Zone1 Is Hell FOREVER or does God destroy it absolutely in the End?

[GreatestIam]

Hell is forever, you'll find out soon enough.

How many different kinds of souls does Yahweh create?

Good and evil for sure, but is there an in between?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Did he not know that Jesus said, do not call me Lord. I come to serve and not be served

Another lie this creature can't verify with scripture

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well, I don't know.. Whom do we consult on this important matter?

Protestants?
Catholics?
Both?

Both faith communities are messed up, as we all know. Where can we find the answer?

Hey, I know.. How about Jesus Christ and His Word? In Mt 25:31 and other psgs, Jesus speaks of ETERNAL damnation aka punishment. So, you'd think that would settle matters. If not, here is a (an admittedly lengthy!) commentary from an ERUDITE theologian

I found this at novusordo.watch.net, not sure who the author is, but again, the Sedevacantist Catholics (that site is Sede) have the Truth on their side vis a vis the Vatican and its corruption/heresies. That's not necessarily a reason to stop going to NO Churches (??)

I copied it to read in full later --though, so far, it seems I could have written a lot of it myself.

(Yours truly bolded certain parts)

Theologian at Novusordowatch
(who uses Christ's Words to refute Francis's)
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Francis once again displayed his masterful skills of distorting Sacred Scripture when what it teaches doesn’t jibe with his false gospel of forgiveness without repentance, which, far from demonstrating God’s great mercy for sinners, makes a mockery of the Redemption and only assists souls in going to hell, not to Heaven.

Our Lord, we must recall, pardoned only one of the two thieves crucified with Him, because only one was contrite. In this manner He taught us never to despair of His mercy, but at the same time never to presume on it either. Both despair and presumption are mortal sins — the Catholic medium between the two is the theological virtue of hope.

The Gospel reading for the Novus Ordo Missae (not the traditional missal) last Sunday, June 25, 2023, was Matthew 10:26-33.. We will quote the passage in full, first from the traditional Catholic Douay-Rheims translation, then from the translation used in the official Novus Ordo lectionary of the United States: Matthew 10:26-33 (Douay-Rheims)

Therefore fear them not. For nothing is covered that shall not be revealed: nor hid, that shall not be known. That which I tell you in the dark, speak ye in the light: and that which you hear in the ear, preach ye upon the housetops. And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: better are you than many sparrows. Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven. But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 10:26-33 (USCCB Lectionary)

Jesus said to the Twelve: “Fear no one. Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, nor secret that will not be known. What I say to you in the darkness, speak in the light; what you hear whispered, proclaim on the housetops. And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Are not two sparrows sold for a small coin? Yet not one of them falls to the ground without your Father’s knowledge. Even all the hairs of your head are counted. So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.”

These words of [Jesus] are consoling in that they encourage and edify the soul by pointing out that although eternal damnation is a real and acute danger, nevertheless God will provide all the graces needed for us to win the battle against sin and temptation.. We are not left to our weakness; God will help us..

Our Lord.. warns that he who, not cooperating with the graces given him, will “deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in Heaven.” That’s a rather exclusionary message, one that clearly doesn’t work for Bergoglio’s new “big tent” synodal church. .

Knowing that we must tread the way of the Cross with Him if we are to persevere in grace (see Lk 9:23), our Lord warns that we must be willing to sacrifice any material good — even physical life itself — if necessary to preserve the state of sanctifying grace, which is the spiritual life of the soul: “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” Fr. Cornelius à Lapidé (1567-1637):

Verse 28. “And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell..” The sense is: Do not, from fear of death with which the persecutors will threaten you, deny My Faith, or cease from the preaching which I have commanded you, or commit any act unworthy of it, for if ye do this, ye will incur both the death of the body and the far worse and longer-lasting death of the soul, even its eternal death in hell, where the damned die an undying death, because they are constantly live [sic] in mortal torments and endure as though in living death and moribund life, according to Isaias 66:24, Their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be quenched. Truly does S. Chrysostom say (hom. 5 ad pop.), “He who is always afraid of hell will never fall into its flames, for he is continually purified by this fear.”

Verse 33. But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. Christ adds this, so that whoever is not moved by His magnificent promise, might be daunted by the terrible threat, that just as Christ will acknowledge those who acknowledge Him, so too, He will deny those who deny Him, saying, I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity! (Matth. 7:23), that is, go to hell, to Lucifer, whom you serve (Matth. 25:12 ff.).

à Lapide: Gospel.. Mt

There is no question that Christ’s doctrine is challenging — Christianity is not for wimps — but it is not difficult to understand. Notice that our Blessed Lord in His great goodness is pleased to present this particular doctrine in the context of His generous assistance of providing the graces necessary to persevere. That is why He can say in another place: “For my yoke is sweet and my burden light” (Mt 11:3). Our Redeemer does not leave us out in the cold, so to speak, with the dreadful prospect of having to give our lives for Him based on our own strength. No, He makes clear that He will sustain us through all trials if only we are faithful to Him. If, however, we fail to cooperate with His graces and deny Him, and if we persist in this frightful state until death, He will then also deny us. We can see, then, how very serious the matter is.

Francis twists Christ’s Words to make them compatible with Naturalism

The Gospel reading of last Sunday is, then, not terribly difficult to make sense of. Francis had a terrific opportunity … to remind people that all is lost if we lose our souls.. that this temporal life is as nothing when compared to eternity. Hell, eternal damnation, is a very real possibility, and we must arm ourselves with prayers, good works, and self-denial..

In today’s Gospel, Jesus repeats to his disciples three different times: “have no fear” (Mt 10:26, 28, 31). Shortly prior to this, he had spoken to them about the persecutions they would have to undergo for the Gospel, a fact that is still a reality. Since its beginning, in fact, the Church has experienced, together with joys – of which she has had many – many persecutions. It seems paradoxical: the proclamation of the Kingdom of God is a message of peace and justice, founded on fraternal charity and on forgiveness; and yet it meets with opposition, violence, persecution. Jesus, however, says not to fear, not because everything will be all right in the world, no, but because we are precious to his Father and nothing that is good will be lost. He therefore tells us not to let fear block us, but rather to fear one other thing, only one. What is the thing Jesus tells us we should fear?

We discover what it is through an image Jesus uses today: the image of “Gehenna” (cf. v. 28). The valley of “Gehenna” was a place the inhabitants of Jerusalem knew well. It was the city’s large garbage dump. Jesus speaks about it in order to say that the true fear we should have, is that of throwing away one’s own life. Jesus says, “Yes, be afraid of that”. It was like saying: you do not need so much to be afraid of suffering misunderstanding and criticism, of losing prestige and economic advantages to remain faithful to the Gospel, no, but of wasting your existence in the pursuit of trivial things that do not fill life with meaning.

This is important for us today. Even today, in fact, some are ridiculed or discriminated against for not following certain fads, which, however, place second-rate realities at the centre – for example, to follow after things instead of people, achievement instead of relationships. Let us give an example: I am thinking of some parents who need to work to maintain their family, but who cannot live for work alone – they need enough time to be with their children. I am also thinking of a priest or a sister who need to dedicate themselves to their service, without, however, forgetting to dedicate time to be with Jesus, otherwise, they will fall into spiritual worldliness and lose the sense of who they are. And again, I am thinking of a young man or woman who have thousands of commitments and passions – school, sports, various interests, cell phones and social networks – but who need to meet people and achieve great dreams, without losing time on passing things that do not leave their mark.

All of this, brothers and sisters, requires some renunciation regarding the idols of efficiency and consumerism. But this is necessary so as not to get lost in things that end up getting thrown out, as they threw things out in Gehenna back then. And people often end up in today’s Gehenna’s, instead. Let’s think, of the least who are often treated like waste products and unwanted objects. There is a cost to remain faithful to what counts. The cost is going against the tide, the cost is freeing oneself from being conditioned by popular opinion, the cost is being separated from those who “follow the current”. But it does not matter, Jesus says. What matters is not to throw away the greatest good: life. This is the only thing that should frighten us. (Antipope Francis.. June 25, 2023)

…Perhaps we should be grateful that Bergoglio didn’t turn Christ’s warning about Gehenna into a sermon about the importance of recycling!

Francis… tries to get his hearers’ thoughts away from the supernatural and ..focused on [earthly] life

In today’s Gospel, Jesus repeats to his disciples three different times: “have no fear” (Mt 10:26, 28, 31). Shortly prior to this, he had spoken to them about the persecutions they would have to undergo for the Gospel, a fact that is still a reality. Since its beginning, in fact, the Church has experienced, together with joys – of which she has had many – many persecutions. It seems paradoxical: the proclamation of the Kingdom of God is a message of peace and justice, founded on fraternal charity and on forgiveness; and yet it meets with opposition, violence, persecution. Jesus, however, says not to fear, not because everything will be all right in the world, no, but because we are precious to his Father and nothing that is good will be lost. He therefore tells us not to let fear block us, but rather to fear one other thing, only one. What is the thing Jesus tells us we should fear?

… Certainly, peace, justice, charity, and forgiveness are part of the Gospel, but it cannot be reduced to that. The Good News of Jesus Christ is not the Kiwanis club with prayer.

If Francis actually taught the… full Gospel… he would see.. quickly why it meets with opposition from the world.

Christ was hated because, unlike Bergoglio, He did not preach a ‘hippie’ gospel. Rather, His preaching convicted the world of sin (cf. Jn 3:19; 16:8) and demanded the strictest standards of morality. For example, not only did Jesus condemn the external act of murder, but even uncharitable speech and hateful thoughts (see Mt 5:21-22); not only did He condemn the external act of adultery, as did the Jews as well, He made clear that even the least deliberately-willed impure thought was already an infraction of the divine law, and that it would be better to suffer any temporal sacrifice rather than commit mortal sin (see Mt 5:27-30). He sanctified matrimony by raising it to a grace-giving sacrament and restoring to it its original indissolubility (see Mt 5:31-32).

Christ preached the way of the Cross. He demanded not a merely external sanctity but one that consists in a true and inward renewal (rebirth) of the whole person (see Mt 5:20; Jn 3:5-6). He condemned vengeance… (see Mt 5:38-39). He demanded that we conform our lives to His (see Mt 11:29), exhorted all who can take it to perfect chastity (see Mt 19:11-12), and demanded that we love our neighbor as we love our very own selves (see Mk 12:31), even our enemies (see Mt 5:43-47). .

..He demanded that God be loved first and above all things (see Mk 12:29-30), including one’s family, relations, friends, and even life itself:

Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s enemies shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it. (Matthew 10:34-39)

That is not the gospel preached by Bergoglio. No wonder the fake pope can’t figure out why anyone would oppose the Gospel! The true Gospel is not popular, not attractive to fallen man because it convicts him of sin and demands that he amend his ways under pain of eternal damnation. It requires self-denial, obedience to ecclesiastical authority, and sometimes even heroic sacrifices to save one’s soul: “…the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent bear it away” (Mt 11:12).

“Gehenna” is used by our Lord as a metaphor for hell. The Catholic Encyclopedia explains:

…in the New Testament the term Gehenna is used more frequently in preference to hades, as a name for the place of punishment of the damned. Gehenna is the Hebrew gê-hinnom (Nehemiah 11:30), or the longer form gê-ben-hinnom (Joshua 15:8), and gê-benê-hinnom (2 Kings 23:10) “valley of the sons of Hinnom”. Hinnom seems to be the name of a person not otherwise known. The Valley of Hinnom is south of Jerusalem and is now called Wadi er-rababi. It was notorious as the scene, in earlier days, of the horrible worship of Moloch. For this reason it was defiled by Josias (2 Kings 23:10), cursed by Jeremias (Jeremiah 7:31-33), and held in abomination by the Jews, who, accordingly, used the name of this valley to designate the abode of the damned (Targ. Jon., Gen., iii, 24; Henoch, c. xxvi). And Christ adopted this usage of the term. (The Catholic Encyclopedia, s.v. “Hell”)

Interestingly enough, even Bergoglio’s own so-called Catechism of the Catholic Church notes:

Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna,” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 1034)

So, when Francis says that Christ speaks about Gehenna “in order to say that the true fear we should have, is that of throwing away one’s own life”, that is inaccurate — He specifically warns against throwing one’s soul away, and He distinguishes it clearly from the life of the body. Notice how the false pope omits this crucial distinction and instead conflates both into “life”, hoping no one will notice.

Why Francis does this becomes apparent when we look at what he says immediately after, namely: “It was like saying: you do not need so much to be afraid of suffering misunderstanding and criticism, of losing prestige and economic advantages to remain faithful to the Gospel, no, but of wasting your existence in the pursuit of trivial things that do not fill life with meaning.”

Now it is clear: Bergoglio had to erase Christ’s contrast between the life of the body and the life of the soul in order to be able to make the divine warning about throwing your soul away (namely, into hell) into something about not “wasting your existence in the pursuit of trivial things that do not fill life with meaning”. Obviously, that is not what Christ said… Nor does life have to be “filled” with meaning, as if the meaning of our existence were something to be produced by us and not found in God and the Beatific Vision to which He has called us. But then those are supernatural things, and Francis wants to steer souls away from the supernatural and keep them focused on the things of the earth, lest they be saved: “He that is of the earth, of the earth he is, and of the earth he speaketh” (Jn 3:31).

The whole point of Christ’s warning in the Gospel passage is that one can spend one’s entire life doing non-trivial things — things that are good, legitimate, and important in themselves — and still go to hell! For example, a surgeon who saves lives every day for thirty years, or a social worker who frequently feeds the hungry, or an architect who designs the most magnificent cathedrals, all these people are doing good things but if they do not die in the state of sanctifying grace, they will merit only eternal damnation — not for the good things they did, of course, but for their mortal sins, which can only be blotted out with sanctifying grace, which cannot be “purchased” with naturally good works. Denial of this would constitute the heresy of Pelagianism — salvation by works without grace.

Francis:

... Even today, in fact, some are ridiculed or discriminated against for not following certain fads, which, however, place second-rate realities at the centre – for example, to follow after things instead of people, achievement instead of relationships. Let us give an example: I am thinking of some parents who need to work to maintain their family, but who cannot live for work alone – they need enough time to be with their children. I am also thinking of a priest or a sister who need to dedicate themselves to their service, without, however, forgetting to dedicate time to be with Jesus, otherwise, they will fall into spiritual worldliness and lose the sense of who they are. And again, I am thinking of a young man or woman who have thousands of commitments and passions – school, sports, various interests, cell phones and social networks – but who need to meet people and achieve great dreams, without losing time on passing things that do not leave their mark.

So here Francis simply doubles down on his distortion of the holy words of our Lord. One can follow after “people” and “relationships” instead of things and achievements all one’s life long — but if one dies in the state of mortal sin, everything will be lost… Francis is diverting people’s attention from the actual words of Christ to a fanciful reading that is compatible with his own [narrative].

The false pope is bluntly taking Christ’s exhortation not to lose one’s eternal life for the sake of one’s temporal life and twisting it into a Naturalist message of not to spend one’s temporal life on the trivial but rather on the meaningful. That is not what Christ said, nor is it what He meant! And Bergoglio knows it, obviously. All temporal life will end at death, “and after this the judgment” (Heb 9:27). If the soul is in the state of mortal sin, hell will be its eternal destiny. But that is a pesky little detail Bergoglio is bending over backwards to conceal from those who are unhappily seeking instruction from his blasphemous mouth.

Francis denounces figurative “idols”… (not so much literal idols):

All of this, brothers and sisters, requires some renunciation regarding the idols of efficiency and consumerism. But this is necessary so as not to get lost in things that end up getting thrown out, as they threw things out in Gehenna back then. And people often end up in today’s Gehenna’s, instead. Let’s think, of the least who are often treated like waste products and unwanted objects. There is a cost to remain faithful to what counts. The cost is going against the tide, the cost is freeing oneself from being conditioned by popular opinion, the cost is being separated from those who “follow the current”. But it does not matter, Jesus says. What matters is not to throw away the greatest good: life. This is the only thing that should frighten us.

So here the pseudo-papal shyster desperately tries to introduce one of his favorite talking points, which hinges on Gehenna having been a garbage dump. He then blatantly lies again by claiming that Christ’s teaching is: “What matters is not to throw away the greatest good: life.” No, this earthly life is not the greatest good, eternal life in Heaven is:

And calling the multitude together with his disciples, he said to them: If any man will follow me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life, shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel, shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul. Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. (Mark 8:34-38)

Francis adds insult to injury when in his very last paragraph he warns against “not putting [the] Gospel in first place”:

So let us ask ourselves: I, what do I fear? Not having what I like? Not reaching the goals society imposes? The judgement of others? Or rather of not pleasing the Lord, and not putting his Gospel in first place? Mary, ever Virgin, Mother most Wise, help us to be wise and courageous in the choices we make.

This false pope is a master deceiver, and he is audacious in his deception, for he denies the Gospel straight to your face and then exhorts you never to deny the Gospel. Bergoglio preaches “a charity without faith, very accommodating to unbelievers, which unfortunately opens the way to eternal ruin for all”, as Pope St. Pius X warned in his allocution of Apr. 17, 1907.

‘Pope’ Francis, Apostle of Hell

As we have seen, the true Gospel is supernatural; it is concerned first and foremost with eternal salvation, without which all is lost forever. The Gospel is not a sentimental collection of platitudes about human dignity, tolerance, unconditional acceptance and forgiveness, caresses and tenderness, or helping the needy. It is also not about dreaming, welcoming, including, accompanying, or affirming everyone and everything. That is Bergoglio’s false Naturalist gospel of man, not the true supernatural Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Christ became incarnate so we would be freed from the bondage of sin and be able to go to Heaven. He preached the truth about the fallen human condition and the divinely-given remedy, offering Himself as the Divine-Human Sacrifice to atone for our sins and purchase us back from the dominion of the evil one. Christ did not become man in order to preach a generic, interreligious “message of peace and justice, founded on fraternal charity and on forgiveness”.

This past Sunday, it is clear that Francis went out of his way to avoid speaking about eternal damnation; he instead bent over backwards to come up with some other “interpretation” of Christ’s plain words. But why? Who would have an interest in keeping the truth about hell away from souls?

Would it be our dear Lord Jesus, who suffered and died for souls precisely so they would not end up there and who Himself warned of the reality of the danger of hell throughout His earthly ministry? Or would it be Satan, the devil, who wants to see as many souls eternally damned as possible?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Well, I don't know.. Whom do we consult on this important matter?

Protestants?
Catholics?
Both?

God. Just God.

 

[GreatestIam]

Another lie this creature can't verify with scripture

Where did Jesus say to call him Lord?

Where was Jesus ever anointed to Christ?

You have much I could reply with ---

Another lie you can't verify with scripture

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Where did Jesus say to call him Lord?

Where was Jesus ever anointed to Christ?

You have much I could reply with ---

Another lie you can't verify with scripture

You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am

The Dark Side is strong in this one

 

[GreatestIam]

You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am

The Dark Side is strong in this one

In the liars who call Jesus the Christ, without ever showing where in the bible he was anointed, yes.

Even as Jesus said he came as a servant and not a King.

Ignore that he specifically said to not call him Lord.

 

[GreatestIam]

You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am

The Dark Side is strong in this one

Just because you are immoral and stupid, let me point out that the whole dialog you are are thinking of is Jesus pushing universality, which is not the usual Christian doctrine. That desirable quality lacking in Christianity is alive and well in Gnostic Christianity.

A perfected Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

 

[1miseryindex]

Well, I can definitely understand someone htinking that eventually both hell and death will be burnt up.. destroyed.. GONE

because in Revelation it says that Hell and death were cast into the lake of fire.

However, at the very end of Revelation (Chapter 21) which obviously comes AFTER that psg



it says that the unbeliever will have a portion in the pool burning with fire... the 2nd death

21:27.. says

"There shall not enter into [Heaven] anything defiled or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie"

Then there's that pesky little psg, which I will Search for now that says "the smoke of their torment ascendeth forever."

While there are parts of the Bible only learned scholars/ theologians can fully understand, I think we can all understand the word FOREVER

The vile who follow Satan are not going to Heaven.. so their place is with Satan and his demons, Hell

 

[GreatestIam]

Well, I can definitely understand someone htinking that eventually both hell and death will be burnt up.. destroyed.. GONE

because in Revelation it says that Hell and death were cast into the lake of fire.

However, at the very end of Revelation (Chapter 21) which obviously comes AFTER that psg



it says that the unbeliever will have a portion in the pool burning with fire... the 2nd death

21:27.. says

"There shall not enter into [Heaven] anything defiled or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie"

Then there's that pesky little psg, which I will Search for now that says "the smoke of their torment ascendeth forever."

While there are parts of the Bible only learned scholars/ theologians can fully understand, I think we can all understand the word FOREVER

The vile who follow Satan are not going to Heaven.. so their place is with Satan and his demons, Hell

His??

You mean her don't you? Do you see a male or female Satan in this painting?

 

[GreatestIam]

The vile who follow Satan are not going to Heaven

You have a narrow view. Let's see how you think.

Is Satan divine for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn.

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.



Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

 

[1miseryindex]

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man shall adore the beast and his image and receive his character in his forehead or in his hand, 10He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mingled with pure wine in the cup of his wrath: and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torments, shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast and his image and whoever receiveth the character of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours. For their works follow them.

 

[1miseryindex]

You have a narrow view. Let's see how you think.

Is Satan divine for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn.

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.



Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

I don't know about anyone else

but arguing the gender of Satan looks like a frivolous diversion

Satan likes those

So I don't

 

[The Irish Ram]

Satan is male:

John 8:1 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.​

 

[GreatestIam]

Satan is male:

John 8:1 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.​

Who created such a vile being?

As to John the Prophet, perhaps this is one of the times that the bible says that Yahweh puts lies in a prophets head.

As to giving Satan evil creating powers, like being the father of lies, you are incorrect.

Place no other name, you heathen, over Yahweh in the ability to create evil. No one is allowed to be a greater evil.

You show a great lack of faith and believe in two creators.

 

[GreatestIam]

I don't know about anyone else

but arguing the gender of Satan looks like a frivolous diversion

Satan likes those

So I don't

It is not frivolous when it leads to people knowing themselves at the carnal level, and recognizing that women are the inadvertent cause of all evil.

If women recognize that they will/might act differently and perhaps save our eco system for us stupid males.

But hey, if you want to ignore the boobs on Satan, Join the right wing Christian community.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Who created such a vile being?

As to John the Prophet, perhaps this is one of the times that the bible says that Yahweh puts lies in a prophets head.

As to giving Satan evil creating powers, like being the father of lies, you are incorrect.

Place no other name, you heathen, over Yahweh in the ability to create evil. No one is allowed to be a greater evil.

You show a great lack of faith and believe in two creators.

You prefer your father, Satan. We get it...

 

[GreatestIam]

You prefer your father, Satan. We get it...

You cannot admit what you think is the truth, that you God created Satan with what was in his evil being, and that makes you a hypocrite and Moral Coward.

Why did your God create Satan and then give her even greater powers of deception, HHmmmm?

Run away again.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Ignore that he specifically said to not call him Lordi just

I just showed you. Are you insane?

 

[GreatestIam]

I just showed you. Are you insane?

I showed you ignoring what Jesus said he wanted.

Are you insane to call him Lord when he specifically said, don't call me Lord?