Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[hobelim]

Then google why did Israelites craft narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

Why?


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations".

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

 

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Why?

To learn the reason they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

[hobelim]

To learn the reason they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Apparently, the curse in a cup of wine, the sword that Jesus said he came to bring, still works like charm!

He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

 

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Apparently, the curse in a cup of wine, the sword that Jesus said he came to bring, still works like charm!

Because it couldn’t be that they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

[hobelim]

Because it couldn’t be that they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

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Atheists don't want to hear that the ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

[hobelim]

Atheists don't want to hear that the ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Atheists can smell bullshit from a mile away. Thats being said, I am not an atheist. I just don't believe in the maudlin bullshit story about a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man so you can be an oblivious asshole and sin with impunity for life as long as you celebrate his crucifixion, desecrate his words, and then eat him committing idolatry every now and then on Sunday to demonstrate to God just how sorry you are for sinning. DERP.

My God is incorporeal, doesn't give a shit about what people wear, what they eat, or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds, never abolished his laws, and never became a man.

 

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Atheists can smell bullshit from a mile away. Thats being said, I am not an atheist. I just don't believe in the maudlin bullshit story about a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man so you can be an oblivious asshole and sin with impunity for life as long as you celebrate his crucifixion and death and then solemnly eat him committing idolatry every now and then on Sunday to demonstrate to God just how sorry you are for sinning.

My God doesn't give a shit about what people wear, what they eat, or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds, never abolished his laws, and never became a man.

And apparently you don’t believe ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Apparently your only purpose here is to subvert Christianity.

 

[hobelim]

Apparently your only purpose here is to subvert Christianity.

No. I have come to free the prisoners in hells keeping. Maybe not you but thems the breaks! But don't take it too hard. You get to live under a strange delusion for the rest of your days!

Enjoy!

 

[BULLDOG]

What is the correct word for survivability and evolution being hardwired into life?

Culminative effect of eons of random selection.

 

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No. I have come to free the prisoners in hells keeping. Maybe not you but thems the breaks! But don't take it too hard. You get to live under a strange delusion for the rest of your days!

Enjoy!

And don’t believe ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

[BULLDOG]

We weren’t discussing active choice. We were discussing the likelihood of the universe and nature being hardwired to produce life and intelligence. It’s the unlikelihood that rules out happenstance.

You asked about the constant presence of mind. I shared with you the basis of why physicists believe in the primacy of mind.

Random selection or an active choice. One excludes the other. You have failed to show who or what would be capable of making such choices.

 

[BULLDOG]

And don’t believe ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Doesn't matter if ancient Israelites made up shit or not. Todays Christians choose to believe the bible is 100% historically accurate, except for the parts they choose to ignore.

 

[hobelim]

And don’t believe ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."


The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Triumph Of YAHWEH, (Of Thanksgiving for Victory (xviii 1-15).

 

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Random selection or an active choice. One excludes the other. You have failed to show who or what would be capable of making such choices.

And yet existence has a preference for life and intelligence to exist.

 

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Doesn't matter if ancient Israelites made up shit or not. Todays Christians choose to believe the bible is 100% historically accurate, except for the parts they choose to ignore.

Incorrect. I’m a Christian today that is telling you that ancient Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

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except for the parts they choose to ignore

You mean the narratives of events that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel because they believed they were chosen by God to establish standards?

 

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Atheists can smell bullshit from a mile away. Thats being said, I am not an atheist.

 

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Culminative effect of eons of random selection.

Every life form that has ever existed has a survival instinct. That’s not evolution. That’s an inherent characteristic of life. Even a single cell organism can sense its surroundings and will move away from what it instinctively perceives as a threat. Because the survival instinct is hardwired into it by existence.

The cumulative effect of NATURAL selection is the complexification of life. There is nothing random about evolution. Whoever told you evolution is random is a moron. Evolution occurs for logical reasons. There is nothing random about natural selection. You seem to be confusing chaotic with random. Two different things.

The cumulative effect of NATURAL selection is overwhelmingly towards greater complexity. Intelligence was predestined because intelligence is a functional advantage.

 

[BULLDOG]

And yet existence has a preference for life and intelligence to exist.

Ok. I give up. You think existence, the universe, etc. are capable of actually making independent conscious choices. Obviously, I'm not going to change your mind, so as always you are free to believe what you choose, no matter how misguided that might be. Just one more question, though. With so many (entities?) making so many active choices, doesn't that horn in on the authority of an omnipotent god? Of course, you'll probably say god has to approve those choices. If approval is required, are they really capable of making their own choices?