Why Is This Not A National Tragedy?

[2aguy]

Nope......these are tiny neighborhoods where these shootings happen...the rest of the gun owning country...don't shoot other people.....

320 million guns in private hands....let's compare zeros...perhaps then it will sink in...

320,000,000 vs. 8,124 gun murders.........the majority by career criminals murdering career criminals...

320,000,000
vs.
_____8,124

notice the difference between the 2 numbers......

391,991,876 guns weren't used to commit murder...

13 million Americans carry guns legally and without committing murder...

It isn't a majority of gun owners who are not the problem..it is a super, super, super majority of gun owners who own guns and don't shoot anyone....and are not a problem....

minorities in democrat voting districts are shooting each other at huge rates.....focus on that...and you will make a difference...

It was 13,000,001 up until the other day in Colorado. The number gets smaller all the time.

We have thousands of murders per year thanks to the 2nd amendment.
In Europe they have hundreds thanks to not having the 2nd amendment.

Wrong on all counts…..Europe had less gun murder before they ever banned guns…..banning guns did not change their gun murder rate it stayed the same……and their criminals and mass shooters can still get guns…as every shooting in Europe shows and Paris shows in particular…..their criminals do not commit murder as often as our democrat thugs do in our inner cities….it is a choice, and not something prevented by gun control…

In the United States we have 13 million people carrying guns for self defense…..we have 1.5 million times a year, according to bill clinton that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives

we have 8,124 gun murders by people using guns illegally, the majority of those shootings are violent career criminals murdering other career criminals in democrat controlled cities…..

We have thousands upon thousands of lives saved because of the 2nd Amendment….

And to top it all off…..Europe sent 12 million innocent men, women and children to German death camps….for no reason other than the german leadership didn't like them…..and all of those men and women were unarmed, and helpless to stop it.


The crazy part….after that happened…Europeans gave up their guns…again…….believing that countries that in the recent past gave up innocent men, women and children to genocide and mass murder…should be trusted with the only guns in their countries……….if that isn't stupid, what is…..?

Just a reminder folks, the supposed 1.5 million defenses that prevented "violent crimes" (how do they know the crimes would be violent if the thing was prevented is another story) was originally 2.5 million. It was winnowed down for "believeability" sake.

But even if you were gullible enough to believe that 1.5 million times a day someone prevents a "violent crime" using their gun, you would have to explain why you don't hear constant gunshots outside of your window....why you don't see bullet holes in the sides of buildings when you drive to work and why you (likely) do not know of anyone or anyone who knows of anyone who ever prevented a crime using a gun or otherwise.

And keep in mind, the assclown who keeps insisting this is true expects you to believe this: That every person you see in this picture stopped a violent crime last year using a firearm

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And the year before...and the year before....and the year before....and the year before...and will do so next year and the year after that...and the year after that...and the year after that.

Pretty hard to believe isn't it? Well...yes it is. Because what you see above is only 100,000 people. What the ass clown expects you to believe is that THIS many people stopped a violent crime using a firearm this year:

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And the year before...and the year before....and the year before....and the year before...and will do so next year and the year after that...and the year after that...and the year after that.
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Remember, I'm not the one saying that. the assclown who keeps posting the ridiculous stat is (keep in mind, the original lie was 2.5 million which would add ten stadiums to the image.).

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Actually, "folks" I cite the bill clinton dept. of Justice study lately because it is hard for people like candy corn and the other anti gunners to deny a study by their personal Jesus…bill clinton….his study shows 1.5 million times that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack….

I will now post what the rest of the research shows….that the average of all the studies that actually researched the defensive use of guns by civilians..,..not military, and not police was 2 million…..the number candy corn mentions is the one really accurate study…where he found that Americans use guns 2.5 million times a year….I used to post that one all the time but found it funny to use bill clinton's study…….kind of shuts up the gun grabbers knowing that the guy who signed the assault weapon ban commissioned a study to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's number….and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses….

Here is all of the research that is readily accessible……with links…and highlights…the bill clinton Department of Justice study is the study from 1994….

Thank you candy corn for giving me another reason to post the 40 years of research into defensive gun use……by trained researchers in sociology, criminology, and economics….

I just averaged the studies......

Translation....he got caught cooking the numbers and is now lying about the methodology. The classic "this isn't what it looks like" everyone says when they get caught.

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

Who got caught doing what…..this is a study by bill clinton….he was trying to refute the major study by Dr. Gary Kleck who put the number at 2.5 million times a year……actual researchers……over 40 years…in a country of over 320 million people……where most defenses do not end in injury or death…..

 

[2aguy]

Nope......these are tiny neighborhoods where these shootings happen...the rest of the gun owning country...don't shoot other people.....

320 million guns in private hands....let's compare zeros...perhaps then it will sink in...

320,000,000 vs. 8,124 gun murders.........the majority by career criminals murdering career criminals...

320,000,000
vs.
_____8,124

notice the difference between the 2 numbers......

391,991,876 guns weren't used to commit murder...

13 million Americans carry guns legally and without committing murder...

It isn't a majority of gun owners who are not the problem..it is a super, super, super majority of gun owners who own guns and don't shoot anyone....and are not a problem....

minorities in democrat voting districts are shooting each other at huge rates.....focus on that...and you will make a difference...

It was 13,000,001 up until the other day in Colorado. The number gets smaller all the time.

We have thousands of murders per year thanks to the 2nd amendment.
In Europe they have hundreds thanks to not having the 2nd amendment.

Wrong on all counts…..Europe had less gun murder before they ever banned guns…..banning guns did not change their gun murder rate it stayed the same……and their criminals and mass shooters can still get guns…as every shooting in Europe shows and Paris shows in particular…..their criminals do not commit murder as often as our democrat thugs do in our inner cities….it is a choice, and not something prevented by gun control…

In the United States we have 13 million people carrying guns for self defense…..we have 1.5 million times a year, according to bill clinton that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives

we have 8,124 gun murders by people using guns illegally, the majority of those shootings are violent career criminals murdering other career criminals in democrat controlled cities…..

We have thousands upon thousands of lives saved because of the 2nd Amendment….

And to top it all off…..Europe sent 12 million innocent men, women and children to German death camps….for no reason other than the german leadership didn't like them…..and all of those men and women were unarmed, and helpless to stop it.


The crazy part….after that happened…Europeans gave up their guns…again…….believing that countries that in the recent past gave up innocent men, women and children to genocide and mass murder…should be trusted with the only guns in their countries……….if that isn't stupid, what is…..?

Just a reminder folks, the supposed 1.5 million defenses that prevented "violent crimes" (how do they know the crimes would be violent if the thing was prevented is another story) was originally 2.5 million. It was winnowed down for "believeability" sake.

But even if you were gullible enough to believe that 1.5 million times a day someone prevents a "violent crime" using their gun, you would have to explain why you don't hear constant gunshots outside of your window....why you don't see bullet holes in the sides of buildings when you drive to work and why you (likely) do not know of anyone or anyone who knows of anyone who ever prevented a crime using a gun or otherwise.

And keep in mind, the assclown who keeps insisting this is true expects you to believe this: That every person you see in this picture stopped a violent crime last year using a firearm

View attachment 55932​

​

And the year before...and the year before....and the year before....and the year before...and will do so next year and the year after that...and the year after that...and the year after that.

Pretty hard to believe isn't it? Well...yes it is. Because what you see above is only 100,000 people. What the ass clown expects you to believe is that THIS many people stopped a violent crime using a firearm this year:

View attachment 55933

And the year before...and the year before....and the year before....and the year before...and will do so next year and the year after that...and the year after that...and the year after that.
​

Remember, I'm not the one saying that. the assclown who keeps posting the ridiculous stat is (keep in mind, the original lie was 2.5 million which would add ten stadiums to the image.).

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Actually, "folks" I cite the bill clinton dept. of Justice study lately because it is hard for people like candy corn and the other anti gunners to deny a study by their personal Jesus…bill clinton….his study shows 1.5 million times that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack….

I will now post what the rest of the research shows….that the average of all the studies that actually researched the defensive use of guns by civilians..,..not military, and not police was 2 million…..the number candy corn mentions is the one really accurate study…where he found that Americans use guns 2.5 million times a year….I used to post that one all the time but found it funny to use bill clinton's study…….kind of shuts up the gun grabbers knowing that the guy who signed the assault weapon ban commissioned a study to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's number….and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses….

Here is all of the research that is readily accessible……with links…and highlights…the bill clinton Department of Justice study is the study from 1994….

Thank you candy corn for giving me another reason to post the 40 years of research into defensive gun use……by trained researchers in sociology, criminology, and economics….

I just averaged the studies......

Translation....he got caught cooking the numbers and is now lying about the methodology. The classic "this isn't what it looks like" everyone says when they get caught.

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

And thanks again for the opportunity to re post the actual studies, and the number of times they have found Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives…..

I will high light the bill clinton study…and I will also high light the research into guns that barak obama made the CDC do…he gave them 10 million dollars in 2013…….and they found that defensive gun research put the number between 500,000 and 3 million…….those guys are now in the antarctic along with bill clinton's reseachers…

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( bill clinton Department of Justice STudy)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)….


Notice the number of studies….the average of non military, non police puts the number at 2 million times a year….which is not out of the range of all the research…..

 

[2aguy]

Chicago Tribune
3 dead, 5 wounded in Chicago shootings

Updated at 8:17 am


I understand why the Colorado Springs shooting is a tragedy, but my question is, why is this not? Why is it of the attitude, it is just Chicago.
The lives of those killed and injured are of importance, too. All 8 were within 24 hours. Three separate incidence involved someone exiting a dark/black sedan and firing on others in different places. Another involved someone exiting a white sedan.
.Why is this just accepted, and doesn't deserve the attention of federal authorities, as did the Colorado Springs incident?

What is wrong with this picture? I would like to hear from you.

Why is this allowed to go on? Why aren't all resources used to help weed this poison out? Why is it not a national conversation? Is it simply because of race? And if so, what does that say about our/their leaders, representatives? Ir has been happening for years and only getting worse.

Do remember that gun laws have not solved it. This is do e by illegally acquired guns. No amount of laws will prevent the bad guys from getting them. Only the vunerable, law abiding can't get them.

Why Is This Not A National Tragedy?

It is but at 9,000 gun murders a year we're used to it. Life is cheap here, very.

We don't even care about elementary school children getting mowed down in class.

The left wing anti gunners don't……they will not post armed security in these schools….and they won't let teachers or staff carry guns in some form….they keep our schools gun free zones for killers….while the politicians who deny children the protection they may need have heavily armed security in the buildings they work in…...

 

[2aguy]

Actually, "folks" I cite the bill clinton dept. of Justice study lately because it is hard for people like candy corn and the other anti gunners to deny a study by their personal Jesus…bill clinton….his study shows 1.5 million times that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack….

I will now post what the rest of the research shows….that the average of all the studies that actually researched the defensive use of guns by civilians..,..not military, and not police was 2 million…..the number candy corn mentions is the one really accurate study…where he found that Americans use guns 2.5 million times a year….I used to post that one all the time but found it funny to use bill clinton's study…….kind of shuts up the gun grabbers knowing that the guy who signed the assault weapon ban commissioned a study to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's number….and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses….

Here is all of the research that is readily accessible……with links…and highlights…the bill clinton Department of Justice study is the study from 1994….

Thank you candy corn for giving me another reason to post the 40 years of research into defensive gun use……by trained researchers in sociology, criminology, and economics….

I just averaged the studies......

Translation....he got caught cooking the numbers and is now lying about the methodology. The classic "this isn't what it looks like" everyone says when they get caught.

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

I guess you missed where Clinton you Know President Billy "we all love him" democratic Clinton had a study done and it said 1,5 million. Not the NRA, not some independent researcher, but the Governments OWN study. I might add the study was instigated to prove the opposite and to attack firearms owners. Instead it JUSTIFIED carrying firearms as they save lives.

You love President Clinton? Perhaps you and Bill should get a room and do some polling.

Your own TEAM said 1.5 million uses. Not the NRA and not some gun nut, the President's team.

I have a team? Interesting.

Bureaucrats get it wrong all the time. Or do you suddenly trust the Federal Government?

Just out of curiosity do you honestly feel that 5,000 times a day someone really stops a "violent crime" with a gun? I know you'll say yes without hesitation or any sort of subjective or objective evidence because politically it behooves you to do so and intellectual dishonesty is the calling card of conservatives but I figured I'd ask anyway and see if you're actually capable of honesty.

40 years of research….by different researchers, both public and private……I have listed the studies and the results……and more than a few of those studies were by anti gun researchers hired by bill clinton, obama and others to disprove the number of times guns are used defensively…..and you can see their findings in their studies….

 

[whitehall]

File this under "pretty ironic". The guy who coined the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste" while he worked for Obama is now caught up in a crisis. Demands for the resignation of democrat Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel over the Police shooting of a Black man are increasing. Emanuel's lame response is "wait for the next election".

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Chicago Tribune
3 dead, 5 wounded in Chicago shootings

Updated at 8:17 am


I understand why the Colorado Springs shooting is a tragedy, but my question is, why is this not? Why is it of the attitude, it is just Chicago.
The lives of those killed and injured are of importance, too. All 8 were within 24 hours. Three separate incidence involved someone exiting a dark/black sedan and firing on others in different places. Another involved someone exiting a white sedan.
.Why is this just accepted, and doesn't deserve the attention of federal authorities, as did the Colorado Springs incident?

What is wrong with this picture? I would like to hear from you.

Why is this allowed to go on? Why aren't all resources used to help weed this poison out? Why is it not a national conversation? Is it simply because of race? And if so, what does that say about our/their leaders, representatives? Ir has been happening for years and only getting worse.

Do remember that gun laws have not solved it. This is do e by illegally acquired guns. No amount of laws will prevent the bad guys from getting them. Only the vunerable, law abiding can't get them.

Why Is This Not A National Tragedy?

It is but at 9,000 gun murders a year we're used to it. Life is cheap here, very.

We don't even care about elementary school children getting mowed down in class.

The left wing anti gunners don't……they will not post armed security in these schools….and they won't let teachers or staff carry guns in some form….they keep our schools gun free zones for killers….while the politicians who deny children the protection they may need have heavily armed security in the buildings they work in…...

No guns around the kids unless they are on professionals there only to protect the kids, nothing else.

 

[Freewill]

Why, Luddly? Why is it just accepted? Why is it less worse than the other? Even before any officers were shot, it was national headline news. Was it because the potential ,of more harm was greater? Even the 3 killed in Colorado Springs on Oct. 31, made headline news. Yet these, will be but a blip on the screen.

It is.

And Chicago is far from the worst.

well, it differs from Colorado because it isn't an act of terrorism.

why isn't the murder of a kid with a pocketknife by a cop who fires 15 bullets into him for no reason a national tragedy?

Why is Colorado terrorism?

 

[candycorn]

In the spirit of doing nothing other than cut and pasting stuff:

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked by the gun nuts to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In the spirit of doing nothing other than cut and pasting stuff:

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked by the gun nuts to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

You can post that as many times as you want and the response is that President Bill Clinton and President Barrack Obama both paid for a study to disprove it and in both cases the study found it was in fact TRUE.

 

[candycorn]

In the spirit of doing nothing other than cut and pasting stuff:

All you need to know is this:

You're being asked by the gun nuts to believe that everyone you see in this picture--1.5 million just average gun bearing people (outside of cops/military)

Stopped violent crimes (again, how do you know a crime was going to be a violent crime if you stopped it????) using a gun
in each of the following years:
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015

These are the facts--that he expects you to believe that 23,000,000+ violent crimes were stopped by gun owners-- and they are not in dispute. You'll see 2-3 posts after this to obscure the facts above but you won't see a denial.

This is what you're being asked to believe. Basically this boob wants you to believe that the equivalent of the population of greater New York City including the burbs in CT, NJ, and NY State actively stopped a "violent crime" using a gun. And keep in mind, the number WAS almost double before he cooked up the latest fantasy.

Yet, if you're like most people, you know nobody who ever did such a thing and know of no one who knows of anybody who has.. Just apply the smell test.

You can post that as many times as you want and the response is that President Bill Clinton and President Barrack Obama both paid for a study to disprove it and in both cases the study found it was in fact TRUE.

If you believe the obviously goofy figures; you have to believe that (roughly) 9 "violent crimes" were prevented by a gun wielding citizen in the time it takes you to read this sentence. That is 9 times every 30 seconds; every 30 seconds of every minute, of every day of every week, of every month of every year of every decade since 1992.

It is total garbage. But good to know you trust government bureaucrats.