Zone1 Did Jesus come to save the Jews?

[Woodznutz]

They were the Jews Moses led out of captivity. Moses died and Joshua and 9 and 1/2 tribes determined what land they would take, For fairness’s sake, they drew lots for who gets what. The Levites were given no land, but various cities to live in.

Why do you believe that all Israelites are "Jews"?

 

[Woodznutz]

I presented both. The gathering of the Jews to Israel, which has already happened, and what the future holds for them. We know all about present day Jerusalem, from being a millstone, to being surrounded by her enemies, to a peace treaty that will give away parts of the country, and will lead to war. We know who, what, when, where, and why.

A remnant returned, to make trouble for the descendants of the other tribes. See Ezekiel 5.

Remove the Jews from the Bible , and there isn't a whole lot left. Jesus, for instance, is a Jewish Rabbi. Even the Gentiles were grafted into the Jewish line. Jews are the root, Gentiles are the shoot. Without the root there is no shoot...

Jesus Christ is the root. The Jewish 'branches' were broken off and the other tribes were grafted in.

Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi, but not a "Jewish" Rabbi. He would rightly be called a Levitical Rabbi as he taught the written Law, not the traditions of the Jews. Jesus observed that "the Jews sit in Moses seat", meaning they had appropriated the authority of the Levitical priesthood for themselves, illegally. He cautioned people about them saying "do what they say but don't do what they do". This could be confusing as most Jews wanted to be like their Rabbis and hung on their every word and deed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Of course he did. Gospel was preached to the Jew first and then the Gentiles

Does Paul quote from any Gospels?

 

[irosie91]

Jesus Was the First Protestant

The Hebrew High Priests were collaborating with the Roman occupiers. They requested Jesus's execution, and Pilate rewarded them for their services to Roman imperialism.

The high priests were APPOINTED by Rome and were shills for the Romans. Herod, the king was
also a Roman appointee. As such they are considered historic traitors. who did whatever Rome wanted them to do. Traditionally---their descendants just went away---Sadducees are no longer extant----or, at least, no one claims SADDUCEAN origin. Jesus was in the
line of Judah according to the Nicean Council which probably got that one fact right--maybe.
(he was a pharisee as was john the mikveh man). Sadducees and Pharisees did not
like each other. They were like Loyalists and Patriots in 1776. Any
of you out there in cyberspace want to claim LOYALIST RELATIVES?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Judah was a good boy ---Reuben not so much

Reuben was a Fredo

 

[irosie91]

I presented both. The gathering of the Jews to Israel, which has already happened, and what the future holds for them. We know all about present day Jerusalem, from being a millstone, to being surrounded by her enemies, to a peace treaty that will give away parts of the country, and will lead to war. We know who, what, when, where, and why.

Remove the Jews from the Bible , and there isn't a whole lot left. Jesus, for instance, is a Jewish Rabbi. Even the Gentiles were grafted into the Jewish line. Jews are the root, Gentiles are the shoot. Without the root there is no shoot...

Reuben was a Fredo

sorta----but Simon and Levi were bad boys too

 

[Woodznutz]

The answer should be obvious to you. Scripture was pretty clear. Who did Jesus first minister to?

It was a courtesy, and few Jews followed him. His main purpose, and commission, was to preach the gospel of the kingdom to the other tribal descendants, to whom he also sent his disciples.

 

[The Irish Ram]

they certainly would have prevented the Crucifixion

How would they have accomplished that in Roman controlled Israel? Even if they had tried to stop it, Christ would have climbed up on that cross Himself. He was on a mission. He could have hopped right off that cross and turned everyone into ashes if He wanted to. Being saved from the cross was the opposite of why Christ was here. The throngs that were following Christ is the reason he created such a threat to the Pharisees. They feared a revolt and nipped it in the bud.
Dead self-proclaimed Messiahs were a dime a dozen. Then one defeated death and came back, scars and all. And that made all the difference...

 

[irosie91]

It was a courtesy, and few Jews followed him. His main purpose, and commission, was to preach the gospel of the kingdom to the other tribal descendants, to whom he also sent his disciples.

what "other tribal descendants"? everyone at that time were called "JEWS" no matter
of what tribe Jews = descendants of Jacob (aka Israel) Priests and Levites
are of the Tribe of LEVI. (not such a good boy---third son of Jacob--ancestor of Moses)) and everyone else is generic Israelite (jacobite). Someday all the Brits will be ELIZABETHANS (or Henryites) -----US people might turn into TRUMPITES. Try not to be confused

 

[The Irish Ram]

It was a courtesy, and few Jews followed him

Luke 5:1-11 On one occasion, Jesus was preaching to a crowd on the shore of Lake Galilee. A vast multitude of people was pushing to get close to Jesus to hear the word of God...​

He had to get into a boat to preach to them.

And:
Matthew 14:13-21
Mark 6:31-44
Luke 9:12-17
John 6:1-14

I have to stick with the gospels on this one, Woodz. Vast multitudes, thousands and thousands, is more than a few. The Pharisees wouldn't have been alarmed by the crowds if just a few people were following him around. In one instance, He sent out over 70 disciples out to minister to the surrounding areas.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why do you believe that all Israelites are "Jews"?

Jesus didn't make the distinction, so I don't either. He preached to the circumcised, north and south. Jesus calls them the Tribes of Israel. Jacob/Israel is the foundation. His children make up the 12 tribes. Jacob was not a Gentile. Neither were His children, no matter what lots they drew for the land they settled on.

 

[The Irish Ram]

A remnant returned, to make trouble for the descendants of the other tribes. See Ezekiel 5.

Jesus Christ is the root. The Jewish 'branches' were broken off and the other tribes were grafted in.

Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi, but not a "Jewish" Rabbi. He would rightly be called a Levitical Rabbi as he taught the written Law, not the traditions of the Jews. Jesus observed that "the Jews sit in Moses seat", meaning they had appropriated the authority of the Levitical priesthood for themselves, illegally. He cautioned people about them saying "do what they say but don't do what they do". This could be confusing as most Jews wanted to be like their Rabbis and hung on their every word and deed.

He was a Jewish Rabbi who taught in the Jewish Temple. He kept every Jewish Law there was. He wore the Jewish prayer shawl. I'm pretty sure He was Jewish, lol.
He didn't make the distinction between the circumcised in the north or the circumcised in the south. He served the circumcised, wherever they were found, and called them the Tribes of Israel.

 

[ding]

It was a courtesy, and few Jews followed him. His main purpose, and commission, was to preach the gospel of the kingdom to the other tribal descendants, to whom he also sent his disciples.

I disagree. The first Christians were Jewish.

 

[Woodznutz]

what "other tribal descendants"? everyone at that time were called "JEWS" no matter
of what tribe Jews = descendants of Jacob (aka Israel) Priests and Levites
are of the Tribe of LEVI. (not such a good boy---third son of Jacob--ancestor of Moses)) and everyone else is generic Israelite (jacobite). Someday all the Brits will be ELIZABETHANS (or Henryites) -----US people might turn into TRUMPITES. Try not to be confused

Paul was "a Jew of the Jews" but was a Benjamite. Anyone that held to the Jewish religion was a "Jew" regardless of nationality or ethnicity. I'm an American by nationality but my ethnic ancestry is Norwegian/German/Dutch/English.

Many Israelites visited Judea and Jerusalem, but that didn't change their tribal identity.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus didn't make the distinction, so I don't either.

He did make a distinction. He said that he was "sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel", the so-called lost tribes. He demonstrated that to his disciples regarding the "woman of Canaan".

 

[Woodznutz]

He was a Jewish Rabbi who taught in the Jewish Temple. He kept every Jewish Law there was. He wore the Jewish prayer shawl. I'm pretty sure He was Jewish, lol.
He didn't make the distinction between the circumcised in the north or the circumcised in the south. He served the circumcised, wherever they were found, and called them the Tribes of Israel.

Jesus taught God's law, not 'Jewish' law, in God's temple, not the 'Jewish' temple.

 

[Woodznutz]

I disagree. The first Christians were Jewish.

Of course, and they were pretty confused about Jesus' teachings.

 

[fncceo]

Did Jesus come to save the Jews?​

No, that was David Hasselhoff…

 

[Woodznutz]

No, that was David Hasselhoff…

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But Jews never go near the water.

 

[Woodznutz]

Does Paul quote from any Gospels?

Paul, more than any other, explained the gospel.