Why do pro choicers get upset when...

[rdean]

You don't want women to get an abortion?

Then eliminate her reason for getting one. Provide free birth control, Provide full neonatal coverage, make sure she doesn't lose her income, pay for childcare and supplement her income while her child is young

If you vote against those things, than stop bitching about abortion

The same people who ***** about abortion will oppose sex education, birth control and low cost childcare

It's almost as if they hate the born. But I think it's just another way they attempt to control women's bodies. They can be bullies and pretend it's a moral cause.

 

[ChrisL]

You don't want women to get an abortion?

Then eliminate her reason for getting one. Provide free birth control, Provide full neonatal coverage, make sure she doesn't lose her income, pay for childcare and supplement her income while her child is young

If you vote against those things, than stop bitching about abortion

The same people who ***** about abortion will oppose sex education, birth control and low cost childcare

It's almost as if they hate the born. But I think it's just another way they attempt to control women's bodies. They can be bullies and pretend it's a moral cause.

I think they hate everyone, that's what I think. Just miserable, miserable wretched people.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

And you're entitled to your opinion, provided you understand it's legally invalid.

As a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a 'person,' consequently it is a personal decision, immune from attack by the state.

Privacy rights jurisprudence ensures that each citizen remains at liberty to decide the issue for himself, in good faith and in accordance with his own conscience, free from unwarranted interference by government.

And i'd like to get that law changed. Laws change everday.
It'seems all to easy to fantasize about what kind of people have a heart for protecting the unborn. But there are all types who hold all kinds of differing opinions on other issues. No need to hate on them because they disagree with you on this one.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Question

Don't most women choose not to get an abortion?

Fortunately for the human race, yes. Why?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Personally, I would never have an abortion. If I was in a situation where I could not afford to take care of the child, or whatever the circumstances might be, I would have the child and put it up for adoption.

However, I don't believe in making personal decisions for other women. It's their bodies and their lives, not mine. While I wish more would consider adoption, there is nothing I can do to FORCE a person into going through a pregnancy, delivery, etc.

Funny thing about the conservatives who are anti abortion, wanting all of these women to have their babies. Do they think of the consequences? Do they realize that some of these children will end up as wards of the state, and then their precious tax money will be used to care for these unwanted babies? Also, some of these women and their babies will end up on welfare, and then their precious tax dollars will have to support them?

I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price. IMO, a person who does not want to have the child is going to be a crappy parent.

Are you actually trying to say that being a ward of the state is worse than death? And are you seriously saying that either you think that money is an overriding concern with you in whether or not a human being is killed, or that you somehow have the idea that it is, or should be, an overriding concern for conservatives? Does the phrase "moral priorities" ring any bells with you?

No one is suggesting that people who do not want to be parents should be, but if you can't hear how "they're not wanted, so kill them" sounds, then tell me now and I will stop bothering to address you as a decent human being on this subject immediately. I have no desire to discuss infanticide with a sociopath.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A woman decides NOT to get an abortion? It is my belief that they are not pro choice after all. They are pro death.

no one gets upset when someone DOESN'T have an abortion. is that what the voices in your head told you?

people who are pro choice just want idiots like you to get your nose out of other people's business.

But, if they want birth control. It's my business and I got to pay for it.

No it's not your business and no, you aren't paying for it. It's part of women's health insurance so the women are paying for it through their premiums and co-pays.

You are simply being asked to butt out.

Riiiight. Because their premiums and co-pays cover the entire expense of what they subsequently use in medical care, ALWAYS. And that's assuming we're talking about women with health insurance rather than Medicaid in the first place.

And naturally, you desperately want to focus only on the finances to avoid the REAL question at issue.

The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Very true. While there certainly are many single career women out there with health insurance, they also are quite likely to be conscientous about birth control as well. Although obviously, no birth control is perfect, and shit does often happen.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Basically, life sucks, but death sucks exponentially more, and permanently.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Aww, gee whiz. "I'm going to get STRETCH MARKS. Kill it!"

Edging closer to "sociopath" there, punkin.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Yeah, and no one "should be forced" to have cancer, either, but it's like the universe doesn't give a piss about your piddly little impotent human notions of "fair" and "should".

Which is why, as a responsible person from a family with a history of cancer, I don't do things like smoking that are known to cause cancer. And why, as a responsible person with a uterus, I did not do things like having unprotected sex that are known to cause babies. And I certainly don't whine and snivel like an overindulged 8-year-old about being "forced" when my life occasionally shits the bed anyway despite my best efforts.

The only people your arguments are making headway with are people who are as spoiled and self-absorbed as you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

I'm thinking that the negative effects abortion has on the BABY'S body trumps everything else. And yeah, I never stop just being bewildered when abortion supporters trot out the "personal decision" line as though it's relevant to a discussion about ending a human life. Is there any other time when killing someone is viewed as a "personal decision"? Or when anyone other than the Ted Bundy Fan Club thinks it SHOULD be?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

"It is not your decision to make for her whether she kills her husband for the insurance money. It has nothing to do with you."

I mean, honestly. Do you even comprehend how every single argument you're presenting is not just arguing a completely different topic in another language from your opponents, but arguing it from another planet and dimension?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

Whether you get killed tonight has nothing to do with me either. But I support laws to help keep you safe and punish anyone who does you harm.

Looking out for those who are too weak to look after themselves is everyone's business.

Judging by leftists' consistent and ongoing fan-boy reactions to terrorists, looters, and thugs, I'm going to venture a guess that they're not really much interested in living in a safe, orderly society, nor particularly curious about the means by which such things are achieved.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

Whether you get killed tonight has nothing to do with me either. But I support laws to help keep you safe and punish anyone who does you harm.

Looking out for those who are too weak to look after themselves is everyone's business.

No, because it is the woman who has to pay the price health wise, etc., it is her own personal decision. Besides, if she doesn't want to have a baby and would even contemplate abortion, then she is probably not going to be a very good or responsible parent. And again, it is not your decision. It is not your body.

The material she's flushing into a biohazard bag isn't her body, either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If a woman doesn't want to take the risk of going through a pregnancy and delivery and/or raising a child, that is her own personal decision. As long as she has the abortion done in a timely manner before it is actually a "baby."

Yeah, sorry, but the only time before it's actually a baby is when she's actually ******* whatever loser she's spreading her legs for that night, so . . .

I love trying to debate a medically-related issue with someone who couldn't pass a high school health class.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

Whether you get killed tonight has nothing to do with me either. But I support laws to help keep you safe and punish anyone who does you harm.

Looking out for those who are too weak to look after themselves is everyone's business.

No, because it is the woman who has to pay the price health wise, etc., it is her own personal decision. Besides, if she doesn't want to have a baby and would even contemplate abortion, then she is probably not going to be a very good or responsible parent. And again, it is not your decision. It is not your body.

Doesn't matter. Someone doesn't have to rape me before I have a say in rape laws.

But I would assume the baby should have a say - who is speaking out for the baby? I believe that if the health of the mother is threatened, an abortion should be allowed. In the same spirit as our self-defense laws.

The "baby" is part of the mother's body. The mother has a say in what happens to her body. Pregnancy can have some serious long-lasting complications. If a woman does not want to have a baby, then she doesn't have to. It's her choice, not yours. It's her body, not yours. It's her that will have to pay the price, not you.

No, Dr. Welby, the baby is NOT party of the mother's body. Christ, get a biology book, would you please? Every time you pop out with an ignorant assertion like this, everyone automatically subtracts 10 points from your estimated IQ, you know.

And it's her who needs to not make a freaking baby if she doesn't want one. I'm sorry, but after that point, all of your arguments are invalid to the point of ludicrousness because we're talking about a human life.

 

[LeftofLeft]

What kind of thread did I just walk in to?

Help?

It's astounding, time is fleeting
Madness takes its toll
But listen closely, not for very much longer
You've got to keep control

In another dementia dimension...
With voyeuristic intentions...
Well secluded...
I see all.

Second time that came up today!

ChrisL Look ^^ I had one left over....

I am Pro Choice.....choice of guns, choice of domestic oil, choice of lightbulbs, choice of SUVs. How come Liberals are only fine with people having choice in one area of their lives?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Some of these women might be drug abusers, abusive people, mentally unstable, any number of things.

And no one is suggesting that the baby be left with such women. Still, I think a death sentence is a bit extreme for the "crime" of being created by a useless piece of shit or a mental patient.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If a woman doesn't want to take the risk of going through a pregnancy and delivery and/or raising a child, that is her own personal decision. As long as she has the abortion done in a timely manner before it is actually a "baby."

Oh yawn. Can you spew any more repetitive nonsense, you brainwashed dolt?

Hey, it's all true. People have to stop sticking their nose into other people's business and worry about themselves. Concentrate on making yourself a better person.

You're right. Do you know how much money we spend every year prosecuting murders and assaults and rapes? We should stop sticking our nose's into other people's business and worry about ourselves.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Doesn't matter. Someone doesn't have to rape me before I have a say in rape laws.

But I would assume the baby should have a say - who is speaking out for the baby? I believe that if the health of the mother is threatened, an abortion should be allowed. In the same spirit as our self-defense laws.

The "baby" is part of the mother's body. The mother has a say in what happens to her body. Pregnancy can have some serious long-lasting complications. If a woman does not want to have a baby, then she doesn't have to. It's her choice, not yours. It's her body, not yours. It's her that will have to pay the price, not you.

Actually it's the child who is paying the price. I believe that any human being is entitled to protection under our legal system. And all Americans have a say in when these rights are extended and who they should cover.

I understand the inequities of human procreation. If there is a way to level that playing field, I would gladly listen to those suggestions. But as noted before, a person's right to do whatever he or she chooses with her body never has been an absolute right. It ends where it affects another human being.

No, you cannot make that decision for a woman. That is her own personal decision, whether she wants to go through a pregnancy or not. It's not your decision to make for another person. Like I said, some of these women getting abortions are drug addicts, prostitutes, alcoholics, mentally unstable, etc.

So if someone is raping you - then only you and the rapist have any say in that matter, huh? Because it doesn't affect anyone else?

That's a tired old argument that has been debunked a long time ago.

Protecting those who are too weak to protect themselves is one of the main reasons to write laws. I believe our laws should protect all humans who fall under our jurisdiction.

WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. Sorry, but whether or not a woman goes through a pregnancy is her decision. That's all there is to it. Mind YOUR business and don't get an abortion if you don't want to.

"That's not what I want to believe and not how I want to see it, so it just doesn't make sense! I can't possibly even try to comprehend any worldview but my own, because NO ONE ELSE IS VALID!"

Thank you. You're a sociopath, an ideologue, and a ******* moron. You no longer exist. Dismissed.

 

[Skylar]

A woman decides NOT to get an abortion? It is my belief that they are not pro choice after all. They are pro death.

Why do some posters feel the need to base an entire thread on a strawman?