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Yes, it is.The Catholic Church is not the original church.
I guess you "forgot" that Peter was the one chosen to be the first pope by Christ himself?The original church started with Christ. That original church, in case we don't understand history was still, at that time, VERY jewish. This is why Paul and Peter clashed in regarding if Gentiles should adhere to Old Covenant laws and traditions. What is funny is that the Catholic church SHOULD look to Paul as their first Pope, not Peter because Paul is more Catholic historically.
And you completely missed my point and you're putting words in Jesus' mouth.I guess you "forgot" that Peter was the one chosen to be the first pope by Christ himself?
"Thou art Peter and on this rock, I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."
And you completely missed my point and you're putting words in Jesus' mouth.
This response is still ignoring my point.Well, let's see if the Protestants do that (not that the following is the ONLY answer I have.. not hardly)
hmmmmm
I recall this weird notion of
Once saved always saved... words found NOWHERE in Scripture (nor is the concept of such there).
No, we are told to WORK (OMG, the 4 letter word)
WORK out our salvation with
OMG again
fear and trembling (Phil 2:12)
I think you've forgotten what Peter had literally just said before that.I guess you "forgot" that Peter was the one chosen to be the first pope by Christ himself?
"Thou art Peter and on this rock, I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."
Of course, works are important. Show me your faith without works and I'll show you my faith BY my works. Works, however, are not what grants a person salvation, lest any man should boast. IOW, when you stand before God at the judgement, you can list all of the wonderful things you did in His name, but without a relationship, He will simply say, "Depart from me, you evildoers, I never knew you". It's all about who you know, not what you do.Well, let's see if the Protestants do that (not that the following is the ONLY answer I have.. not hardly)
hmmmmm
I recall this weird notion of
Once saved always saved... words found NOWHERE in Scripture (nor is the concept of such there).
No, we are told to WORK (OMG, the 4 letter word)
WORK out our salvation with
OMG again
fear and trembling (Phil 2:12)
Peter was a Jew. Peter was a Christian. Christ appointed Peter the keeper of the keys. When Judaism and Christianity separated, it might be said Christians 'claimed' Peter. Obviously, the Jews did not. Christians followed Peter's way who taught the way of Christ being one with God, a stumbling block for Jews.Catholic church claims Peter as the first Pope. If this were correct as the RCC claims, than the RCC would be messianic Jews as Peter was still a.... Jew and argued with Paul about jewish traditions for Gentiles. Paul is more RCC than Peter was because the RCC is gentile. But keep claiming Peter as your first Pope.
I believe one would want to claim "Jesus", not Peter or Paul. They were only vessels of the gospel at the time.Peter was a Jew. Peter was a Christian. Christ appointed Peter the keeper of the keys. When Judaism and Christianity separated, it might be said Christians 'claimed' Peter. Obviously, the Jews did not. Christians followed Peter's way who taught the way of Christ being one with God, a stumbling block for Jews.
Do you wish to "claim" Peter, too? There is enough of him to go around.
Growth was due to the Apostles, of which Paul was one. Let's go back to the three thousand--many of whom may have had great influence as well. Paul is well known in later years because of his letters. Spoken words may have had just as great an influence--especially among those who weren't even aware of Paul in his day and age.Some might say that Paul is more responsible for the overall growth of the Church than Peter. Peter certainly preached the sermon of his life on the day of Pentecost when 3000 came into the Judaic sect. However, the global growth is due to Paul.
Basically, Paul worked within the Noachide laws for God Fearers (what Jews called Gentiles who attended at the Temple of synagogues). Basically Peter and Paul came to agree that no one had to become a Jew to become a follower of Christ. Christianity was 'catholic'--open and welcoming to all, not just a chosen group.The separation of the Church from Judaism might be an accidental effect of Paul's missionary journeys to the gentiles. Paul was still a jew and still observed the Jews traditions of the law. However, Paul understood that the laws did not save, thus why he didn't push gentiles to adhere to those same laws and rebuked Peter (the so called first RCC Pope) for trying to force gentiles into the same culinary restrictions and circumcision. I do believe that Peter understood and accepted the rebuke and didn't force Gentiles to the same "laws".
Jesus is Lord. Peter and all other popes, are followers of Jesus, the Lord. As you know, Catholics embrace Jesus as Lord and God, not a follower of anyone.I believe one would want to claim "Jesus", not Peter or Paul. They were only vessels of the gospel at the time.
you are misguided. And it would take all day and half the next to even BEGIN to disabuse you of your false informationThis response is still ignoring my point.
Catholic church claims Peter as the first Pope. If this were correct as the RCC claims, than the RCC would be messianic Jews as Peter was still a.... Jew and argued with Paul about jewish traditions for Gentiles. Paul is more RCC than Peter was because the RCC is gentile. But keep claiming Peter as your first Pope.
Peter was a Jew. Peter was a Christian. Christ appointed Peter the keeper of the keys. When Judaism and Christianity separated, it might be said Christians 'claimed' Peter. Obviously, the Jews did not. Christians followed Peter's way who taught the way of Christ being one with God, a stumbling block for Jews.
Do you wish to "claim" Peter, too? There is enough of him to go around.
He's not listening. There is only ONE name in which we are to pray, and it's not Petra.He also died by crucifixion like his Master. . even upside down!
a martyr for the Church of Christ. We need to pray to him today and every day to
SAVE OUR CHURCH
from Burgman et al
I guess you "forgot" that Peter was the one chosen to be the first pope by Christ himself?
"Thou art Peter and on this rock, I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."
Very good....It commits the horrible sin of accusing RCC of evil will rather than just --- as Christians are told time and again in the Bible to do--- to only see errorHatred has its place. It is good to hate evil. If you think the Catholic Church is evil (and most Protestants do because their pastors are always telling them it is), then it is understandable that you hate the RCC. But if you suspect or even begin to suspect that maybe what you've been taught all your life about the RCC is not true...
different story.
Yes, the CC was/is the original Church founded by Christ. I have studied history. The CC is the only one that goes back to the very beginning of Christian history. Study the Church Fathers and you will see this is so (assuming u know anything about Catholicism? Most people do not, even Catholics don't always know much).The Catholic Church is not the original church. Jesus didn't say God would send a Pope to intercede for us with God.
