Zone1 Another question to ponder

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Do you believe God is the first mover?

I dont believe in God at all.

Now, your turn.

Two choices.

 

[Meriweather]

I dont believe in God at all.

Now, your turn.

Two choices.

I don't take ultimatums such as "Two choices". Genesis (Hebrew scripture) tell us there were six time periods to creation. The King James English used "day" to describe the Hebrew word that has more meanings than just a 24-hour day.

Next, God is described as creator, (past-present-future). God is creating, and we belong to his creation, and we, too, have the ability to create.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't take ultimatums such as "Two choices".

Either God was the first mover, or God was not the first mover. There is no third choice.

If so, then God did indeed just "poof" everything into existence. If you have a problem with that word due to it being glib -- and also due to you taking the idea of God so seriously -- that's your problem to work through, and nobody else's.

So, was God the first mover or not?

 

[Meriweather]

Either God was the first mover, or God was not the first mover. There is no third choice.

If so, then God did indeed just "poof" everything into existence. If you have a problem with that word due to it being glib -- and also due to you taking the idea of God so seriously -- that's your problem to work through, and nobody else's.

So, was God the first mover or not?

God is Creator.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

God is Creator.

After several dodges on your part, I was not optimistic that you would answer.

I am used to this rudeness and doublespeak by the religious folks. It's expected.

 

[SweetSue92]

Jesus is an idol no one knows if he ever existed

There is more contemporary historical evidence for Jesus than almost any other figure from antiquity.

 

[SweetSue92]

No I don't. Just as a 6 year old who doesnt believe unicorns make ice cream in the 6th dimension doesnt "have" to explain where ice cream comes from, in order to rationally reject a belief in unicorns in the 6th dimension.

So that's wrong.

I am perfectly fine saying, "I don't know. "

But you are perfectly sure it's not God and Jesus Christ, although the evidence for the latter is historical.

Okay, you do you.....good luck

 

[Meriweather]

After several dodges on your part, I was not optimistic that you would answer.

I am used to this rudeness and doublespeak by the religious folks. It's expected.

Try to understand. What is the knowledge you are seeking or believe you have? You say you don't believe in God. Are you focusing on the first motivator, or are you focusing on God? Are you focusing on knowledge of how creation began or are you focused on the Creator, himself? I am not going to follow you down your rabbit trails of what you may seriously consider the pursuit of knowledge, or what knowledge that Aristotle (and others) were defining as knowledge. Our difference may be that you want to know knowledge, while I want to know God.

God is Creator. Start there. I think you may be pursuing, Well, then how did God create (knowledge)--to try to prove that particular how a fallacy.

 

[ding]

I dont believe in God at all.

if you believe in love or logic or truth or any other extant attribute of reality, then you do believe in God.