Zone1 What was Mohammud's Dispute With The Jews Around Him ?

[surada]

the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of a faith

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not buy and sell slaves and participate in the slave trade ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not capture women and enslave them and and have sexual intercourse with these slaves - without a condition of mutual love and and full agreement of marriage ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews because - the Jews did not practice temporary short term " MUTTAH " marriages just for a few hours or days of sexual gratification ? - prostitution /

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not teach that divorce for any reason was justified in the eyes of God ?


was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not beat their wives when their wives disobeyed their husbands sexual demands ?

yes, the Quran is very different from the Bible - for example - -- - is this something that Muslims should hold against the Jews - - because the Jews believe that Marriage is a lifetime commitment ?

these types of differences are the only differences between Islam and Judaism - for example Jews Believe God is a Spirit - Muslims do not -

but yet Mohammud demands that the Jews are considered the most horrible and worst of all creatures upon the earth.

Muslims beat their wives with a scarf tied to a miswak. It's strictly symbolic.

Your author is pretty ignorant.

 

[surada]

ooh sure, the entire narrative of Islam is very iffy

unfortunately - the Pope and his children do believe Islam to be very important

important enough that the Pope believes that Muslims have a right to Jerusalem and a right to dispute with the Jews over holy land.

the Muslims are the one religious group that the Crusaders have always allowed to regain control of Jerusalem - the Roman Catholic Church has repeatedly handed Jerusalem back to the Muslims and promoted Islamic presence in Jerusalem

while restricting the idea of Jews returning to their homeland - meaning - the very small percentage of Jews already living in Israel were allowed to return after the Crusaders had left - but the Vatican fought against a worldwide effort for scattered Jews to re- poppulate

Arabs have been in Palestine since the Babylonian exile. Since Islam Muslims have always been a majority in Palestine.

 

[surada]

Khazars - Wikipedia

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The Khazars constituted one of the two great furnishers of slaves to the Muslim market (the other being the Iranian Sâmânid amîrs), supplying it with captured Slavs and tribesmen from the Eurasian northlands.

It profited from the latter which enabled it to maintain a standing army of Khwarezm Muslim troops. The capital Atil reflected the division: Kharazān on the western bank where the king and his Khazar elite, with a retinue of some 4,000 attendants, dwelt, and Itil proper to the East, inhabited by Jews, Christians, Muslims and slaves and by craftsmen and foreign merchants.

 

[Failzero]

Muslims beat their wives with a scarf tied to a miswak. It's strictly symbolic.

Your author is pretty ignorant.

They Stone them in Iran

 

[surada]

They Stone them in Iran

I think those photos were from rural Afghanistan.

I don't think they stone women. In the Gulf States they don't stone anyone.

It's pretty clear that the author is demonizing Palestinians..like Hitler demonized the Jews.

 

[surada]

Lol. Healthcare and education suffered through the stagnation of the Ottoman empire.

Probably the reason the majority of Muslims reject Caliphate.

 

[surada]

ooh sure, the entire narrative of Islam is very iffy

unfortunately - the Pope and his children do believe Islam to be very important

important enough that the Pope believes that Muslims have a right to Jerusalem and a right to dispute with the Jews over holy land.

the Muslims are the one religious group that the Crusaders have always allowed to regain control of Jerusalem - the Roman Catholic Church has repeatedly handed Jerusalem back to the Muslims and promoted Islamic presence in Jerusalem

while restricting the idea of Jews returning to their homeland - meaning - the very small percentage of Jews already living in Israel were allowed to return after the Crusaders had left - but the Vatican fought against a worldwide effort for scattered Jews to re- poppulate

The Vatican didn't cause your problems.

 

[bodecea]

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What was Mohammud's Dispute With The Jews Around Him ?


‘’ Mohammad claims that Islamic Torah and Gospels were already there with him at his time - Mohammad claims that Islamic Torah and Gospels were there with him confirming his very exact message. ‘’

Yet we see the Muslims of his day running around frantically, in a frenzied reverence just to go about scratching and etching upon stones, bark, wood, and animal skins, just to etch and scrawl something down that was already written in the Torah and Gospels.

All they had to do was go to a village or a city just a few miles away and make a copy and translate the scriptures. Yet, Islam goes through this entire process - of "" Re - Processing "" all of this information through another spiritual entity called " Gee - briel “ an angel “ and Mohammud is making the claim that all of this information was already written down and with them in the very same exact land where they lived. in Torah and Gospels -

as an already existing written book and an existing faith that was vindicating Islam


MOAHMMAUD HAD THE TORAH AND GOSPELS WITH HIM - all around him in the very land where he lived

and yet, his followers go around scrawling and scratching and etching on leaves, bark, wood and sticks, and rocks and skins, something that was already supposed to be in the same area where they lived. In The Torah and Gospels. How is this something revelatory or prophetic as "" revelations, "" to repeat stories and passages of a book that already supposedly already exists and is well known and spread to hundreds of thousands or people - just a few miles away from Mohammud's very doorstep ?

Surah 94: “ So, (O prophet,) EVEN IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT about what We have sent down to you, ASK THOSE WHO READ THE BOOK (revealed) before you. Surely, truth has come to you from your Lord, so NEVER BE AMONG THOSE who are suspicious.”

Here, the Quran is commanding people to believe in the Torah and Gospels and take these books as God's word and as truth, and to not be among those - who are suspicious…..

Yet, all the Muslims had to do was simply take a short journey and walk to a nearby city or ask among the passing caravans for a copy of the scriptures, yet they don’t do that….

instead they use Mohammad to contact some unknown, unseen spiritual identity - to tell them what a book says that already exists all around them - just a few miles from their doorstep.

Mohammad claims to be going about reciting the Torah and Gospels and throughout his whole life, Muslims are depicted as to clinging to every single last word
Mohammud is repeatedly continually demanding ! - - LOOK - CHECK - look CONFIRM - in the Torah and Gospels - this is my very message - my message is the same exact message that is also confirmed in the Torah and Gospels. -

HOW DOES THIS PROCESS MAKE SOMEONE A PROPHET - with revelation

- he is not even claiming or demonstrating to be prophesying and foretelling and revealing something that is unknown and showing people something that is unknown and needs to be revealed...... Mohammud's claim and very words in the Quran continually repeat the same message saying that " my very Islamic message - my message, is the same exact message that is also confirmed in the Torah and Gospels. "

Is this process truly confirming something as prophecy and revelation and truth by taking the contents from one book that is available for everyone and then translating and copying them into another language. ?



In conclusion - - I ask Muslims one single question

what was it about the faith and belief system of the Jews where Mohammud lived that was in disobedience and against the core teachings of the Quran ?

I submit that there is not a single piece of any evidence that demonstrates that the Jews where Mohammud lived were in conflict nor disagreement with the core teachings of the Quran. in fact the Jews did not reject Mohammud’s core basic message about God’s laws, the jews did not disagree with Mohammud about the oneness of God =

the jews did not disagree with anything regarding the moral code of God and his laws about idols and sin and the commandments of God.

so - what was Mohammud’s big problem with the jews ?

what was Mohammud upset with the jews about concerning their faith ?

the jews around Mohammud believed that God was one single God - the jews did not worship idols and other God’ s – in fact the jews around Mohammud - they rejected that jesus was the son of God, the jews accepted every single last commandment that Mohammud concluded about basic critical laws of God

Mohammud mentions nothing about moral or law disagreements that he had with the jews,

the jews around Mohammud - are not shown to have disagreed with Mohammuds moral code - every single commandment and every single critical core and basic law and ordinance of God that Mohammud eventually decided - the jews obeyed and believed.

Yet - Mohammud - demands that the jews are the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.

Can Muslims can produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran - or - a single example - where that the jews around Mohammud failed to accept the laws of God or failed to believe and accept in the moral code of every single last thing in the quran.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran



the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of a faith.

in Fact - The Jews held to even a much stricter law and teaching about not divorcing your wife for no just cause or reason

the jews accepted every single last core and basic commandment that Mohammud concluded about basic critical laws of God - Mohammud mentions nothing about moral or law disagreements that he had with the jews. The jews around Mohammud - are not shown to have disagreed with Mohammuds moral code - every single commandment and every single critical core and basic law and ordinance of God that Mohammud eventually decided - the jews obeyed and believed.

Yet, Mohammud - demands that the jews are the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.

Can Muslims can produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran - or - a single example - where that the jews around Mohammud failed to accept the laws of God within the Quran or failed to believe and accept in the core principles of moral code of every single last thing in the quran.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran ?



the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of a faith

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not buy and sell slaves and participate in the slave trade ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not capture women and enslave them and and have sexual intercourse with these slaves without a condition of mutual love and and full agreement of marriage ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews because - the Jews did not practice temporary short term " MUTTAH " marriages just for a few hours or days of sexual gratification ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not teach that divorce for any reason was justified in the eyes of God ?


was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not beat their wives when their wives disobeyed their husbands sexual demands and ?

Quran 4:34) for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the core teachings and core principles of the quran - - to the degree that would castigate the jews as the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.


the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of ones faith

but yet Mohammud demands that the Jews are considered the most horrible and worst of all creatures upon the earth.

He expected them to con-vert to Islam and when they didn't, he turned on him.....just like Martin Luther did centuries later. Jews are smart to not trust fundies for that very reason today.

 

[surada]

What do you mean "townies"? ... if the people who living in the towns weren't Bedouin, what were they? ... because Muhammad was born and raised in Mecca ... and as an adult, was a caravan leader from Mecca to Jerusalem ... [smile] ... he married into wealth ...

I think in religious matters, there's no difference between the nomadic herders and the settlements at the wells and oases ... towns and villages if you wish ... we don't have to call Ottumwa a "farming community" ... but it is a community of farmers ...

The settled Townies raised grain. The Bedouin needed that. It was a very symbiotic relationship..

Living in the desert and moving periodically looking for pasture and water was healthier for infants and small children than living in the towns and villages.

Curiously Bedouin carried their God or gods around in a box on a litter..usually a small meteorite.

 

[surada]

He expected them to con-vert to Islam and when they didn't, he turned on him.....just like Martin Luther did centuries later. Jews are smart to not trust fundies for that very reason today.

Nope. Muhammed protected the Christians of Najran after the Jewish king killed 2000 of them because they wouldn't convert.

 

[Failzero]

If Khadijah had not died and kept her man outta Caves the world would be a better Place .

 

[irosie91]

Arabs have been in Palestine since the Babylonian exile. Since Islam Muslims have always been a majority in Palestine.

Make that-- Since muslims invaded, raped, murdered in and pillaged "PALESTINE". "ARABS"
remains undefined. Today even Egyptians are "arabs" At the time of the birth of the rapist
dog of arabia ( that is the dog of mecca---"arabia" was nothing more than "ashkenaz" ---a
large land mass. ) Mecca was a place----a kind of watering hole for ISHMAELITES---the
nomads of arabia, and the criminals. slave traders and caravan robbers of the wilderness
called "arabia". The term ISHMAELITE is biblical and refers to groups of people who do
not build permanent homes and are illiterate and dangerously criminal

 

[irosie91]

Muslims beat their wives with a scarf tied to a miswak. It's strictly symbolic.

Your author is pretty ignorant.

Surada has not dealt with the medical issues of a whole lot of muslim ladies.

 

[surada]

Make that-- Since muslims invaded, raped, murdered in and pillaged "PALESTINE". "ARABS"
remains undefined. Today even Egyptians are "arabs" At the time of the birth of the rapist
dog of arabia ( that is the dog of mecca---"arabia" was nothing more than "ashkenaz" ---a
large land mass. ) Mecca was a place----a kind of watering hole for ISHMAELITES---the
nomads of arabia, and the criminals. slave traders and caravan robbers of the wilderness
called "arabia". The term ISHMAELITE is biblical and refers to groups of people who do
not build permanent homes and are illiterate and dangerously criminal

Lol you think all Arabs were Bedouin? How stupid.

 

[surada]

Surada has not dealt with the medical issues of a whole lot of muslim ladies.

Neither have you. You've never been out of the US.

 

[surada]

He expected them to con-vert to Islam and when they didn't, he turned on him.....just like Martin Luther did centuries later. Jews are smart to not trust fundies for that very reason today.

The Jewish king of Yemen slaughtered Christians who refused to convert to Judaism.

 

[irosie91]

Lol you think all Arabs were Bedouin? How stupid.

Surada imagines that she can read minds. She is not alone----I have
encountered such people on request and asked for VDRL. Her statement
belies her claim to sophistication. In fact, usage of the term "arab" way back
then is questionable----BUT the term ISHMAELITE was in use (translation from
the hebrew term ishmaeli ) which did, long before the birth of muhummmad,
describe that which bedouins were----nomads, illiterate, and prone to
criminality and dealers in slaves. In the bible---JOSEPH gets sold to ishmaelis
who were traveling from the east---with "precious scents" on to Egypt.
By the time Muhummad was born, Mecca was a bit sophisticated---harboring
literate people---zoroastrians, jews and christians and even BEDOUINS who
got some smarts and wealth. King Abdullah is a Bedouin by family background.
I have it from a person who had some dealing with his FATHER, King Hussein---
that daddy of Abdullah was a really nice guy. ---literate, living in a house etc etc.

 

[Blaster]

"And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house." -- Matthew 13:57

For this they nailed Him to the cross ...

He died for our sins.

 

[surada]

Surada imagines that she can read minds. She is not alone----I have
encountered such people on request and asked for VDRL. Her statement
belies her claim to sophistication. In fact, usage of the term "arab" way back
then is questionable----BUT the term ISHMAELITE was in use (translation from
the hebrew term ishmaeli ) which did, long before the birth of muhummmad,
describe that which bedouins were----nomads, illiterate, and prone to
criminality and dealers in slaves. In the bible---JOSEPH gets sold to ishmaelis
who were traveling from the east---with "precious scents" on to Egypt.
By the time Muhummad was born, Mecca was a bit sophisticated---harboring
literate people---zoroastrians, jews and christians and even BEDOUINS who
got some smarts and wealth. King Abdullah is a Bedouin by family background.
I have it from a person who had some dealing with his FATHER, King Hussein---
that daddy of Abdullah was a really nice guy. ---literate, living in a house etc etc.

Arabs have also lived in settled towns and villages for thousands of years. Look at the ancient villages named after the sons of Keturah.

Hating is a huge waste of energy.

 

[irosie91]

The Jewish king of Yemen slaughtered Christians who refused to convert to Judaism.

^^^^ An arab legend----In fact the Jews of Yemen were engaged in tribal warfare
with christians who had invaded from Ethiopia----a short trip by boat. They
were even marrying Ethiopian women before christianity happened----ASK EZRA
who never suggested converting Ethiopians----??? a bit of a snob, he wanted
Jews to marry Jews.