Why do pro choicers get upset when...

[nodoginnafight]

So if someone is raping you - then only you and the rapist have any say in that matter, huh? Because it doesn't affect anyone else?

That's a tired old argument that has been debunked a long time ago.

Protecting those who are too weak to protect themselves is one of the main reasons to write laws. I believe our laws should protect all humans who fall under our jurisdiction.

WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. Sorry, but whether or not a woman goes through a pregnancy is her decision. That's all there is to it. Mind YOUR business and don't get an abortion if you don't want to.

If you believe a fetus is a human being, and you believe all human beings are entitled to protection under our legal system, then we all have a say.

The rape analogy is to illustrate that a crime doesn't have to happen to me before I have a right to my say in how we as Americans handle it. I'm sorry that went over your head. You keep repeating the same simple-minded arguments that just - honestly - do not hold water.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

I respect you and your right to your position. I disagree however. If a woman doesn't want to stay married, so she kills her husband - we all have a say in how that will be handled.

When a woman's choice affects another human being, then I'm sorry - other people are going to stick their nose in.

Nope, it's up to the woman. Her choice.

I respectfully agree to disagree with you. When the life of another human is at stake - a human being who cannot speak out for himself or herself - I'll continue to try to get our nation to speak out for that child.

I'm losing the battle right now - but I believe I am in the right. I'm sure you believe you are in the right too.

Have a nice evening.

 

[ChrisL]

WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. Sorry, but whether or not a woman goes through a pregnancy is her decision. That's all there is to it. Mind YOUR business and don't get an abortion if you don't want to.

If you believe a fetus is a human being, and you believe all human beings are entitled to protection under our legal system, then we all have a say.

The rape analogy is to illustrate that a crime doesn't have to happen to me before I have a right to my say in how we as Americans handle it. I'm sorry that went over your head. You keep repeating the same simple-minded arguments that just - honestly - do not hold water.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

I respect you and your right to your position. I disagree however. If a woman doesn't want to stay married, so she kills her husband - we all have a say in how that will be handled.

When a woman's choice affects another human being, then I'm sorry - other people are going to stick their nose in.

Nope, it's up to the woman. Her choice.

I respectfully agree to disagree with you. When the life of another human is at stake - a human being who cannot speak out for himself or herself - I'll continue to try to get our nation to speak out for that child.

I'm losing the battle right now - but I believe I am in the right. I'm sure you believe you are in the right too.

Have a nice evening.

Sure fine, we can agree to disagree. But pregnancy IS a medical condition and comes with risks up to an including loss of life.

 

[Mr.Right]

So if someone is raping you - then only you and the rapist have any say in that matter, huh? Because it doesn't affect anyone else?

That's a tired old argument that has been debunked a long time ago.

Protecting those who are too weak to protect themselves is one of the main reasons to write laws. I believe our laws should protect all humans who fall under our jurisdiction.

WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. Sorry, but whether or not a woman goes through a pregnancy is her decision. That's all there is to it. Mind YOUR business and don't get an abortion if you don't want to.

If you believe a fetus is a human being, and you believe all human beings are entitled to protection under our legal system, then we all have a say.

The rape analogy is to illustrate that a crime doesn't have to happen to me before I have a right to my say in how we as Americans handle it. I'm sorry that went over your head. You keep repeating the same simple-minded arguments that just - honestly - do not hold water.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

Aren't you glad your mother didn't abort you? Others were not so lucky.

If she did, I wouldn't know one way or the other.

You know what? There is a certain species of bird. Can't remember which one. It's on the endangered species list. Destroying one of their eggs is a felony. I don't know why. I mean, that stupid egg will never know if it's aborted.

 

[Mr.Right]

If you believe a fetus is a human being, and you believe all human beings are entitled to protection under our legal system, then we all have a say.

The rape analogy is to illustrate that a crime doesn't have to happen to me before I have a right to my say in how we as Americans handle it. I'm sorry that went over your head. You keep repeating the same simple-minded arguments that just - honestly - do not hold water.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

I respect you and your right to your position. I disagree however. If a woman doesn't want to stay married, so she kills her husband - we all have a say in how that will be handled.

When a woman's choice affects another human being, then I'm sorry - other people are going to stick their nose in.

Nope, it's up to the woman. Her choice.

I respectfully agree to disagree with you. When the life of another human is at stake - a human being who cannot speak out for himself or herself - I'll continue to try to get our nation to speak out for that child.

I'm losing the battle right now - but I believe I am in the right. I'm sure you believe you are in the right too.

Have a nice evening.

Sure fine, we can agree to disagree. But pregnancy IS a medical condition and comes with risks up to an including loss of life.

Crossing the street is more dangerous, yet people do it every day.

 

[rightwinger]

You don't want women to get an abortion?

Then eliminate her reason for getting one. Provide free birth control, Provide full neonatal coverage, make sure she doesn't lose her income, pay for childcare and supplement her income while her child is young

If you vote against those things, than stop bitching about abortion

The same people who ***** about abortion will oppose sex education, birth control and low cost childcare

 

[ChrisL]

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

I respect you and your right to your position. I disagree however. If a woman doesn't want to stay married, so she kills her husband - we all have a say in how that will be handled.

When a woman's choice affects another human being, then I'm sorry - other people are going to stick their nose in.

Nope, it's up to the woman. Her choice.

I respectfully agree to disagree with you. When the life of another human is at stake - a human being who cannot speak out for himself or herself - I'll continue to try to get our nation to speak out for that child.

I'm losing the battle right now - but I believe I am in the right. I'm sure you believe you are in the right too.

Have a nice evening.

Sure fine, we can agree to disagree. But pregnancy IS a medical condition and comes with risks up to an including loss of life.

Crossing the street is more dangerous, yet people do it every day.

Irrelevant. It is still the woman's choice whether or not she wants to risk her health and well being with a pregnancy.

You don't have to agree with it. You can think the person who gets an abortion is a disgusting selfish witch, or whatever. That does not change the fact that it is her personal decision to make.

 

[ChrisL]

WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. Sorry, but whether or not a woman goes through a pregnancy is her decision. That's all there is to it. Mind YOUR business and don't get an abortion if you don't want to.

If you believe a fetus is a human being, and you believe all human beings are entitled to protection under our legal system, then we all have a say.

The rape analogy is to illustrate that a crime doesn't have to happen to me before I have a right to my say in how we as Americans handle it. I'm sorry that went over your head. You keep repeating the same simple-minded arguments that just - honestly - do not hold water.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's not your decision to make. If a woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy, then she should never be forced. That is WRONG.

Aren't you glad your mother didn't abort you? Others were not so lucky.

If she did, I wouldn't know one way or the other.

You know what? There is a certain species of bird. Can't remember which one. It's on the endangered species list. Destroying one of their eggs is a felony. I don't know why. I mean, that stupid egg will never know if it's aborted.

Well, PEOPLE are not an endangered species.

 

[ChrisL]

You don't want women to get an abortion?

Then eliminate her reason for getting one. Provide free birth control, Provide full neonatal coverage, make sure she doesn't lose her income, pay for childcare and supplement her income while her child is young

If you vote against those things, than stop bitching about abortion

The same people who ***** about abortion will oppose sex education, birth control and low cost childcare

And caring for those unwanted children with their tax money.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A woman decides NOT to get an abortion? It is my belief that they are not pro choice after all. They are pro death.

no one gets upset when someone DOESN'T have an abortion. is that what the voices in your head told you?

people who are pro choice just want idiots like you to get your nose out of other people's business.

But, if they want birth control. It's my business and I got to pay for it.

You're either a liar or ignorant – likely both.

You don't 'pay' for abortion, no tax dollars are used to pay for the service.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I wonder if the veteran USMB nutters appreciate it when a new "conservative" with obvious limitations...like the OP.....shows up.

There has got to be some eye rolling going on.

I doubt if they even notice

True – most USMB rightists suffer from the same limitations.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

And you're entitled to your opinion, provided you understand it's legally invalid.

As a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a 'person,' consequently it is a personal decision, immune from attack by the state.

Privacy rights jurisprudence ensures that each citizen remains at liberty to decide the issue for himself, in good faith and in accordance with his own conscience, free from unwarranted interference by government.

 

[Dragonlady]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.[/QUOTE]

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.

 

[BlueGin]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter. Same holds true for pregnant women who are considered low income.

 

[ChrisL]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

And you're entitled to your opinion, provided you understand it's legally invalid.

As a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a 'person,' consequently it is a personal decision, immune from attack by the state.

Privacy rights jurisprudence ensures that each citizen remains at liberty to decide the issue for himself, in good faith and in accordance with his own conscience, free from unwarranted interference by government.

They don't really care about the "fetus" anyway. Give me a break. Why on earth would they care about someone else's embryo or fetus. This is about wanting to punish women. They don't like the fact that they have a "way out." They want to force them to be pregnant and deliver a child that they do not want as a form of punishment because they see these women as being "irresponsible."

 

[koshergrl]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.

Doesn't matter. Same holds true for pregnant women who are considered low income.[/QUOTE]
It's not true, anyway. All the stats that these whackos cite come from planned parenthood and their sister corp, the CDC...who admit the numbers are not accurate, representative, or even complete. The states with the biggest numbers of abortions aren't required to keep track. And nobody is required to tell the truth. There is no oversight. None.

 

[BlueGin]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.

Doesn't matter. Same holds true for pregnant women who are considered low income.

It's not true, anyway. All the stats that these whackos cite come from planned parenthood and their sister corp, the CDC...who admit the numbers are not accurate, representative, or even complete. The states with the biggest numbers of abortions aren't required to keep track. And nobody is required to tell the truth. There is no oversight. None.[/QUOTE]
I think the last statistics I saw were from the WSJ. Biggest demo for abortion were black and hispanic women between the ages if 20-30.

But yeah. I doubt it is reported accurately by PP.

 

[ChrisL]

These women who are getting abortions do not want to be pregnant. There is nothing anyone can do about that. You cannot force a woman to be pregnant if she does not want to be pregnant. That's all there is to it.

Also, abortion is not something new. In ancient times, women used to use herbal concoctions to induce miscarriages. It's not like this is some "new scourge on society." Women who did not wish to be pregnant or have children have been self-aborting for a very long time.

Encyclopedia of Women in the Ancient World - Joyce E. Salisbury - Google Books

 

[koshergrl]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.

Doesn't matter. Same holds true for pregnant women who are considered low income.

It's not true, anyway. All the stats that these whackos cite come from planned parenthood and their sister corp, the CDC...who admit the numbers are not accurate, representative, or even complete. The states with the biggest numbers of abortions aren't required to keep track. And nobody is required to tell the truth. There is no oversight. None.

I think the last statistics I saw were from the WSJ. Biggest demo for abortion were black and hispanic women between the ages if 20-30.

But yeah. I doubt it is reported accurately by PP.[/QUOTE]

No, it's not reported accurately by PP.

And everybody knows it.

 

[BlueGin]

[QUOTE="BlueGin, post: 11045104, ]
The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Most women who have abortions are not single. They're married, with one or more children. And they're poor.

Doesn't matter. Same holds true for pregnant women who are considered low income.

It's not true, anyway. All the stats that these whackos cite come from planned parenthood and their sister corp, the CDC...who admit the numbers are not accurate, representative, or even complete. The states with the biggest numbers of abortions aren't required to keep track. And nobody is required to tell the truth. There is no oversight. None.

I think the last statistics I saw were from the WSJ. Biggest demo for abortion were black and hispanic women between the ages if 20-30.

But yeah. I doubt it is reported accurately by PP.

No, it's not reported accurately by PP.

And everybody knows it.[/QUOTE]

There are a lot if things PP doesn't do. Like actually help pregnant women that don't want an abortion. Once you tell them that... They talk to you like shit and give you no information about OBGYN's or other prenatal services.

 

[Dragonlady]

A woman decides NOT to get an abortion? It is my belief that they are not pro choice after all. They are pro death.

Progressivism is all about death and population control. If they believed in life they would be opposed to abortion.

Ironic coming from those who support crazy people being allowed unfettered access to guns.

And the death penalty.

I'll bet they're also big fans of sending in the troops to protect American "interests". "Interests" can be read as "the private property of American's largest corporations.

The ONLY lives the right wingers have any interest in defending are those of the unborn. They couldn't care less about living people.