For True Believers in Their Bibles Being the Literal Word of God.

[marvin martian]

the assertion "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" has no meaning

Basically, Jesus would be considered a socialist in the American society now. I think he would adore universal healthcare, wide social programs of helping the poor, extra taxing of the rich etc.

Of course jesus was a bleeding heart socialist in every way. Socialists and socialism are the traditional enemies of fascism, as is being promoted by Trump.

Build an apartheid wall!
Promote hate and racism!
Separate god's little children from their parents!

And do it all on the phony pretense of allowing the very wealthy to keep all of their money!

No wonder so many christians need to modify their christian beliefs to be conditional on the word of their Trump god.

you don't know anything about the Jesus that lived at that time to which the NT
refers. You seem to know a little sunday school

I know dick all about jesus or sunday school. But I 'do' know a true and unconditional believer from a backslider.

You take the whole schmeer, the 6000 year old earth, Noah's ark, creation exclusively, and the rest of it, or you accept none of it.

Would you care to make your choices known?

your all OR NUTHIN' is the product of a closed mind

He's a backwards, ignorant redneck.

 

[ESay]

Basically, Jesus would be considered a socialist in the American society now. I think he would adore universal healthcare, wide social programs of helping the poor, extra taxing of the rich etc.

I disagree, and the reason I disagree is that Jesus laid the responsibility of taking care of the ill, the hungry, the imprisoned on the individual, not on the government. Socialists abdicate personal responsibility while at the same time heavily burdening all of society with a top-heavy government and the resulting bureaucracy. Jesus was not speaking to the government, but to the individual, so let's not duck our own responsibilities.

Of course, I agree that personal responsibility is the core point of Jesus' teaching. And I don't want to say that he promoted the USSR-style socialism.

His socialism should go up from a personal level, when a person willingly contribute their share to help the poor and in need. There is a more popular term 'social democracy'. I think it fits the best.

 

[irosie91]

the assertion "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" has no meaning

Basically, Jesus would be considered a socialist in the American society now. I think he would adore universal healthcare, wide social programs of helping the poor, extra taxing of the rich etc.

True Pharisee Judaism is very socialist

Okay. I think that every religion that promotes high moral values should be a kind of 'socialiist'

take a look again-----they are

 

[ding]

Ding is a backslider and self-proclaimed non-believer in his bibles.

Really? Where did I proclaim that? Surely you can post a link, right?

Socialists are habitual liars. You can keep your doctor!

So now you are going to claim that you believe in the word of the god as written in your bibles?

That wasn't so hard now was it.

When will you backslide again and proclaim that your bible isn't the literal word of the god?

Now?

Or will it take you a few minutes to come up with another excuse for why you don't believe?

I'm going to claim you aren't a very good troll.

And I'm going to claim almost constant and complete control of your emotions. Go away! This thread was meant for believers, not the weak who have lost their faith in their bibles and their god.

Given that Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities I wouldn't have expected anything less from you. But since you are in a religion forum arguing about something you don't believe in your behaviors say that you are the one that is being controlled. Triggered by religion much?

 

[irosie91]

Ding is a backslider and self-proclaimed non-believer in his bibles.

Really? Where did I proclaim that? Surely you can post a link, right?

Socialists are habitual liars. You can keep your doctor!

So now you are going to claim that you believe in the word of the god as written in your bibles?

That wasn't so hard now was it.

When will you backslide again and proclaim that your bible isn't the literal word of the god?

Now?

Or will it take you a few minutes to come up with another excuse for why you don't believe?

I'm going to claim you aren't a very good troll.

And I'm going to claim almost constant and complete control of your emotions. Go away! This thread was meant for believers, not the weak who have lost their faith in their bibles and their god.

Given that Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities I wouldn't have expected anything less from you. But since you are in a religion forum arguing about something you don't believe in your behaviors say that you are the one that is being controlled. Triggered by religion much?

seems to me, DINGbat---that you are confusing the economic issue called socialism with
various forms thereof-----to wit, STALINISM ----or USSR communism, or MAOISM

 

[ding]

Ding is a backslider and self-proclaimed non-believer in his bibles.

Really? Where did I proclaim that? Surely you can post a link, right?

Socialists are habitual liars. You can keep your doctor!

So now you are going to claim that you believe in the word of the god as written in your bibles?

That wasn't so hard now was it.

When will you backslide again and proclaim that your bible isn't the literal word of the god?

Now?

Or will it take you a few minutes to come up with another excuse for why you don't believe?

I'm going to claim you aren't a very good troll.

And I'm going to claim almost constant and complete control of your emotions. Go away! This thread was meant for believers, not the weak who have lost their faith in their bibles and their god.

Given that Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities I wouldn't have expected anything less from you. But since you are in a religion forum arguing about something you don't believe in your behaviors say that you are the one that is being controlled. Triggered by religion much?

seems to me, DINGbat---that you are confusing the economic issue called socialism with
various forms thereof-----to wit, STALINISM ----or USSR communism, or MAOISM

The Socialist Phenomenon

 

[Donald H]

the assertion "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" has no meaning

Basically, Jesus would be considered a socialist in the American society now. I think he would adore universal healthcare, wide social programs of helping the poor, extra taxing of the rich etc.

True Pharisee Judaism is very socialist

Okay. I think that every religion that promotes high moral values should be a kind of 'socialist'.

Their jesus taught social responsibility for the poor and that could be the bug in the christians' subconscious minds that they haven't learned to be at peace with.

They attempt to set their minds at ease by donating to charities that will benefit the poor, but they know that the poverty in America continues to get worse and worse. Charity hasn't done the job that can only be done by socially responsible government, and never will.

The christians know very well that social reform is drastically needed.

Can Biden's initiatives on social reform succeed in America? The real christians must be subconscioiusly hoping that he succeeds.

There's no use pretending any longer that America sinks deeper and deeper into poverty for the working class and a lower quality of life.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

The US is already down to 15th.

 

[Donald H]

Agree! My grandfather was an atheist, there is an atheist uncle in my immediate family, I married an atheist. All are very good people. In my experience atheists acknowledge a lack of belief in God, but most have a strong belief in ethics and morality.

You're to be commended for that by atheists like me, but you will only suffer disdain from people such as your friend ding.

Or, he could understand that his best move would be to try to ignore it?

Had you said such a thing 100 years ago, you would have been chastised by Americans and by your church. Those are the words of a 'conditional' christian who has found it necessary to compromise on his beliefs and the traditional teaching of the catholic church.

However, you having said that speaks directly to the intent of this topic!

 

[ESay]

the assertion "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" has no meaning

Basically, Jesus would be considered a socialist in the American society now. I think he would adore universal healthcare, wide social programs of helping the poor, extra taxing of the rich etc.

True Pharisee Judaism is very socialist

Okay. I think that every religion that promotes high moral values should be a kind of 'socialist'.

Their jesus taught social responsibility for the poor and that could be the bug in the christians' subconscious minds that they haven't learned to be at peace with.

They attempt to set their minds at ease by donating to charities that will benefit the poor, but they know that the poverty in America continues to get worse and worse. Charity hasn't done the job that can only be done by socially responsible government, and never will.

The christians know very well that social reform is drastically needed.

Can Biden's initiatives on social reform succeed in America? The real christians must be subconscioiusly hoping that he succeeds.

There's no use pretending any longer that America sinks deeper and deeper into poverty for the working class and a lower quality of life.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

The US is already down to 15th.

It is pointless to expect any initiative from the government. The initiative should go from the bottom level. Local communities should be the first to help their neighbors.

 

[Donald H]

It is pointless to expect any initiative from the government. The initiative should go from the bottom level. Local communities should be the first to help their neighbors.

Regardless of your intent, I see it as the same old, same old copout. America has demonstrated clearly over many years that it's government isn't going to solve the problem that charity wouldn't and couldn't solve.

To expect it now in this time of huge division, hate, and racism is ridiculous. Biden's big initiatives will either succeed in bringing about the needed change, or America will continue to fail the working class people.

How many more decades are you willing to wait for local communities to do what is necessary?

 

[ESay]

It is pointless to expect any initiative from the government. The initiative should go from the bottom level. Local communities should be the first to help their neighbors.

Regardless of your intent, I see it as the same old, same old copout. America has demonstrated clearly over many years that it's government isn't going to solve the problem that charity wouldn't and couldn't solve.

To expect it now in this time of huge division, hate, and racism is ridiculous. Biden's big initiatives will either succeed in bringing about the needed change, or America will continue to fail the working class people.

How many more decades are you willing to wait for local communities to do what is necessary?

Well, that is a religion section and I think that discussions about Biden, government and its policies dont fit here. So, I will give as short answer as I can and let's agree to stop here.

I think that the US should move in the direction of significant increasing the states' sovereignty. The US should be the Union of virtually sovereign States.

 

[Donald H]

Well, that is a religion section and I think that discussions about Biden, government and its policies dont fit here. So, I will give as short answer as I can and let's agree to stop here.

I think that the US should move in the direction of significant increasing the states' sovereignty. The US should be the Union of virtually sovereign States.

Well, now I am clear on your intent. You have abandoned your notion of 'communities' being able to accomplish that which is needed, and elevated it one level up to 'sovereign states'.

Your philosophy is the same and my criticism of it remains the same. I won't restate what I said, for the same reason you kept it brief.

 

[Donald H]

Last call!
Are there any true and total believers in their bibles and their god?

We so far have nearly all christians responding on this thread claiming they are partial believers and backsliders.

Let your strong faith trump the mocking and derision you know you will face from your fellow Americans. The god isn't going to accept compromisers and believers of convenience.

 

[LittleNipper]

Last call!
Are there any true and total believers in their bibles and their god?

We so far have nearly all christians responding on this thread claiming they are partial believers and backsliders.

Let your strong faith trump the mocking and derision you know you will face from your fellow Americans. The god isn't going to accept compromisers and believers of convenience.

I am a true believer in GOD and HIS word as found in the Bible.

 

[Donald H]

Last call!
Are there any true and total believers in their bibles and their god?

We so far have nearly all christians responding on this thread claiming they are partial believers and backsliders.

Let your strong faith trump the mocking and derision you know you will face from your fellow Americans. The god isn't going to accept compromisers and believers of convenience.

I am a true believer in GOD and HIS word as found in the Bible.

Thank you for your reply! You're far from being alone and so the purpose of this thread is to bring out the true and complete believers in their god and their bibles.

Your faith obviously gives you the courage to unflinchingly face the cruel ridicule of atheists and backsliders such as Meriweather, ding, and a lot of the others. They fail to understand that any and all bible stories can be reconciled by the fact that the god can do anything and everything.

For example, this makes the 6000 year old earth theory possible at the same time that a 4.5 billion year old earth is well known reality.

The true potential of this thread will only be known when true christians like you begin to provide examples of how both science and the bible can be the truth.

Can you carry the conversation on in greater detail for the benefit of some other believers who haven't yet found the faith and courage to speak out?

 

[surada]

Hard to know.. The Bible has been redacted and amended many times.

Even Genesis had two separate stories.. one for Judah and one for Israel.
They were cobbled together about the 5th century BC.

Yes, one account seemed to focus more on physical; the other may have been addressing the spiritual. As far as Jesus, his philosophy was to seek out the lost; the healthy did not need a physician.

Scoff at the true believers at your own peril folks.
Nearly 40% of Americans understand that the bible hasn't changed, it's the backsliders interpretation of god's word that has changed, due to a lack of faith when challenged with modern science.

Ram Bam was pretty clear that when scientific fact clashed with Bible stories science took the lead.

He/she must be a backslider with little faith.
They're either real christians or not and this thread is a refuge for those who still believe in their bible and their god.

You don't know who Ram Bam was????

The Bible is a very rich group of documents.. Much richer than the average fundamentalist or Scofield preacher will allow.

You either believe the bible in it's enritety or you aren't a true christian believer. I'm tired of phony backsliders coming up with lame excuses or new original excuses for why they don't believe the word of the god.

This is the place to talk about it so the real believers will gain the strength to regain their faith.
Introduce your ram bam or bam bam or whoever/whatever that is.

Have you actually ever read the Bible? l should have realized you never heard of Ram Bam aka “Maimonides”.

Your theology isn't very old .. just since 1848. All you Scofiield types think the Christian Church was wrong for 1800 years.

 

[Donald H]

Have you actually ever read the Bible? l should have realized you never heard of Ram Bam aka “Maimonides”.

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No, of course I haven't and never will. I'm an atheist as you very well know. The closest I can come to knowing Ram Bam is in knowing Bam Bam who I believe was Fred Flintstones child.

Your theology isn't very old .. just since 1848. All you Scofiield types think the Christian Church was wrong for 1800 years.

[/QUOTE]

My theoly could be said to be anti-theology in that I'm a believer in science and Darsinian evolution.

My purpose with this thread is to helf in rescuing the true and completel believers in their bibles and their god, from backsliers like you.

 

[surada]

Have you actually ever read the Bible? l should have realized you never heard of Ram Bam aka “Maimonides”.

No, of course I haven't and never will. I'm an atheist as you very well know. The closest I can come to knowing Ram Bam is in knowing Bam Bam who I believe was Fred Flintstones child.

Your theology isn't very old .. just since 1848. All you Scofiield types think the Christian Church was wrong for 1800 years.

[/QUOTE]

My theoly could be said to be anti-theology in that I'm a believer in science and Darsinian evolution.

My purpose with this thread is to helf in rescuing the true and completel believers in their bibles and their god, from backsliers like you.
[/QUOTE]

LOLOL.. How? You don't even know what the Bible says.

 

[Donald H]

LOLOL.. How? You don't even know what the Bible says.
[/QUOTE]

I know that the bibles are the word of the god!
But that's an argument you'll have to take up with the true believers who have had enough faith to come out and prclaim it to be so.

An atheist like me is only going to agree with the parts of your beliefs you can stand behind.

Is there anything in your bible you aren't afraid of claiming to not be the word of the god?

If so then tell one of the real christians. You're wasting my time trying to convince me of the fact that your bibles are fictional nonsense.

 

[ding]

You're wasting my time trying to convince me of the fact that your bibles are fictional nonsense.

Seems to me you are the one wasting your time.