Zone1 Don't call yourself a Christian if you do these things (& never repent)

[Arlette]

I am lifted up to Heaven when praying those prayers. And the Our Father is in the Bible. So are portions of the Hail Mary

What's it like up there?

 

[1miseryindex]

I didn't say I couldn't say what a Christian is. I said it isn't given to me to say whether another person is a 'real Christian' or not. I do know that Jesus had a lot to say about judging, accusing, maligning others. I take seriously the admonition to judge not. I think Jesus took that one seriously. Matthew 7:5

And he cautioned us to not believe we are better than anybody else.

I'm fed up (and wondering if Jesus is also, probably) with this judging BS. A Christian absolutely HAS to judge btwn right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral. If someone does something bad but you don't want to "judge" and just let it go

you will be held accountable Some Day (for allowing society to go to Hell, literally)

 

[1miseryindex]

What's it like up there?

Let's just say it isn't like the often-hostile and un-Christian net forums

 

[Arlette]

Let's just say it isn't like the often-hostile and un-Christian net forums

Come on. Spill the beans.

 

[Foxfyre]

You're inventing your own excuses for being a backslider. There can only be one true interpretation of the bibles.

That one interpretation must vary according to which bible is the true word of the god.

Jesus was very big on common sense and pretty much rejected legalistic authoritarianism when it came to one's relationship with God.

Mark 12:
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

 

[Donald H]

Jesus was very big on common sense and pretty much rejected legalistic authoritarianism when it came to one's relationship with God.

Mark 12:
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

jesus must have foreseen the problem that would arise when Darwinian evolution could no longer be swept under the rug!

The Catholic church chose to accept it in whole and the rest of Christians are trying to sweep away just part of the truth.

Your personal amount of backsliding is your concern only.

 

[Foxfyre]

jesus must have foreseen the problem that would arise when Darwinian evolution could no longer be swept under the rug!

The Catholic church chose to accept it in whole and the rest of Christians are trying to sweep away just part of the truth.

Your personal amount of backsliding is your concern only.

I am always concerned about my sins. I try not to be judgmental about your judgmentalism.

 

[rampart]

Gatekeeper types are always so cringy. "Don't call yourself a blah blah blah if you yada yada yada." As if this dude is the authority and not just some mouth breather on the internet.

"don't call yourself a republican if you do not follow trump's orders" has assured democratic victory for a generation. millions of "rinos" will not vote for that internet mouth breather. ever.

 

[1miseryindex]

Jesus was very big on common sense and pretty much rejected legalistic authoritarianism when it came to one's relationship with God.

Really?

Following Jesus is often a losing proposition from the world POV. People often just write you off as nuts if you are "too into Jesus"

If we followed common sense all the time, no way would we choose to follow Jesus. Yes, He is the author of all "sense".. the author of all that is logical

But there is the way Jesus looks at logic and there is the way the world looks at it.. 2 very different things

 

[Foxfyre]

Really?

Following Jesus is often a losing proposition from the world POV. People often just write you off as nuts if you are "too into Jesus"

If we followed common sense all the time, no way would we choose to follow Jesus. Yes, He is the author of all "sense".. the author of all that is logical

But there is the way Jesus looks at logic and there is the way the world looks at it.. 2 very different things

And what does following Jesus being difficult have to do with him being big on common sense and not that much on legalism? He warned us following him would be difficult--Luke 9:57-58

 

[1miseryindex]

And what does following Jesus being difficult have to do with him being big on common sense and not that much on legalism? He warned us following him would be difficult--Luke 9:57-58

for one thing, Legalism, like all other (sometimes odd-sounding) terms need to be

DEFINED

Some say it is "legalism" that you have to do good works in order to get into Heaven. But right there in the Scriptures (which they purport to always go by )are such psgs as "Faith w/o works is dead" and etc, and "Be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect" (Mt 5:48)

 

[Blackrook]

A Christian defines himself as a Christian.

We can't go around telling people they're not really Christian.

 

[1miseryindex]

A Christian defines himself as a Christian.

We can't go around telling people they're not really Christian.

a big AMEN to that.

As much as I have learned about religious spiritual matters in the last couple decades, no way would I ever proclaim that some person or group is unsaved, implying they are hopeless! That is a textbook definition of ARROGANT.

People who don't even begin to study Catholicism (and there is much to study since it has been around since the time of the 12 and really, longer) think they are entitled to pronounce eternal judgments on all those who call themselves Catholic. Strangely, though.. I don't see them saying that about politicians like pelosi and biden who really ARE anti-Christ.. fake Catholics.

 

[1miseryindex]

And what does following Jesus being difficult have to do with him being big on common sense and not that much on legalism? He warned us following him would be difficult--Luke 9:57-58

Read the story of St (Benedict Joseph is his name, I believe, last name: LaBre

talk about someone who defied what is normally seen as common sense!

And yet miracles happened as soon as he died.

 

[JohnDB]

People been using the latest Bible app....

 

[ninja007]

a big AMEN to that.

As much as I have learned about religious spiritual matters in the last couple decades, no way would I ever proclaim that some person or group is unsaved, implying they are hopeless! That is a textbook definition of ARROGANT.

People who don't even begin to study Catholicism (and there is much to study since it has been around since the time of the 12 and really, longer) think they are entitled to pronounce eternal judgments on all those who call themselves Catholic. Strangely, though.. I don't see them saying that about politicians like pelosi and biden who really ARE anti-Christ.. fake Catholics.

IF YOU FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF THE RCC YOU ARE DEF NOT SAVED- SEE CHART A Summary Chart of the differences between Biblical Truth and Catholicism by Richard Bennett

 

[ninja007]

Roman Catholic Faith Examined MAIN HOMEPAGE

 

[ninja007]

 

[ninja007]

He asked the stubborn-hearted Pharisees who were blinded by religious tradition: "If I speak the truth, why do you not believe me?" (John 8:46). Then He exposed how corrupt their religion had become with this hard question: "Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Mat. 15:3). Possibly the most important question the Son of God ever asked was addressed to Peter: "Who do you say that I am?" (Mat. 16:15). The response to this question carries eternal consequences because Jesus warned: "if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins" (John 8:24). These questions must be answered correctly, not only by those lost in religion but by everyone else.

Hard Questions to Ask Good Catholics.​

Where do you go to find the truth about life's most critical issues?​

There is only one source that will never mislead you, never deceive you or try to control you. It is Christ and His Word (John 14:6;17:17). Jesus said: "If you abide in My word...you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:31-32). Free from what? Free from the bondage of religious deception. Knowledge of the truth is necessary to escape from the snare of the devil who holds people captive to do his will (2 Tim. 2:25-26). Satan uses deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ to blind people from the truth (2 Cor. 11:13-15). An example of this is how Rome falsely declares its Bishops to be successors of the "apostles of Christ." According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), "whoever listens to them is listening to Christ" (CCC, para. 862). The apostles had only two successors - Matthias who was chosen by the apostles and Paul who was chosen by Christ (Acts 9:1-19). Catholic bishops do not meet the qualifications for apostleship given in Acts 1:21-26. God warns us: "Do not trust in princes, in mortal man, in whom there is no salvation" (Psalm 146:3). Why the warning? Because "savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them" (Acts 20:29-30). In light of these warnings, a most critical question must be answered truthfully: Are you trusting Christ and His Word or man and his religious traditions?

Did you know there is only one way to be saved?​

God's Gospel is by grace through faith in one person (Eph. 2:8-9). The gift of eternal life is given freely to those who trust the eternal God incarnate - Jesus Christ - His virgin birth, His perfect life, His atoning death, and His glorious resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-4). The Lord Jesus is sufficient to save sinners completely and forever. Diametrically opposed to God's Gospel is the Catholic gospel which offers salvation through baptism. New born babes, who receive the sacrament of baptism, are said to be saved apart from personal faith in Jesus. The Catholic priest believes he is replacing the sovereign work of God by administering baptism. The sacrament "not only purifies all sins but also makes the neophyte a new creature, an adopted son of God who has become a partaker of the divine nature, a member of Christ and co-heir with Him and a temple of the Holy Spirit" (CCC, 1257, 1265).

Did you know those who distort the Gospel are condemned?​

This includes apostles, priests, popes, pastors, or angels (apparitions of Mary) from heaven. The apostle Paul warned: "there are some who...want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1:7-8). Catholics need to be warned that their clergy is under divine condemnation for adding works and sacraments to God's Gospel (CCC, 1129).

Did you know that Jesus put an end to the ordained priesthood?​

God's Word reveals that the veil of the temple that separated the Holy of Holies from sinful man was torn open by God (Mat. 27:51). Man can now come directly to God through faith in the shed blood of the Savior (Rom. 3:23- 26). Priests are no longer needed to offer sacrifices for sin (Heb. 10:18). The only legitimate priesthood which remains on earth is the royal priesthood of all believers. They offer sacrifices of praise and thanksgiving for being called out of darkness into the marvelous light of the Son (1 Pet. 2:9).

Do you really believe Catholic priests have the power to call the Lord Jesus down from heaven every day?​

According to Roman Catholic priest John O'Brien in his book Faith of Millions, "The priest...reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man...Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command."
Over 200,000 times each day, priests throughout the world believe they re-present Jesus on their altars as an offering for the sins of the living and the dead (CCC, 1371-1374). Again Catholics ignore God's Word which declares that Jesus "having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time for salvation not to bear sin" (Hebrews 9:28). The Bible also tells us how and when Jesus will appear. He will return the same way he left, immediately after the tribulation with power and great glory (Mat. 24:27-30; Acts 1:11). By the authority of God's Word, we must conclude that the Eucharist is a false Christ that is deceiving millions.

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when He said "It is finished" (John 19:30)?​

God's Word says: Jesus appeared once and offered Himself once to bear sins. His offering is not to be done again (Heb. 9:25-28). When Jesus "offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, [He] sat down at the right hand of God" (Heb. 10:12). Disregarding the infallible Word of God, Catholicism teaches: "the sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice. The victim is one and the same. In this divine sacrifice, the same Christ who offered himself once...is contained and offered in an unbloody manner" (1367).

Did you know Jesus has already obtained redemption for believers?​

Catholicism denies this by teaching: "The work of our redemption is carried on" every time the Eucharist is celebrated (CCC, 1405). God's Word declares: "He [Jesus] entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption" (Heb. 9:12). "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace" (Eph. 1:7).

Why do you call Jesus the Savior when you must save yourself?​

Catholicism teaches the sinner must "make satisfaction for" or "expiate" his sins. This satisfaction is also called "penance." (1459) "In this way they attained their own salvation and cooperated in saving their brothers" (1477). God's Word proclaims "There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Why do you believe a place called Purgatory can purify your sins?​

God's Word says "when He [Jesus] had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (Hebrews 1:3). "He gave Himself for us to... purify for Himself a people for His own possession" (Titus 2:14). "The blood of Jesus...cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7). These verses destroy the myth of Purgatory. Yet the Vatican continues to deceive Catholics by teaching they "must undergo purification [in Purgatory] to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC, 1030).

Why do you pray to Mary?​

Nowhere in the Bible do we see believers praying to anyone except God. Jesus taught us how to pray in the Sermon on the Mount. He instructed us to pray to the Father and not to use meaningless repetition (Mat. 6:7- 13). Yet Catholics are taught to pray the rosary which is made up of over 50 meaning-less and repetitious prayers to Mary.

Why aren't these Catholic traditions found in the 1st century Church?​

• Priests offering sacrifices for sins
• Indulgences remitting sin's punishment
• Church leaders were forbidden to marry
• Infallible Popes and Bishops

Did you know that whenever you believe a doctrine, you must also forsake that which opposes it?​

Scripture reveals that Jesus saves...

• by faith in Him, not baptism
• by His grace, not our merit
• by His finished work, not our works
• by His righteousness, not ours
• by His one offering for sin, not the Mass
• by His blood, not purgatory
• by His obedience, not ours
• by His Gospel, not man's perversion of it

Which Jesus will you trust?​

The Jesus of the Bible promises eternal life, the complete forgiveness of sins, a permanent right standing with God and the power to live a victorious life. The Catholic Jesus is a Jesus that was never preached by the Apostles (2 Cor. 11:4). This counterfeit Christ provides only conditional life, partial forgive- ness of sins, an ongoing need for priests and mediators, uncertainty, fear and doubt. Those who reject the true Jesus, who is clearly and conclusively revealed in His Word, will be judged accordingly. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "The word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

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Original article from Proclaiming the Gospel - Articles.

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Mike Gendron
For over 30 years, Evangelist Mike Gendron was a devout Roman Catholic and a strong defender of the "one true church." He was taught from a very early age, to trust and rely on the church, its priests, the sacraments, and his own good works for salvation. However in 1981 while attending an evangelical seminar, he realized the Bible is the supreme authority for knowing truth. His new excitement and hunger for the inspired word of God led him to help organize the very first Little Rock Scripture Study at a Catholic Church in Dallas. Mike soon realized that many of the teachings and traditions of the Catholic religion were not found in the Bible. After more study, he discovered the Roman Catholic plan of salvation was diametrically opposed to the Gospel of grace that is revealed in the Bible. After discerning that God seeks worshippers in spirit and truth, Mike left the Catholic Church in 1985 for a church where the true Gospel is proclaimed and the Scriptures are the final authority in all matters of faith.

In 1988 he left a successful career in corporate management to study at Dallas Theological Seminary. Four years later, during his last semester at DTS, Mike and his wife Janeʼs love for Catholics inspired them to begin a ministry that would point Catholics to the Lord Jesus Christ as their all sufficient Savior. Their hearts are now burdened for those who may be where they were for most of their life - eternally condemned and not even aware of it. Their international ministry, Proclaiming the Gospel, which is now 22 years old, has developed many resources to equip and encourage Christians to be effective witnesses to Roman Catholics.

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