Zone1 Did Jesus come to save the Jews?

[mudwhistle]

What was/is the "law" of the gospel?

Faith that Jesus was the lamb of God.

It couldn't happen till after he was crucified.

The fact that he rose after 3 days was just proof of eternal life thru Christ.

His whole life was about setting examples for the rest of us.

The basis of Christianity is this; The only way we can be saved is thru Christ.

The Jewish faith is based on rituals as laid out in Leviticus and works, whereas Christianity is based on faith of Christ.

 

[Woodznutz]

Faith that Jesus was the lamb of God.

It couldn't happen till after he was crucified.

The fact that he rose after 3 days was just proof of eternal life thru Christ.

His whole life was about setting examples for the rest of us.

The basis of Christianity is this; The only way we can be saved is thru Christ.

The Jewish faith is based on rituals as laid out in Leviticus and works, whereas Christianity is based on faith of Christ.

So, the "Jewish faith" leads to salvation?

 

[mudwhistle]

So, the "Jewish faith" leads to salvation?

My understanding is the only way to salvation is thru Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

Or was he only sent to the descendants of the other tribes of Israel?

All of the descendants of Jacob's kids are called "JOOOOOS" because
Jacob declared his son JUDAH ---king of the Jacob's (Israel's) descendants---
simple stuff------it's in da book. Judah was a good boy ---Reuben not so much

 

[The Irish Ram]

Do you believe that the descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel that exist today...are Jews? A "Jew" today can be an ethnic Jew or a religious convert. Did Jesus 'build his church' among the Jews? Is Judaism the religion of Jesus Christ? If so, who are these people called "Christians"?

God knows who they are. He's the one that gathered them to Israel:

Ezekiel 11:17 "Therefore say, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD: I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."

And this is the result, and who it affects:

Zech. 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David <(a unified Israel) AND on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of mercy and supplication, so that when they look on him whom they(<ancestors who said, "Let His blood be on us and our children".) have thrust through, they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and they will grieve for him as one grieves over a firstborn.

Whomever we think the inhabitants of Jerusalem are, that is who Jesus is returning to. Regardless of what we call them, those are the people that Jesus will reside with, and ultimately where God will reside:

Rev.21:2-3 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God
And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them; and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them and be their God.

Our Bible is also the History of the Jews from beginning to end.

 

[Woodznutz]

My understanding is the only way to salvation is thru Jesus.

True, but did Jesus change the Law, or does it remain the same as in the old covenant days?

 

[Woodznutz]

All of the descendants of Jacob's kids are called "JOOOOOS" because
Jacob declared his son JUDAH ---king of the Jacob's (Israel's) descendants---
simple stuff------it's in da book. Judah was a good boy ---Reuben not so much

Chapter and verse, please.

 

[Woodznutz]

God knows who they are. He's the one that gathered them to Israel:

Ezekiel 11:17 "Therefore say, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD: I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."

And this is the result, and who it affects:

Zech. 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David AND on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of mercy and supplication, so that when they look on him whom they(<ancestors who said, "Let His blood be on us and our children".) have thrust through, they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and they will grieve for him as one grieves over a firstborn.

Whomever you think the inhabitants of Jerusalem are, that is who Jesus is returning to. You can call them whatever you like, but those are the people that Jesus will reside with., and ultimately where God will reside:

Rev.21:2-3 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God
And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them; and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them and be their God.

Our Bible is also the History of the Jews from beginning to end.

You have presented scriptures that deal with Christ's millennial rule, not present day Jerusalem.

The Bible is the history and prophecies concerning all Israel, not just the Jews.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

He attracted thousands and thousands of Jews. In one case alone, he fed 5,000 men with a few fish and loaves of bread. They didn't count women or children back then. That # could easily have been doubled. The crowds that followed Him at one point tried to get so close to Him that they were pushing Him into the sea. He got in a boat to minister to them.

Disproven by Lack of Its Logical Effect

If so many had witnessed his fake miracles, they certainly would have prevented the Crucifixion. Didn't happen, so the mirracles, too, never happened.

Same with the fibs told in Exodus. If true, the Hebrews wouldn't have dared to worship the Golden Calf.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Not so. Jesus didn't say other.

Jesus came to save his people (Mt 1:21). He was of Judah.

Moses came to save his people; Jesus came to pacify them

 

[irosie91]

Chapter and verse, please.

chapter and verse is an heretical innovation

Chapter and verse, please.

read the deathbed speech of Jacob to his sons. He tosses his mantle on
JUDAH----son # 4----and tells most of the other kids that they are schmucks---
then he feels better. Reuben was the firstborn----but he is sorta discarded.
Firstborn is a big deal in most cultures----but if you follow the bible----it seems
da joooos done away with the world view------lousy world view-----like present
day UN

 

[Woodznutz]

chapter and verse is an heretical innovation

read the deathbed speech of Jacob to his sons. He tosses his mantle on
JUDAH----son # 4----and tells most of the other kids that they are schmucks---
then he feels better. Reuben was the firstborn----but he is sorta discarded.
Firstborn is a big deal in most cultures----but if you follow the bible----it seems
da joooos done away with the world view------lousy world view-----like present
day UN

Ephraim replaced Reuben and received the birthright promise, not Judah, who received the scepter promise. How has the scepter promise been fulfilled?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What message did he go off?

Canon Made Up About a Loose Cannon

His assigned message was to forget about the Roman colonization and, instead, to become obsessed with escapist afterlife fantasies.

 

[irosie91]

Ephraim replaced Reuben and received the birthright promise, not Judah, who received the scepter promise. How has the scepter promise been fulfilled?

nope----Judah----not Ephraim

 

[Woodznutz]

God knows who they are. He's the one that gathered them to Israel:

Ezekiel 11:17 "Therefore say, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD: I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."

This verse refers to the other tribes, not the Jews. In fact, this discourse is a condemnation of the Jews. Read it carefully. If you don't get it ask your pastor to explain it for you.

 

[Woodznutz]

nope----Judah----not Ephraim

The scepter and the birthright are separate promises. Judah gets the scepter, Joseph (Ephraim) gets the birthright. If you don't understand this, ask your Rabbi to explain it to you.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Those weren't Jews. They were Gentiles (Israelites) from the region of Galilee and Samaria.

They were the Jews Moses led out of captivity. Moses died and Joshua and 9 and 1/2 tribes determined what land they would take, For fairness’s sake, they drew lots for who gets what. The Levites were given no land, but various cities to live in.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Was it the Jews or the Romans that ultimately caused Jesus' death?

Jesus Was the First Protestant

The Hebrew High Priests were collaborating with the Roman occupiers. They requested Jesus's execution, and Pilate rewarded them for their services to Roman imperialism.

 

[irosie91]

The scepter and the birthright are separate promises. Judah gets the scepter, Joseph (Ephraim) gets the birthright. If you don't understand this, ask your Rabbi to explain it to you.

Ephraim is a son of Joseph (grandson of Jacob) He gets his birthright from Joseph who is
not the founder of the royal line----Judah is-----however re: the split kingdom---the
kingdom of Israel----the royal line is from Ephraim son of Joseph (grandson of Jacob
-- The kingdom of Judah---royal line is from Judah---fourth son of Jacob (aka Israel).
Then they merge back to kingdom of Judah and everyone is jooooos---because the
lines got mixed up and everyone lost his birth certificate. Levi got found recently via
a Y chromosome. Ephraim just mixed in with the uncles

 

[The Irish Ram]

You have presented scriptures that deal with Christ's millennial rule, not present day Jerusalem.

The Bible is the history and prophecies concerning all Israel, not just the Jews.

I presented both. The gathering of the Jews to Israel, which has already happened, and what the future holds for them. We know all about present day Jerusalem, from being a millstone, to being surrounded by her enemies, to a peace treaty that will give away parts of the country, and will lead to war. We know who, what, when, where, and why.

Remove the Jews from the Bible , and there isn't a whole lot left. Jesus, for instance, is a Jewish Rabbi. Even the Gentiles were grafted into the Jewish line. Jews are the root, Gentiles are the shoot. Without the root there is no shoot...