Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[BULLDOG]

I use the word preference because it's pretty obvious nature prefers life to survive and evolve towards greater complexity. What word would you like to use instead of preference to describe nature's bias for life to survive and evolve?

neither preference nor bias are accurate. They both imply an active choice other than the cumulative effect of random selections. Prove there is a god, or some other sentiment being, even if you want to call it nature first and then we can discuss anything he/it might choose to do.

 

[BULLDOG]

The physical world is entirely abstract and without ‘actuality’ apart from its linkage to consciousness.

Cool. Not sure how that shows an active choice in the way things work, but continue.

 

[Slyhunter]

Yes, I also use existence interchangeably as well. Do you know how nature and existence are related?

If everyone had brown eyes would you be able to understand that nature had a preference for brown eyes? Because nature has hardwired the urge to survive and procreate into life. It's so prevalent as to be undeniable.

You are defining everyone with a bunch of insignificant beings, in a tiny solar system, which is a speck in a galaxy which is one of trillions in a universe. You cannot qualify by saying everyone.

 

[Slyhunter]

So you believe slavery, rape and murder can be good?

Killing, indenture servitude for those who need help to survive, and some forms of rape, like in the cavemen days, can be considered for the betterment of mankind.

 

[Slyhunter]

Stealing Honey is good, for humans, evil or bad for bees.
slaughtering cows can be seen as both good and evil. Raising cos for the sole purpose of slaughtering is problematic.
Robin Hood as good for the over-taxed peasants but evil to the Sheriff. Give unto Caesar what is Caesars.

 

[Slyhunter]

In my fight on a Game ESO, my companion keeps saying "thank Zander for that one." is it Zander winning our fights or my toon? Zander is her God.

 

[ding]

neither preference nor bias are accurate. They both imply an active choice other than the cumulative effect of random selections. Prove there is a god, or some other sentiment being, even if you want to call it nature first and then we can discuss anything he/it might choose to do.

What is the correct word for survivability and evolution being hardwired into life?

 

[ding]

Cool. Not sure how that shows an active choice in the way things work, but continue.

We weren’t discussing active choice. We were discussing the likelihood of the universe and nature being hardwired to produce life and intelligence. It’s the unlikelihood that rules out happenstance.

You asked about the constant presence of mind. I shared with you the basis of why physicists believe in the primacy of mind.

 

[ding]

You are defining everyone with a bunch of insignificant beings, in a tiny solar system, which is a speck in a galaxy which is one of trillions in a universe. You cannot qualify by saying everyone.

I was using an example to show that if everyone had brown eyes - which they don’t - it would mean that nature had a preference for everyone to have brown eyes. Nature has a preference for life to survive and evolve. Why?

 

[ding]

Killing, indenture servitude for those who need help to survive, and some forms of rape, like in the cavemen days, can be considered for the betterment of mankind.

So you believe that rape, murder and slavery can be good sometimes?

 

[ding]

Stealing Honey is good, for humans, evil or bad for bees.
slaughtering cows can be seen as both good and evil. Raising cos for the sole purpose of slaughtering is problematic.
Robin Hood as good for the over-taxed peasants but evil to the Sheriff. Give unto Caesar what is Caesars.

Like rape, murder and slavery can be good?

 

[ding]

In my fight on a Game ESO, my companion keeps saying "thank Zander for that one." is it Zander winning our fights or my toon? Zander is her God.

Even your game had a creator. And even your game had rules that governed it.

 

[hobelim]

So god sent jesus (himself) to save us from himself. He did that so he could forgive sins. Atonement.
Why didnt he do that, instead of the flood? Why did he kill the entire planet and almost all the animals, when he could have just sent jesus earlier?

Why? I heard that they were all deceitful duplicitous violent knuckle dragging assholes with the form and shape of a human but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

But thats just what I heard.

If he sent Jesus earlier, they would have killed and eaten him. Oh! Wait a minute! Nevermind.

 

[ding]

Why? I heard that they were all deceitful duplicitous violent knuckle dragging assholes with the form and shape of a human but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

But thats just what I heard.

If he sent Jesus earlier, they would have killed and eaten him. Oh! Wait a minute! Nevermind.

Because it couldn’t be because they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

[hobelim]

to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations".

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

 

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"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations"."

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

So you don’t believe the Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

[hobelim]

So you don’t believe the Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.

 

[ding]

So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.

The Israelites crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Google it.

 

[hobelim]

Google it.

 

[ding]

Then google why did Israelites craft narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?