Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[Quantrill]

If god was a person, he would be the worst person on the planet. Throughout history.

God has always been a 'Person'. He just hasn't always been 'human'. Jesus Christ.

Perhaps to you He is the worst. To me He is the greatest and worthy of all worship. In fact, He is so worthy, it is wrong not to worship Him.

Quantrill

 

[ding]

If you dont believe in yourself you believe in nothing

The concept of self-belief in Judaism is inextricably linked to belief in God, and is generally rooted in the idea that human beings were created in the image of God and imbued with divine potential.

Jewish teachings on self-worth focus on:

• Inherent Worth (Tzelem Elohim): Every person is considered to have inherent worth and dignity because they are created b'tzelem Elohim, in the image of God. This worth is not something to be earned, but is intrinsic to one's existence.
• Agency of God's Will: True Jewish confidence comes not from belief in one's limited self, but from recognizing oneself as an agent of God's will in the world. As such, one's potential is tied to the infinite power of God.
• Actions over Beliefs: While belief is important, Judaism often places a stronger emphasis on actions (mitzvot) and ethical behavior. Right actions, coupled with right attitudes, are the ideal; however, an individual is ultimately measured by what they do in the world.
• Purpose and Potential: A person has a specific mission or purpose that only they can fulfill. Believing in oneself means recognizing and utilizing one's unique, God-given abilities and potential to do good in the world.
• Humility and Confidence: Jewish sources advocate for a balance between confidence and humility. Moses, for example, was considered the humblest of men yet had the confidence to argue with God. This confidence stemmed from his faith in God, not in his own ego.

Therefore, while self-belief is highly valued and considered essential for personal growth and fulfilling one's purpose, the foundation of this self-worth in Judaism is ultimately a reflection of one's relationship and belief in the Creator.

 

[ding]

Sure, so what, he cant hurt anyone

Seems like he is hurting God.

 

[Hafar1014]

Seems like he is hurting God.

You cant die

 

[Hafar1014]

The concept of self-belief in Judaism is inextricably linked to belief in God, and is generally rooted in the idea that human beings were created in the image of God and imbued with divine potential.

Jewish teachings on self-worth focus on:

• Inherent Worth (Tzelem Elohim): Every person is considered to have inherent worth and dignity because they are created b'tzelem Elohim, in the image of God. This worth is not something to be earned, but is intrinsic to one's existence.
• Agency of God's Will: True Jewish confidence comes not from belief in one's limited self, but from recognizing oneself as an agent of God's will in the world. As such, one's potential is tied to the infinite power of God.
• Actions over Beliefs: While belief is important, Judaism often places a stronger emphasis on actions (mitzvot) and ethical behavior. Right actions, coupled with right attitudes, are the ideal; however, an individual is ultimately measured by what they do in the world.
• Purpose and Potential: A person has a specific mission or purpose that only they can fulfill. Believing in oneself means recognizing and utilizing one's unique, God-given abilities and potential to do good in the world.
• Humility and Confidence: Jewish sources advocate for a balance between confidence and humility. Moses, for example, was considered the humblest of men yet had the confidence to argue with God. This confidence stemmed from his faith in God, not in his own ego.

Therefore, while self-belief is highly valued and considered essential for personal growth and fulfilling one's purpose, the foundation of this self-worth in Judaism is ultimately a reflection of one's relationship and belief in the Creator.

Image and likeness. Very much the opposite of Christianity which reduces humanity to an ant colony

 

[Quantrill]

I believe there is an afterlife for all of us that we can shape in any way we want. I have had many experiences with the afterlife and its real.

I know there is an afterlife. I said, 'I hope so' to Slyhunter because I don't know his mother to say yay or nay.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

God has always been a 'Person'. He just hasn't always been 'human'. Jesus Christ.

Perhaps to you He is the worst. To me He is the greatest and worthy of all worship. In fact, He is so worthy, it is wrong not to worship Him.

Quantrill

It cant be wrong for others to worship their own concept of God. Yours applies to you its not for everyone.

 

[Quantrill]

It cant be wrong for others to worship their own concept of God. Yours applies to you its not for everyone.

The wrong is not against me, but against God. In that day, what do you think He will say?

Quantrill

 

[ding]

You cant die

Your body can most certainly die. And just because your spirit lives on, that doesn't mean anything is possible. If you had argued that when the body dies so do carnal impulses, I would have agreed. I just think it's important to not make God look bad or give people the wrong idea.

 

[Hafar1014]

Your body can most certainly die. And just because your spirit lives on, that doesn't mean anything is possible. If you had argued that when the body dies so do carnal impulses, I would have agreed. I just think it's important to not make God look bad or give people the wrong idea.

The afterlife is just part of our existence. With no physical body you can be anything you like

 

[ding]

The afterlife is just part of our existence. With no physical body you can be anything you like

Like a pedophile or rapist or murder?

 

[Hafar1014]

Like a pedophile or rapist or murder?

I wouldnt know but it is what it is and there isnt anything you can do about it

 

[ding]

I wouldnt know but it is what it is and there isnt anything you can do about it

Then you don't know what it is. Which means you don't know if it could be anything or not. I agree it is what it is.

Just curious... does Hitler get to enjoy the same privileges as you?

 

[Hafar1014]

Then you don't know what it is. Which means you don't know if it could be anything or not. I agree it is what it is.

Just curious... does Hitler get to enjoy the same privileges as you?

No I have had good experiences with the after life. Even saved my life once

 

[ding]

No I have had good experiences with the after life. Even saved my life once

Does Hitler get to enjoy the same privileges as you?

 

[GLASNOST]

God has always been a 'Person'. He just hasn't always been 'human'. Jesus Christ.
Perhaps to you He is the worst. To me He is the greatest and worthy of all worship. In fact, He is so worthy, it is wrong not to worship Him. Quantrill

That's why Noah took you with him.

 

[BULLDOG]

The odds aren't pretty low, they are practically zero. And it's not a sky fairy but the constant presence of mind. I don't believe in sky fairies either.

Define constant presence of mind.

 

[Slyhunter]

But you did take a side. You said the universe providing for its creatures is an accident. And you did so after stating that it is possible a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise. If it were possible a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise, then the universe providing for its creatures wouldn't be an accident.

Agnostic isn't about not taking sides. Agnostic is about believing that nothing can be known one way or the other concerning God. By arguing it's an accident that the universe provides for its creatures you are saying you know it's not due to God.

It is also possible it is aa side effect of it's purpose.

what purpose?
I don't know.

 

[Slyhunter]

Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I don't know many people who put complete trust in something or someone without good reason. Do you?

I know you should be careful whom you place your faith and/or trust in.

 

[Slyhunter]

No. Not really. Try making that argument with violent crimes like rape and murder.

Go back in time and murder Hitler.