covid19 case in the US he banned all commercial travel from China, where it originated. Liberal media called him a xenaphobe for that. He took responsibility for this.

So by all means, what bad things does he need to take responsibility for because he was directly responsible for it happening? Or does it only count for you if its something BAD and he takes responsibility for it?

I'm getting tired of people jumping into threads without reading them. Through out the course of this thread I several times gave examples.

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.

Sure...but let's see....when did you ever do that? You had no problem being critical of Obama without offering improvements so that doesn't wash.

Clinton was able to work, and was handling the crisis in Kosovo during his impeachment. That is no excuse.

In addition, both examples I provided of badly done rollouts and policies were prior to impeachment. Do you have anything to say related to those examples?

Clinton had a problem with going overseas and throwing his weight around. I was deployed to Somalia when he took over the operation. In no time it quickly turned to shit. Instead of a peace-keeping mission, it turned into a armed forces expeditionary mission....a hunt for a warlord. Bill Clinton helped assassinate dozens of tribal leaders when they were trying to sue for peace. So the place turned into a Hornet's nest for us. When I first got there we could walk down the street unmolested , but after Bill Clinton...we had to wear armored vests and travel in tactical formation. We discovered why every other country sent their troops with fully armored APCs....and we were the only ones driving around in un-armored vehicles.

When it comes to Obama....we can all agree his roll-out of Obamacare was a total disaster. My suggestion to him would be not to fuck with the system that was working....but he was trying to take over 2/3rds of the economy through Single-payer health care. We can both admit Obama was a socialist but was afraid of it getting out. The issues I had with him are too numerous to list....and not one of them had to do with the color of his skin.

Lets take that one. I agree with you on that.

Now fast forward to the current administration. How did the roll out of Trump’s “Muslim ban” go?

It wasn't a Muslim ban.....it was a ban of people from specific regions that posed a threat to the US.

Aren't you wishing the Dems had listened to him about stopping some of these disease carrying illegals now?
Some think alot of this virus came into the US during those caravans from Central America. I also think this isn't the first flare-up. Senior citizens have been dying in greater numbers the last 3 winters.....most of them from lung infections. I think this is the 3rd cycle of the coronavirus.

MN Sen. Dr. says reported coronavirus deaths may be off

Minnesota Senator and Doctor Scott Jensen say he received a seven-page document from the Minnesota Department of Health on how doctors should go about filling out a cause of death certificate.

www.valleynewslive.com

I am questioning the stats for sure

Wrong thread dude this isn't about the corona virus.

I am saying he does take responsibility. He is the most open President we have ever had. With his tweets and constant press conferences.

That is not taking responsibility.

When has he ever taken responsibility for something? (ie not credit for).

What does he need to take responsibility for? What has he done wrong?

And where is the proof of Obama taking responsibility for Obamacare? Obama fucked up so much during his 8 years he BETTER have taken responsibility for something. Did he accept responsibility for fast and furious? Benghazi? I'm not reading through 24 pages of TDS bullshit. I googled it myself and found nothing. Not a single time where Obama said that Obamacare was the disaster that it was or that it was illegal as it was eventually ruled, that FAF was a clusterfuck or Benghazi was his administrations fault. So by all means, where is it or STFU.

Oh brother. I already gave several specific examples of things that did not go well. This isn't about Obama but, as one example - the roll out of ACA was very bad and confusing. He took responsibility for it.

Since you don't bother to read the thread before commenting - I'll reiterate.

One example of something Trump did badly was the roll out of his "Muslim ban" which left everyone flatfooted, caused chaos at airports where airport security had no idea what to do, left people stranded and unable to get home.

It was already shown to not be a muslim ban, that was a CNN thing so he has no need to apologize for that. Hell his base and most of the country supported it.

Got anything else? Did the media cover Obama with 97% negative coverage 24/7? If I were Trump I wouldn't apologize or accept responsibility for a damn thing that I did wrong, that would give the lame stream media even more to attack him with. Everyone was against him from day 1 and he worked miracles before coronavirus, bringing back manufacturing jobs that Obama said were gone forever.