Whites Must Do Their Part to End Racism

[Oldestyle]

Were they brought here in chains? Were their women systematically rapes to produce more valuable slaves to sell?

Fuck off.

That's literally ten generations ago, Joey! How long should it take before blacks can overcome what was done to them under slavery? You seem to think they never will.

 

[woodwork201]

If you are going to resort to partisan cheap shots, there's no point in taking you seriously.

It's not a partisan cheap shot. If you're going to ignore the racism of the Democratic Party, of Lyndon Johnson, of Joe Biden, of virtually every Democrat in between, then there's no point in taking you seriously.

 

[woodwork201]

That's literally ten generations ago, Joey! How long should it take before blacks can overcome what was done to them under slavery? You seem to think they never will.

Racists on the left think blacks can never make it on their own.

 

[JoeB131]

That's literally ten generations ago, Joey! How long should it take before blacks can overcome what was done to them under slavery? You seem to think they never will.

Actually, the last slave was freed in 1942. You should educate yourself on "Debt Slavery" and how it was used in the South. It wasn't outlawed until 1942 because FDR decided it was a bad look if we were going to bitch about what the Axis was doing.

Here's an educational video.

 

[JoeB131]

It's not a partisan cheap shot. If you're going to ignore the racism of the Democratic Party, of Lyndon Johnson, of Joe Biden, of virtually every Democrat in between, then there's no point in taking you seriously.

LBJ and Biden have supported Civil Rights....

Republicans oppose them. At every turn.

 

[Oldestyle]

Actually, the last slave was freed in 1942. You should educate yourself on "Debt Slavery" and how it was used in the South. It wasn't outlawed until 1942 because FDR decided it was a bad look if we were going to bitch about what the Axis was doing.

Here's an educational video.

That ended five generations ago...so how long, Joe? How long are blacks going to use slavery as the excuse for what's happening in communities that THEY now control?

 

[JoeB131]

That ended five generations ago...so how long, Joe? How long are blacks going to use slavery as the excuse for what's happening in communities that THEY now control?

Judging by IM2 and Paul Essen's posts, probably forever.

And with attitudes like yours, they'd probably be justified.

 

[Oldestyle]

Judging by IM2 and Paul Essen's posts, probably forever.

And with attitudes like yours, they'd probably be justified.

Blacks like IM2 and Paul are their own worst enemies. History tells us that those who HAVE seldom give up their advantages to those who don't have! Whining about how unfair it is...is a waste of time that should be spent working to achieve prosperity.
My attitude? What? That expecting things to be handed to you is childish? I plead guilty.

 

[JoeB131]

Blacks like IM2 and Paul are their own worst enemies. History tells us that those who HAVE seldom give up their advantages to those who don't have! Whining about how unfair it is...is a waste of time that should be spent working to achieve prosperity.
My attitude? What? That expecting things to be handed to you is childish? I plead guilty.

Sounds like the attitude of someone who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

 

[Oldestyle]

Sounds like the attitude of someone who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

I grew up on a dairy farm...getting up at four AM to milk cows 365 days a year, Joey! Paid my own way through college. Born on third base? Hardly. Care to try again?

 

[JoeB131]

I grew up on a dairy farm...getting up at four AM to milk cows 365 days a year, Joey! Paid my own way through college. Born on third base? Hardly. Care to try again?

You mean where a machine milks the cows? You poor baby.

Let's get real, guy. The only reason our "family farms" exist is because the government subsidizes them. That's why the government has all the government cheese. They buy milk to keep the price up.

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

 

[Oldestyle]

You mean where a machine milks the cows? You poor baby.

Let's get real, guy. The only reason our "family farms" exist is because the government subsidizes them. That's why the government has all the government cheese. They buy milk to keep the price up.

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

What you thought we milked them by hand? God you're an idiot! Tough to walk back that whole "born on third base" bullshit you on the left love to trot out when someone points out that not everyone who's white is "privileged"! I worked hard for everything I've gotten in life. I've never asked anyone for a handout and I never will. I'll leave that pathetic shit to people like IM2 and Paul Essian.

 

[JoeB131]

What you thought we milked them by hand? God you're an idiot! Tough to walk back that whole "born on third base" bullshit you on the left love to trot out when someone points out that not everyone who's white is "privileged"! I worked hard for everything I've gotten in life. I've never asked anyone for a handout and I never will. I'll leave that pathetic shit to people like IM2 and Paul Essian.

Except as I pointed out, if you grew up on a Dairy Farm, you've gotten shitloads of handouts...

Born on a government subsidized third base, thought you hit a triple.

 

[Oldestyle]

Except as I pointed out, if you grew up on a Dairy Farm, you've gotten shitloads of handouts...

Born on a government subsidized third base, thought you hit a triple.

You're absolutely clueless about small family farms, Joey! You've somehow come to the conclusion that we were raking in hundreds of thousands in subsidies from Uncle Sam...one more thing that you're utterly delusional about! I had to work to put myself through college because my family didn't make enough money to pay my tuition. Save the bullshit for something you know a little about! You know NOTHING about farming!

 

[JoeB131]

You're absolutely clueless about small family farms, Joey! You've somehow come to the conclusion that we were raking in hundreds of thousands in subsidies from Uncle Sam...one more thing that you're utterly delusional about! I had to work to put myself through college because my family didn't make enough money to pay my tuition. Save the bullshit for something you know a little about! You know NOTHING about farming!

My mom's family is actually farmers from Missouri. We got stuck visiting them every Easter and Thanksgiving.

Um, yeah, we have a socialist farming system, buddy, The USDA spends 230 BILLION dollars, they have 1 bureaucrat for every seven active farmers.

When Trump's unnecessary trade war with China caused a dip in agricultural sales, the government had to swoop right in and save them.

 

[hadit]

Seems that for some reason, I can't post in a thread I started.

The question is asked why am I asking whites to help solve the race problem.

"Why do you keep turning to white people for solutions to America's racial problems?"

Right Wing Whites Do Not Have Any Solutions to Offer Blacks

How did you avoid these problems and overcome them? Seems as though you took advantage of opportunity? No? He mostly just whined.

www.usmessageboard.com

Whites created the problem and continue perpetuating it. So why do some whites think we are responsible for cleaning up a mess they made?

Reparations have been paid to other groups who have been harmed by government policy so the right wing opposition to reparations is simply based on a distorted racist belief. Whites are responsible for ending racism in the white community. Once that ends or is reduced to irrelevance the barriers and obstacles created by whites who have racist beliefs will be eliminated and groups of color will be able to reach their potential. You don't start a fire in your house the tell your neighbors how they need to put the fire out.

I do believe you ignored some of the other things you were given in that other thread. Of course, white America has to solve racial animus within itself. That doesn't address, however, some of the other things that were stated. For example, I agree with you that police officers treat black suspects differently, I've seen it happen personally, but it's not just white officers who do it. People with black sounding names are redlined when they go after home loans, but there's no evidence that it's just white loan officers who are doing it.

Here's a dirty little fact, racial profiling saves lives. Taken too fair, it results in discrimination, but is not only natural but necessary. When investigators want to develop a picture of a serial killer, they usually say it's a white male around 30 years old. Not because they are biased against 30-year-old white males, but because the majority of serial killers are white males around 30 years of age. I don't expect them to develop a picture of an elderly black man just to make me feel better. If the TSA wanted to actually be effective in stopping a repeat of 9/11, they would pay extra attention to young males carrying Korans and speaking Arabic. Again, not because they are biased against Muslims, but because 9/11 was carried out by just such people. Be honest, does it do anyone ANY good to randomly pick out an elderly white woman in a wheelchair for a search because we want to be "fair"?

Yes, there is lingering racism in White America. Only an idiot (you know who you are) would say otherwise. The law makes discrimination illegal, but we all know it's not going to do anything to attitudes.
Yes, there is white privilege, by which anyone with eyeballs can see that products aimed at the black American market are not advertised nearly to the extent that products aimed at white Americans are. Where's black Barbie, for example? Ever see shaving products geared toward the black male advertised? No, I get it, America has had a majority white culture for most of its existence so it's natural that the culture is built around them. Hate to tell you this, but in about 50-100 years, the American culture will probably lean more white and Hispanic than black, and you'll still be marginalized.

Now, let's talk reparations. There is a case to be made for reparations, but there are a lot of difficulties associated with such. We've talked about it before, and I've heard no good answers for my questions. You say descendant of slaves should get reparations money because of slavery. Okay, here's the problem.

Black immigrants arrive here after slavery is abolished. None of them have ever been slaves here. Should they get reparations? I say no.
A freed slave who is himself mixed race because his white master bred one of his African slaves has children with a white woman. Those descendants have children with other white people until today they are as fair skinned and straight haired as any European, yet are descendants of slaves. Should they get reparations? I say yes. This, of course, means that there would be black people not getting money and white people getting it.

But, but, you say, black Americans have suffered discrimination since slavery ended. Yes, they have, but if you want to make discrimination the standard instead of slavery, you're going to have to open that net quite a bit wider. Chinese and Irish immigrants, for one example, suffered a great deal of discrimination as well in our nation's history.

We're going to have to do a lot better than just keep yelling "reparations". There needs to be an effort to make things right, but it needs to be fleshed out more than just the bumper sticker level.

 

[JoeB131]

I do believe you ignored some of the other things you were given in that other thread. Of course, white America has to solve racial animus within itself. That doesn't address, however, some of the other things that were stated. For example, I agree with you that police officers treat black suspects differently, I've seen it happen personally, but it's not just white officers who do it. People with black sounding names are redlined when they go after home loans, but there's no evidence that it's just white loan officers who are doing it.

Here's a dirty little fact, racial profiling saves lives. Taken too fair, it results in discrimination, but is not only natural but necessary. When investigators want to develop a picture of a serial killer, they usually say it's a white male around 30 years old. Not because they are biased against 30-year-old white males, but because the majority of serial killers are white males around 30 years of age. I don't expect them to develop a picture of an elderly black man just to make me feel better. If the TSA wanted to actually be effective in stopping a repeat of 9/11, they would pay extra attention to young males carrying Korans and speaking Arabic. Again, not because they are biased against Muslims, but because 9/11 was carried out by just such people. Be honest, does it do anyone ANY good to randomly pick out an elderly white woman in a wheelchair for a search because we want to be "fair"?

Yes, there is lingering racism in White America. Only an idiot (you know who you are) would say otherwise. The law makes discrimination illegal, but we all know it's not going to do anything to attitudes.
Yes, there is white privilege, by which anyone with eyeballs can see that products aimed at the black American market are not advertised nearly to the extent that products aimed at white Americans are. Where's black Barbie, for example? Ever see shaving products geared toward the black male advertised? No, I get it, America has had a majority white culture for most of its existence so it's natural that the culture is built around them. Hate to tell you this, but in about 50-100 years, the American culture will probably lean more white and Hispanic than black, and you'll still be marginalized.

Now, let's talk reparations. There is a case to be made for reparations, but there are a lot of difficulties associated with such. We've talked about it before, and I've heard no good answers for my questions. You say descendant of slaves should get reparations money because of slavery. Okay, here's the problem.

Black immigrants arrive here after slavery is abolished. None of them have ever been slaves here. Should they get reparations? I say no.
A freed slave who is himself mixed race because his white master bred one of his African slaves has children with a white woman. Those descendants have children with other white people until today they are as fair skinned and straight haired as any European, yet are descendants of slaves. Should they get reparations? I say yes. This, of course, means that there would be black people not getting money and white people getting it.

But, but, you say, black Americans have suffered discrimination since slavery ended. Yes, they have, but if you want to make discrimination the standard instead of slavery, you're going to have to open that net quite a bit wider. Chinese and Irish immigrants, for one example, suffered a great deal of discrimination as well in our nation's history.

We're going to have to do a lot better than just keep yelling "reparations". There needs to be an effort to make things right, but it needs to be fleshed out more than just the bumper sticker level.

Wow... that was actually pretty reasonable and clear headed...

What have you done with the real Hadit, you fiend?

 

[Oldestyle]

My mom's family is actually farmers from Missouri. We got stuck visiting them every Easter and Thanksgiving.

Um, yeah, we have a socialist farming system, buddy, The USDA spends 230 BILLION dollars, they have 1 bureaucrat for every seven active farmers.

When Trump's unnecessary trade war with China caused a dip in agricultural sales, the government had to swoop right in and save them.

Do you not grasp the HUGE difference between the giant corporate farms and the small family farms, Joey? You continue to be clueless...

 

[IM2]

The Gosar family is a prime example of whites taking the lead to disavow or disown a family member for holding racist views. If the Gosar family can each make a commercial to state their disapproval of a sibling who they opened Christmas presents with as children, shared the ups and downs of puberty, as well as most of the best and worst of adulthood, then other whites with family members and friends who are racists can step up to the plate and begin providing the necessary shame and disapproval this behavior deserves. If we are to reduce racism to irrelevance, there can be no more excuses made.

I know such racism can end because I have known many non-racist whites in my personal life. The businessman in my hometown who started a wrestling club that provided some of us who were no good at basketball with another sport to compete in that was good for the body and mind. Various ladies I have shared parts of my life with, teammates I have had in sports, people who became friends as a result of employment, classmates, and many others.

So stop repeating silly right wing race bait, quit making excuses and end the whataboutisms. Whites must do their part to end racism here in America.

 

[JoeB131]

The Gosar family is a prime example of whites taking the lead to disavow or disown a family member for holding racist views. If the Gosar family can each make a commercial to state their disapproval of a sibling who they opened Christmas presents with as children, shared the ups and downs of puberty, as well as most of the best and worst of adulthood, then other whites with family members and friends who are racists can step up to the plate and begin providing the necessary shame and disapproval this behavior deserves. If we are to reduce racism to irrelevance, there can be no more excuses made.

Yes, that's right.. turn on our family members.

I actually spent time talking to the brother whose friend was the cop who shot that kid 16 times... Um, yeah, most of the family thinks I'm the 'bad guy' for criticizing him. And it's not like I get any cred for taking a stand unless I completely fucking self-flagelate to the Burn Loot Murder crowd.

I know such racism can end because I have known many non-racist whites in my personal life. The businessman in my hometown who started a wrestling club that provided some of us who were no good at basketball with another sport to compete in that was good for the body and mind. Various ladies I have shared parts of my life with, teammates I have had in sports, people who became friends as a result of employment, classmates, and many others.

Um... that's nice. How does that solve all the self-inflicted problems in your communities?

So stop repeating silly right wing race bait, quit making excuses and end the whataboutisms. Whites must do their part to end racism here in America.

Or you can just fix your own problems and not worry about what racists think... that works, too.