Why do pro choicers get upset when...

[ChrisL]

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

Whether you get killed tonight has nothing to do with me either. But I support laws to help keep you safe and punish anyone who does you harm.

Looking out for those who are too weak to look after themselves is everyone's business.

No, because it is the woman who has to pay the price health wise, etc., it is her own personal decision. Besides, if she doesn't want to have a baby and would even contemplate abortion, then she is probably not going to be a very good or responsible parent. And again, it is not your decision. It is not your body.

The material she's flushing into a biohazard bag isn't her body, either.

It's not your business. Mind your own business. The world would be a better place without busy bodies like you.

 

[ChrisL]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

But it is not your decision to make for another person. It has nothing to do with you.

"It is not your decision to make for her whether she kills her husband for the insurance money. It has nothing to do with you."

I mean, honestly. Do you even comprehend how every single argument you're presenting is not just arguing a completely different topic in another language from your opponents, but arguing it from another planet and dimension?

Her husband isn't attached to her insides, is he? Good Lord, you really ARE a mental case.

 

[ChrisL]

I have like 30 quotes from this mental case, Cecile.

 

[Gracie]

How come the Left is only Pro Choice when it comes to Abortion? Why isn't the Left Pro Choice when it comes to
Guns?
Oil?
Obamacare?

You understand that being pro-choice is about women having the right to choose what happens INSIDE THEIR OWN BODIES.

Oh, wait. You didn't.

that's so sad.

And an anti-choicer, like all in this thread, is an angry conservative male who reserves for himself the right to tell you and me what to do with our uteruses.

But give them a chart and they still don't quite comprehend where a uterus is.

Regards from Rosie.

**** you, baby killer, it's ALL ABOUT THE SCUMBAG that got herself knocked up, instead of taking personal responsibility....You want an abortion, with it you get a FREE sterilization.... wonder what that would do?

Maybe a scumbag raped that woman and the LAST thing she wants is to raise his kid. But maybe that didn't cross your mind.

 

[ChrisL]

Personally, I would never have an abortion. If I was in a situation where I could not afford to take care of the child, or whatever the circumstances might be, I would have the child and put it up for adoption.

However, I don't believe in making personal decisions for other women. It's their bodies and their lives, not mine. While I wish more would consider adoption, there is nothing I can do to FORCE a person into going through a pregnancy, delivery, etc.

Funny thing about the conservatives who are anti abortion, wanting all of these women to have their babies. Do they think of the consequences? Do they realize that some of these children will end up as wards of the state, and then their precious tax money will be used to care for these unwanted babies? Also, some of these women and their babies will end up on welfare, and then their precious tax dollars will have to support them?

I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price. IMO, a person who does not want to have the child is going to be a crappy parent.

Are you actually trying to say that being a ward of the state is worse than death? And are you seriously saying that either you think that money is an overriding concern with you in whether or not a human being is killed, or that you somehow have the idea that it is, or should be, an overriding concern for conservatives? Does the phrase "moral priorities" ring any bells with you?

No one is suggesting that people who do not want to be parents should be, but if you can't hear how "they're not wanted, so kill them" sounds, then tell me now and I will stop bothering to address you as a decent human being on this subject immediately. I have no desire to discuss infanticide with a sociopath.

No, just pointing out what hypocritical asses some right wingers are. Nope, you cannot force a woman to be pregnant and deliver a child she does not want. Doesn't matter what your opinion is. These women do not care about you or your opinions. They are going to do what they feel they have to do. It doesn't matter if you "approve" or not.

I don't care if you don't address me. I don't know who you are, and you are not important to me.

It isn't "infanticide," you moron. You are truly a nut job.

 

[Gracie]

I wonder how many unwanted babies carried to full term and then put up for adoption due to the forcing of having the child, he adopted and/or is financially supporting.

 

[ChrisL]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Not really because pregnancy can have some very negative effects on a person's body. It's a personal decision and not for anyone else to make. No one should be forced to be a parent.

Abortion can have some pretty negative effects on a baby's body too. Killing another person should not be a "personal decision" imho.

I'm thinking that the negative effects abortion has on the BABY'S body trumps everything else. And yeah, I never stop just being bewildered when abortion supporters trot out the "personal decision" line as though it's relevant to a discussion about ending a human life. Is there any other time when killing someone is viewed as a "personal decision"? Or when anyone other than the Ted Bundy Fan Club thinks it SHOULD be?

Hey, *****, maybe you should go make yourself a sign and stand outside an abortion center then. Yelling at me and acting like a tard isn't going to change a goddamn thing. Nut case.

 

[BlueGin]

no one gets upset when someone DOESN'T have an abortion. is that what the voices in your head told you?

people who are pro choice just want idiots like you to get your nose out of other people's business.

But, if they want birth control. It's my business and I got to pay for it.

No it's not your business and no, you aren't paying for it. It's part of women's health insurance so the women are paying for it through their premiums and co-pays.

You are simply being asked to butt out.

Riiiight. Because their premiums and co-pays cover the entire expense of what they subsequently use in medical care, ALWAYS. And that's assuming we're talking about women with health insurance rather than Medicaid in the first place.

And naturally, you desperately want to focus only on the finances to avoid the REAL question at issue.

The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Very true. While there certainly are many single career women out there with health insurance, they also are quite likely to be conscientous about birth control as well. Although obviously, no birth control is perfect, and shit does often happen.

Most career women are driven and usually have goals and timelines that include a plan for family. While accidents happen obviously... this type of woman is probably less likely to take risks.

But working in healthcare I can tell you... The majority of the babies that are born are to single mothers on Medicaid... sad but true.

 

[Pogo]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Basically, life sucks, but death sucks exponentially more, and permanently.

How do you know?

 

[Gracie]

This topic never ceases to amaze me. And not in a good way, either.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The biggest proponents of abortion aren't women. Abortion is the best thing that ever happened to young (mostly liberal) callus young men. Women who undergo the physical and mental trauma of abortion are usually victims of male dominated liberalism.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

60% of women having abortions are already mothers of children.

70% of women having abortions embrace religious beliefs.

 

[Derideo_Te]

But, if they want birth control. It's my business and I got to pay for it.

No it's not your business and no, you aren't paying for it. It's part of women's health insurance so the women are paying for it through their premiums and co-pays.

You are simply being asked to butt out.

Riiiight. Because their premiums and co-pays cover the entire expense of what they subsequently use in medical care, ALWAYS. And that's assuming we're talking about women with health insurance rather than Medicaid in the first place.

And naturally, you desperately want to focus only on the finances to avoid the REAL question at issue.

The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Very true. While there certainly are many single career women out there with health insurance, they also are quite likely to be conscientous about birth control as well. Although obviously, no birth control is perfect, and shit does often happen.

Most career women are driven and usually have goals and timelines that include a plan for family. While accidents happen obviously... this type of woman is probably less likely to take risks.

But working in healthcare I can tell you... The majority of the babies that are born are to single mothers on Medicaid... sad but true.

That was true before Obamacare made contraception readily available. Studies are already showing that there is a drop in births amongst low income women who would be the ones primarily on Medicaid.

Of course another solution is to eliminate the wage disparity in which case these women would be able to afford healthcare and not have to rely on Medicare. But that is a problem for the next Administration to tackle.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How come the Left is only Pro Choice when it comes to Abortion? Why isn't the Left Pro Choice when it comes to
Guns?
Oil?
Obamacare?

You understand that being pro-choice is about women having the right to choose what happens INSIDE THEIR OWN BODIES.

Oh, wait. You didn't.

that's so sad.

And an anti-choicer, like all in this thread, is an angry conservative male who reserves for himself the right to tell you and me what to do with our uteruses.

But give them a chart and they still don't quite comprehend where a uterus is.

Regards from Rosie.

**** you, baby killer, it's ALL ABOUT THE SCUMBAG that got herself knocked up, instead of taking personal responsibility....You want an abortion, with it you get a FREE sterilization.... wonder what that would do?

Maybe a scumbag raped that woman and the LAST thing she wants is to raise his kid. But maybe that didn't cross your mind.

Does the word "adoption" ring any bells in that empty skull of yours?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I wonder how many unwanted babies carried to full term and then put up for adoption due to the forcing of having the child, he adopted and/or is financially supporting.

Straw man. Totally irrelevant.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Basically, life sucks, but death sucks exponentially more, and permanently.

How do you know?

How do I know that getting dismembered or dissolved is worse than living, or how do I know that death is permanent?

 

[ChrisL]

How come the Left is only Pro Choice when it comes to Abortion? Why isn't the Left Pro Choice when it comes to
Guns?
Oil?
Obamacare?

You understand that being pro-choice is about women having the right to choose what happens INSIDE THEIR OWN BODIES.

Oh, wait. You didn't.

that's so sad.

And an anti-choicer, like all in this thread, is an angry conservative male who reserves for himself the right to tell you and me what to do with our uteruses.

But give them a chart and they still don't quite comprehend where a uterus is.

Regards from Rosie.

**** you, baby killer, it's ALL ABOUT THE SCUMBAG that got herself knocked up, instead of taking personal responsibility....You want an abortion, with it you get a FREE sterilization.... wonder what that would do?

Maybe a scumbag raped that woman and the LAST thing she wants is to raise his kid. But maybe that didn't cross your mind.

Does the word "adoption" ring any bells in that empty skull of yours?

And, if you feel it's "murder" then what exactly are YOU doing about it besides bitching at people on a forum?

 

[Gracie]

I wonder how many unwanted babies carried to full term and then put up for adoption due to the forcing of having the child, he adopted and/or is financially supporting.

Straw man. Totally irrelevant.

And you pretending to know what it feels like to be dead, isn't?

 

[Gracie]

How come the Left is only Pro Choice when it comes to Abortion? Why isn't the Left Pro Choice when it comes to
Guns?
Oil?
Obamacare?

You understand that being pro-choice is about women having the right to choose what happens INSIDE THEIR OWN BODIES.

Oh, wait. You didn't.

that's so sad.

And an anti-choicer, like all in this thread, is an angry conservative male who reserves for himself the right to tell you and me what to do with our uteruses.

But give them a chart and they still don't quite comprehend where a uterus is.

Regards from Rosie.

**** you, baby killer, it's ALL ABOUT THE SCUMBAG that got herself knocked up, instead of taking personal responsibility....You want an abortion, with it you get a FREE sterilization.... wonder what that would do?

Maybe a scumbag raped that woman and the LAST thing she wants is to raise his kid. But maybe that didn't cross your mind.

Does the word "adoption" ring any bells in that empty skull of yours?

Does "you have no right to my uterus" ring any bells in that empty skull of yours?

 

[Pogo]

Chris L.:
"I think some (not all) conservatives want to punish women for having sex, but what they do not realize is that it is usually the innocent child that will pay the price."

So not killing the child forces the child to "pay a price."

I understand your arguments and I sympathize with the inequities that are inherent in human reproduction. If there is any way to level that playing field - I'm all ears.

But a person's right to do as they wish with their body - ends when their actions harm another human being.

Basically, life sucks, but death sucks exponentially more, and permanently.

How do you know?

How do I know that getting dismembered or dissolved is worse than living, or how do I know that death is permanent?

How do you know death "sucks more"? How many times have you been there?


Completely off the topic and the question but just wanted to say-- Gracie: Beauteous sigline image.

 

[BlueGin]

No it's not your business and no, you aren't paying for it. It's part of women's health insurance so the women are paying for it through their premiums and co-pays.

You are simply being asked to butt out.

Riiiight. Because their premiums and co-pays cover the entire expense of what they subsequently use in medical care, ALWAYS. And that's assuming we're talking about women with health insurance rather than Medicaid in the first place.

And naturally, you desperately want to focus only on the finances to avoid the REAL question at issue.

The odds of a single (pregnant)woman not being on Medicaid is slim to none.

Very true. While there certainly are many single career women out there with health insurance, they also are quite likely to be conscientous about birth control as well. Although obviously, no birth control is perfect, and shit does often happen.

Most career women are driven and usually have goals and timelines that include a plan for family. While accidents happen obviously... this type of woman is probably less likely to take risks.

But working in healthcare I can tell you... The majority of the babies that are born are to single mothers on Medicaid... sad but true.

That was true before Obamacare made contraception readily available. Studies are already showing that there is a drop in births amongst low income women who would be the ones primarily on Medicaid.

Of course another solution is to eliminate the wage disparity in which case these women would be able to afford healthcare and not have to rely on Medicare. But that is a problem for the next Administration to tackle.

I take it you are referring to the simulated bc study performed in one state by planned parenthood and not actual Obamacare related figures?