WSJ - Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

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Questioning the jabs on a mainstream publication like the WSJ is encouraging, although this is really one of the more insignificant stories that should be getting coverage around the jab. So, apparently it's the vaccinated who are the criminals spreading new, vaccine immune Covid strains!

Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations.

“Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.

The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.


 
When you cannot eradicate a virus, you run the risk of creating variants. SO, the answer is yes. You will create new variants as they can change even with the clot shot..
 
The good or bad thing about antivaxxism, depending how you look at it, is that it's self-correcting.

Tiktok, tiktok, tiktok, tiktok, tiktok, ... for antivaxxers, it's just a matter of when.
Most of us had Covid. There is no countdown on us. You, on the other hand, should be worried.
 
Questioning the jabs on a mainstream publication like the WSJ is encouraging, although this is really one of the more insignificant stories that should be getting coverage around the jab. So, apparently it's the vaccinated who are the criminals spreading new, vaccine immune Covid strains!

Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations.

“Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.

The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.


So I get slightly higher with Bivalent vacine booster I got in November. I survived the first one, lliving at 10,000 feet before any treatments at all had come along. As long as I don't get this new one before the 2nd week of February, I'm good. I really don't care if you get it or not, as I don't know you. Take the jab. Don't take the jab. It's all the same to me.
 
The OP, of course, is garbage science. But then, it came from the WSJ opinion page, and that's crank heaven.

Viruses do not have intelligence. They do not "try" to get around vaccines.

Viruses just mutate randomly in every direction. The more viruses, the more mutations. That is, the more COVID cases, the more mutations.

The best way to stop mutations is to reduce cases of COVID. That's why the variants don't arise in nations with high vaccination rates.

The bivalent vaccine does provide some protection against new variants. Having previously had COVID provides almost none.
 
Oh yes, SARS2 will try to thwart vaccines, but the prisoners learned nothing when we first showed them the vaccine link to the Omicron N969K mutation.

Before recombination to produce this XBB 1.5, there were 14 mutations involved. None of the prisoners on this thread can name one new XBB 1.5 mutation, the topic of this thread. The best way to stop mutations, is to learn about mutations. None of these media reports, OP included as far as is known, tell the prisoners what the new mutations are.
 
The OP, of course, is garbage science. But then, it came from the WSJ opinion page, and that's crank heaven.

Viruses do not have intelligence. They do not "try" to get around vaccines.

Viruses just mutate randomly in every direction. The more viruses, the more mutations. That is, the more COVID cases, the more mutations.

The best way to stop mutations is to reduce cases of COVID. That's why the variants don't arise in nations with high vaccination rates.

The bivalent vaccine does provide some protection against new variants. Having previously had COVID provides almost none.

No, I know several people who have had covid once and don't catch it again and they've never had the shots. My friends who have had the shots catch it over and over and over. It provides no protection. It does cause injury and death.
 
The OP, of course, is garbage science. But then, it came from the WSJ opinion page, and that's crank heaven.
Yet the OP cites three studies by recognized groups in the medical field.
Viruses just mutate randomly in every direction. The more viruses, the more mutations. That is, the more COVID cases, the more mutations.
And there's the problem......to get it in check, you need a new vax to stop the latest mutations. There are other studies that are finding possible long terms alterations to your immune system from these vaxes.
 
The best way to stop mutations, is to learn about mutations.

So learning about mutations stops the virus from mutating in some unvaccinated person in India?

That's completely insane.

That is where the mutations come from, you know, unvaccinated people who catch COVID. Come on, learn the basics.
 
So learning about mutations stops the virus from mutating in some unvaccinated person in India?

That's completely insane.

That is where the mutations come from, you know, unvaccinated people who catch COVID. Come on, learn the basics.
Complete insanity is taking a shot that has not undergone intense long term testing. Equally insane is using the general public as Guinea Pigs.
 
So learning about mutations stops the virus from mutating in some unvaccinated person in India?

That's completely insane.

That is where the mutations come from, you know, unvaccinated people who catch COVID. Come on, learn the basics.
Knowing what mutation(s) to target stops the virus from killing a lab mouse. Omicron's origins are from mice, according to one groups of scientists (USMB search Omicron origin').

Knowing about mutations also allows one to catch the CDC when they tamper with mutations on their webpages, as happened with the ones they changed on the internet that shows the virus has two choices at position 417: N (asparagine) or T (threonine). The CDC took out the threonine for some reason, that would have alerted the knowledgeable reader to something scientifically esoteric.
 
And none of them support the loopy claim that vaccines cause more mutations.

That's a standard junk pseudoscience thing, citing sources that don't support their very odd conclusions.
No Homo sapiens has yet confronted or publically debated the Omicron N969K mutation, which is a vaccine-linked mutation.
 

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