WSJ - Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

[mamooth]

Knowing what mutation(s) to target stops the virus from killing a lab mouse. Omicron's origins are from mice, according to one groups of scientists (USMB search Omicron origin').

A quick search reveals that Omicron originated in Africa, which has a low vaccination rate.

Knowing about mutations also allows one to catch the CDC when they tamper with mutations on their webpages, as happened with the ones they changed on the internet that shows the virus has two choices at position 417: N (asparagine) or T (threonine). The CDC took out the threonine for some reason, that would have alerted the knowledgeable reader to something scientifically esoteric.

That's correct. If you just toss out some random technobabble, then your conspiracy theory becomes true.

 

[HeyNorm]

You'll still be saying that in 20 years.

However, it's just as stupid to say it now.

Complete insanity is injecting a fluid into your body that has not undergone extensive long term medical testing will be as valid a statement twenty years from now as it was twenty years ago.

 

[Delldude]

That is where the mutations come from, you know, unvaccinated people who catch COVID.

So what happens when a four times vaxed person gets covid again? The virus mutates again without an unvaxxed person.

And none of them support the loopy claim that vaccines cause more mutations.

No they are saying the vax may be causing the immune system to not respond as well to new mutations.

 

[badger2]

A quick search reveals that Omicron originated in Africa, which has a low vaccination rate.


That's correct. If you just toss out some random technobabble, then your conspiracy theory becomes true.

Your mistake is to think that other scientists cannot read amino acid texts. To you it is "technobabble.' Omicron may have arisen in Africa, though there is suspicion about Omicron Patient Zero's immune competence, vaccinated or not. Because you have apparently not read the scientific article about Omicron's origins, you can't debate the science correctly in front of the other prisoners.

 

[badger2]

So what happens when a four times vaxed person gets covid again? The virus mutates again without an unvaxxed person.

No they are saying the vax may be causing the immune system to not respond as well to new mutations.

The host's response (vaccinated or not) to Omicron may not be a fault, which is the point of the argument: why did Omicron itself mutate at a vaccine-relevant place on the spike protein of SARS2? No Homo sapiens has yet seemed to address this question.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Surprised to see the atlantic publishing this. They're usually shilling for pfizer, pharma, and govt mandates.

Did a Famous Doctor’s COVID Shot Make His Cancer Worse?

A lifelong promoter of vaccines suspects he might be the rare, unfortunate exception.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Complete insanity is injecting a fluid into your body that has not undergone extensive long term medical testing will be as valid a statement twenty years from now as it was twenty years ago.

They let them inject them with this experimental deadly injection with no questions asked......as many times as pfizer wants them to be injected. They will do it willingly. Its an amazing thing to watch.

 

[SweetSue92]

Thanks for reminding me to schedule #5.

Why? Because staying alive rocks.

Incoming: mudblood

 

[SweetSue92]

The OP, of course, is garbage science. But then, it came from the WSJ opinion page, and that's crank heaven.

Viruses do not have intelligence. They do not "try" to get around vaccines.

Viruses just mutate randomly in every direction. The more viruses, the more mutations. That is, the more COVID cases, the more mutations.

The best way to stop mutations is to reduce cases of COVID. That's why the variants don't arise in nations with high vaccination rates.

The bivalent vaccine does provide some protection against new variants. Having previously had COVID provides almost none.

You're lost. There's so much misinformation here....but I know you won't hear it. Lost.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Questioning the jabs on a mainstream publication like the WSJ is encouraging, although this is really one of the more insignificant stories that should be getting coverage around the jab. So, apparently it's the vaccinated who are the criminals spreading new, vaccine immune Covid strains!

Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations.

“Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.

The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.

Opinion | Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.

www.wsj.com

All believers in the science time to Roll up your sleeves for boosters

It's the right thing to do
Youre selfless heros

 

[ninja007]

A DR ON STEW PETERS SHOW SAID THAT EVEN FLU JAB IS ONLY 15% EFFECTIVE ***IF*** ITS THE PROPER/CURRENT STRAIN LOL.

 

[mamooth]

Two years ago, most of the antivaxxers here declared that everyone receiving the vaccine would be dead in a year.

Well, we see how that turned out.

Fear not. Doomsday cults have an answer for failure. Whenever their predicted doomsday fails to arrive, they just push the date of doomsday back a little more.

I do wish the antivaxxers could give us the reasoning behind their conspiracy babbling. Why would the global elites want to kill their most loyal followers?

 

[Burgermeister]

Two years ago, most of the antivaxxers here declared that everyone receiving the vaccine would be dead in a year.

Not true. Strawman.

Not a strawman - Two years ago, vaxxers declared that the jab protected against the infection and prevented transmission.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Two years ago, most of the antivaxxers here declared that everyone receiving the vaccine would be dead in a year.

Well, we see how that turned out.

Fear not. Doomsday cults have an answer for failure. Whenever their predicted doomsday fails to arrive, they just push the date of doomsday back a little more.

I do wish the antivaxxers could give us the reasoning behind their conspiracy babbling. Why would the global elites want to kill their most loyal followers?

I've had almost every conventional vaccine but no mRNA. Am I an anti-vaxxer?

 

[mamooth]

I've had almost every conventional vaccine but no mRNA. Am I an anti-vaxxer?

Is there any point to that question?

You seem to think it's important. Why?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Is there any point to that question?

You seem to think it's important. Why?

Yes, there is a point. You can't tie the two together. Broad brushing and labeling everyone anti-vaxxers who oppose these injections is simply not true and disinformation. Anyone who posts such garbage has no credibility.

 

[mamooth]

Yes, there is a point. You can't tie the two together. Broad brushing and labeling everyone anti-vaxxers who oppose these injections is simply not true and disinformation. Anyone who posts such garbage has no credibility.

Well, that would be true if there was a problem with the mRNA vaccines, and if you weren't just blindly parroting really dumb party pseudoscience.

But there's no problem, and you are.

 

[badger2]

No, there is a problem.
Flutrackers 5 Jan 2023 @ 4:53 AM, Circulating Spike Myocarditis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih/36597886

 

[badger2]

Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post-COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis - PubMed

Immunoprofiling of vaccinated adolescents and young adults revealed that the mRNA vaccine-induced immune responses did not differ between individuals who developed myocarditis and individuals who did not. However, free spike antigen was detected in the blood of adolescents and young adults who...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Well, that would be true if there was a problem with the mRNA vaccines, and if you weren't just blindly parroting really dumb party pseudoscience.

But there's no problem, and you are.

There is a problem with the mRNA injections and it has been well documented. Badger has been relentless on posting highly credible research with peers.