Zone1 About The Claim Made About the Great Society and Blacks

[IM2]

I have heard over and over the tired refrain from white members in ths forum about what the Great Society Program did to blacks. That claim is untrue.

The Aid To Dependent Children Program was created in 1935. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare long before Johnson. This program provided assistance for single mother with children with no father at home. Again this program began in In 1935. Blacks were excluded from this program. So from 1935, whites recived welfare and the welfsre was provided for white w9omen wirh no man in the house. And I have not read one article, watched on video or anything that talks about how this program provided incentives for whites to have children out of wedlock or how it destroyed the white family. Welfare had NEVER provided for a family with a man in the house, the Great Society had nothing to do with it.

Linda Gordon and Felice Batlan, The Legal History of the Aid to Dependent Children Program,Aid To Dependent Children: The Legal History

On July 28, 1967, President Lyndon Johnson established the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. The more common name for this is The Kerner Commission.

The Kerner Commission recommended solutions based on the following three principles: 1. “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.” 2. “To aim these programs for high impact in the immediate future in order to close the gap between promise and performance.” 3. “To undertake new initiatives and experiments that can change the system of failure and frustration that now dominates the ghetto and weakens our society.”

The Kerner Commission report was perhaps the most definitive government study done on race in the history of this nation. There has been little progress because at no level of government or society has America met even the first principle of the Kerner Commission. That is, “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.”

Patrick Monyihan issued a report and various white people cling to that report even though it was debunked pretty much immediately after it was written. Most whites want to avoid the huge elephant sitting on their lap as the cause for any problem with race relations or issues pertaining to blacks and that is white racism. Other nn white groups have the same issues. That's another thing whites need to stop denying. The Great Society has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Delldude]

Yet the Great Society couldn't pass civil rights legislation without the overwhelming support of those dastardly white supremacist republicans.

 

[Auld Phart]

I have heard over and over the tired refrain from white members in ths forum about what the Great Society Program did to blacks. That claim is untrue.

The Aid To Dependent Children Program was created in 1935. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare long before Johnson. This program provided assistance for single mother with children with no father at home. Again this program began in In 1935. Blacks were excluded from this program. So from 1935, whites recived welfare and the welfsre was provided for white w9omen wirh no man in the house. And I have not read one article, watched on video or anything that talks about how this program provided incentives for whites to have children out of wedlock or how it destroyed the white family. Welfare had NEVER provided for a family with a man in the house, the Great Society had nothing to do with it.

Linda Gordon and Felice Batlan, The Legal History of the Aid to Dependent Children Program,Aid To Dependent Children: The Legal History

On July 28, 1967, President Lyndon Johnson established the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. The more common name for this is The Kerner Commission.

The Kerner Commission recommended solutions based on the following three principles: 1. “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.” 2. “To aim these programs for high impact in the immediate future in order to close the gap between promise and performance.” 3. “To undertake new initiatives and experiments that can change the system of failure and frustration that now dominates the ghetto and weakens our society.”

The Kerner Commission report was perhaps the most definitive government study done on race in the history of this nation. There has been little progress because at no level of government or society has America met even the first principle of the Kerner Commission. That is, “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.”

Patrick Monyihan issued a report and various white people cling to that report even though it was debunked pretty much immediately after it was written. Most whites want to avoid the huge elephant sitting on their lap as the cause for any problem with race relations or issues pertaining to blacks and that is white racism. Other nn white groups have the same issues. That's another thing whites need to stop denying. The Great Society has nothing to do with anything.

The Aid To Dependent Children Program was created in 1935. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children.

right in the middle of the Great Depression.

Just like the WPA and the CCC.

either get better jokes or go back to the Comedy CLub.

 

[IM2]

Yet the Great Society couldn't pass civil rights legislation without the overwhelming support of those dastardly white supremacist republicans.

Actually more democrats voted for those bills.

As it pertains to the Civil Rights Act, 153 democrats and 139 republicans voted in favor of the legislation in the house. In the senate, forty-six democrats and twenty-seven republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act. In the house, 221 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, and 112 republicans did. In the senate, forty-seven democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, and thirty republicans did.

It's time Republicans stopped lying about the current Republican party or it's history.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually more democrats voted for those bills.

As it pertains to the Civil Rights Act, 153 democrats and 139 republicans voted in favor of the legislation in the house. In the senate, forty-six democrats and twenty-seven republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act. In the house, 221 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, and 112 republicans did. In the senate, forty-seven democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, and thirty republicans did.

It's time Republicans stopped lying about the current Republican party or it's history.

Actually, Ike first proposed a Civil Right Bill in 1957, it was smothered in the Senate. The Senate Majority Leader called it “the ****** Bill”.

Later, when the Senate Majority Leader became President, he passed a near identical Bill to Ike’s, while promising to “have them ******* voting democrat for the next 200 years”

The Senate Majority Leader who set back Civil Rights by 7 years? LBJ

 

[Delldude]

Actually more democrats voted for those bills.

You think so??

The House passed the bill after 70 days of public hearings and testimony in a 290-130 vote. The bill received 152 “yea” votes from Democrats, or 60 percent of their party, and 138 votes from Republicans, or 78 percent of their party.
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In the Senate, the bill faced strong and organized opposition from Southern Democrats. Influential senators like Richard Russell, Strom Thurmond (who would soon switch to the Republican Party), Robert Byrd, William Fulbright, and Sam Ervin joined together to launch a filibuster that lasted for 57 days.

Russell, a Democrat from Georgia, at one point argued that the bill would lead to the destruction of the South’s “two different social orders” and result in the “amalgamation and mongrelization of our people.”

After some changes were made to the bill and the filibuster ended, it passed the Senate with a 73-27 vote. About 82 percent of Republicans in the Senate voted for the bill, as did 69 percent of Democrats. The amended Senate bill was then sent back to the House where it passed with 76 percent support from Republicans and 60 percent support from Democrats.
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Prior to this, Congress had passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first major civil rights legislation to be enacted in decades, which sought to protect the voting rights of black Americans. The bill passed the House in a 286-126 vote. Only 51 percent of Democrats voted in favor of the bill, or 119 of their 235 members, compared to 84 percent of Republicans, or 167 of their 199 members.
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Congress later passed the Civil Rights Act of 1968, also known as the Fair Housing Act. It initially passed the House in a 327-93 vote, with 68 percent support from Democrats and 87 percent support from Republicans. It then went to the Senate, where it was amended and voted upon, passing in a 71-20 vote in which 42 Democrats (66 percent) and 29 Republicans (81 percent) voted in favor.

The bill was then sent back to the House where it passed in a 250-172 vote. In this final vote, 61 percent of House Democrats voted in favor of the bill, compared to 53 percent of Republicans, marking the only time in all four of the Civil Rights Acts that Democrats voted in favor at a higher percentage than Republicans.

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Throughout the 1950s and ’60s, Republicans were generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights legislation.

www.dailysignal.com

It's time Republicans stopped lying about the current Republican party or it's history.

LOL.......................

 

[IM2]

You think so??

The House passed the bill after 70 days of public hearings and testimony in a 290-130 vote. The bill received 152 “yea” votes from Democrats, or 60 percent of their party, and 138 votes from Republicans, or 78 percent of their party.
_________________________
In the Senate, the bill faced strong and organized opposition from Southern Democrats. Influential senators like Richard Russell, Strom Thurmond (who would soon switch to the Republican Party), Robert Byrd, William Fulbright, and Sam Ervin joined together to launch a filibuster that lasted for 57 days.

Russell, a Democrat from Georgia, at one point argued that the bill would lead to the destruction of the South’s “two different social orders” and result in the “amalgamation and mongrelization of our people.”

After some changes were made to the bill and the filibuster ended, it passed the Senate with a 73-27 vote. About 82 percent of Republicans in the Senate voted for the bill, as did 69 percent of Democrats. The amended Senate bill was then sent back to the House where it passed with 76 percent support from Republicans and 60 percent support from Democrats.
________________________
Prior to this, Congress had passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first major civil rights legislation to be enacted in decades, which sought to protect the voting rights of black Americans. The bill passed the House in a 286-126 vote. Only 51 percent of Democrats voted in favor of the bill, or 119 of their 235 members, compared to 84 percent of Republicans, or 167 of their 199 members.
_______________________
Congress later passed the Civil Rights Act of 1968, also known as the Fair Housing Act. It initially passed the House in a 327-93 vote, with 68 percent support from Democrats and 87 percent support from Republicans. It then went to the Senate, where it was amended and voted upon, passing in a 71-20 vote in which 42 Democrats (66 percent) and 29 Republicans (81 percent) voted in favor.

The bill was then sent back to the House where it passed in a 250-172 vote. In this final vote, 61 percent of House Democrats voted in favor of the bill, compared to 53 percent of Republicans, marking the only time in all four of the Civil Rights Acts that Democrats voted in favor at a higher percentage than Republicans.

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Throughout the 1950s and ’60s, Republicans were generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights legislation.

www.dailysignal.com

LOL.......................

The daily signal is wrong.

I got my numbers from this:

HR. 7152, Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Jun 19, 1964 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s40920.

H.R. 7152. Civil Rights Act of 1964. Adoption of a resolution (h. Res. 789) providing for house approval of the bill as amended by theSenate, Jul 2, 1964 H.R. 7152. CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964. ADOPTION OF A … -- House Vote #182 -- Jul 2, 1964.

TO PASS S. 1564, The Voting Rights Act Of 1965, May 26, 1965, TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. -- Senate Vote #78 -- May 26, 1965

TO PASS H.R. 6400, The 1965 Voting Rights Act, Jul 9, 1965, TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT. -- House Vote #87 -- Jul 9, 1965 .

These are the actual Senate and House records, not some trash from the Daily Sickness. You republicans just need to stop lyiing about yourself by using the past Republican party.

Because:

On December 6, 2019, The House of Representatives passed H.R. 4,the Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2019, by a vote of 228-186. This bill was proposed to undo the damage caused by the Roberts SupremeCourt 2013 decision. There were 187 Republicans in the House of Representatives in 2019. One Republican voted for this bill, Brian Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania.

116TH CONGRESS, 1ST SESSION, Roll Call 654, Bill Number: H. R. 4, Voting Rights Advancement Act, DEC 06, 2019,
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/201965425.

In 2021, The John Lewis Voting Rights Actwas opposed by every Republican in the senate. Senate Republicans wouldn’t even let the bill come to the floor for debate. They filibustered the John Lewis Voting Rights Act like Dixiecrats did the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

Josh Israel, Every Senate Republican just voted against voting rights — again, American Independent, January 20, 2022,

https://americanindependent.com/senate-republicans-votingrights-filibuster-mitch-mcconnell-john-lewis-voting-rights-advancement-act-freedom-to-vote-act/

 

[MarathonMike]

The daily signal is wrong.

I got my numbers from this:

HR. 7152, Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Jun 19, 1964 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s40920.

H.R. 7152. Civil Rights Act of 1964. Adoption of a resolution (h. Res. 789) providing for house approval of the bill as amended by theSenate, Jul 2, 1964 H.R. 7152. CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964. ADOPTION OF A … -- House Vote #182 -- Jul 2, 1964.

TO PASS S. 1564, The Voting Rights Act Of 1965, May 26, 1965, TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. -- Senate Vote #78 -- May 26, 1965

TO PASS H.R. 6400, The 1965 Voting Rights Act, Jul 9, 1965, TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT. -- House Vote #87 -- Jul 9, 1965 .

These are the actual Senate and House records, not some trash from the Daily Sickness. You republicans just need to stop lyiing about yourself by using the past Republican party.

Because:

On December 6, 2019, The House of Representatives passed H.R. 4,the Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2019, by a vote of 228-186. This bill was proposed to undo the damage caused by the Roberts SupremeCourt 2013 decision. There were 187 Republicans in the House of Representatives in 2019. One Republican voted for this bill, Brian Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania.

116TH CONGRESS, 1ST SESSION, Roll Call 654, Bill Number: H. R. 4, Voting Rights Advancement Act, DEC 06, 2019,
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/201965425.

In 2021, The John Lewis Voting Rights Actwas opposed by every Republican in the senate. Senate Republicans wouldn’t even let the bill come to the floor for debate. They filibustered the John Lewis Voting Rights Act like Dixiecrats did the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

Josh Israel, Every Senate Republican just voted against voting rights — again, American Independent, January 20, 2022,

https://americanindependent.com/senate-republicans-votingrights-filibuster-mitch-mcconnell-john-lewis-voting-rights-advancement-act-freedom-to-vote-act/

Did they teach you in your Sociology classes that LBJ was a wonderful President who loved Black people?

 

[Hector12]

I have heard over and over the tired refrain from white members in ths forum about what the Great Society Program did to blacks. That claim is untrue.

The Aid To Dependent Children Program was created in 1935. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare long before Johnson. This program provided assistance for single mother with children with no father at home. Again this program began in In 1935. Blacks were excluded from this program. So from 1935, whites recived welfare and the welfsre was provided for white w9omen wirh no man in the house. And I have not read one article, watched on video or anything that talks about how this program provided incentives for whites to have children out of wedlock or how it destroyed the white family. Welfare had NEVER provided for a family with a man in the house, the Great Society had nothing to do with it.

Linda Gordon and Felice Batlan, The Legal History of the Aid to Dependent Children Program,Aid To Dependent Children: The Legal History

On July 28, 1967, President Lyndon Johnson established the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. The more common name for this is The Kerner Commission.

The Kerner Commission recommended solutions based on the following three principles: 1. “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.” 2. “To aim these programs for high impact in the immediate future in order to close the gap between promise and performance.” 3. “To undertake new initiatives and experiments that can change the system of failure and frustration that now dominates the ghetto and weakens our society.”

The Kerner Commission report was perhaps the most definitive government study done on race in the history of this nation. There has been little progress because at no level of government or society has America met even the first principle of the Kerner Commission. That is, “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.”

Patrick Monyihan issued a report and various white people cling to that report even though it was debunked pretty much immediately after it was written. Most whites want to avoid the huge elephant sitting on their lap as the cause for any problem with race relations or issues pertaining to blacks and that is white racism. Other nn white groups have the same issues. That's another thing whites need to stop denying. The Great Society has nothing to do with anything.

When Aid For Families with dependent children was introduced in 1935 it was restricted to widows, deserted wives, and their legitimate children. We need to return to those restrictions. We need to stop subsidizing illegitimacy.

 

[Delldude]

The daily signal is wrong.

I got my numbers from this:

Your numbers are pretty much correct, however you ignore the facts that when broken down along party lines, your claim, of more democrats voted, according to the links I provided, show you are quite wrong.

Actually more democrats voted for those bills.

Can you hear me now?

 

[IM2]

Your numbers are pretty much correct, however you ignore the facts that when broken down along party lines, your claim, of more democrats voted, according to the links I provided, show you are quite wrong.


Can you hear me now?

The problem is that more democrats voted for the bill in the 1960's and in 2021 Republicans filibustered a voting rights bill to correct the provisions erssed by Shelby Co v. Holder.

The numbers are broken down by party lines because they are from the actual congressional records. You are just simply wrong, your links do not compare with the congressional record. More Democrats voted for both laws period.

 

[Delldude]

The problem is that more democrats voted for the bill in the 1960's and in 2021 Republicans filibustered a voting rights bill to correct the provisions erssed by Shelby Co v. Holder.

The numbers are broken down by party lines because they are from the actual congressional records. You are just simply wrong, your links do not compare with the congressional record. More Democrats voted for both laws period.

My links show you are full of bullshit.............from the same records you posted.

Take your whitey racism and stick it up your ass.

 

[IM2]

My links show you are full of bullshit.............from the same records you posted.

Take your whitey racism and stick it up your ass.

There ain'tno whitey racism. But you appear to suffer from that fragility. My links show that more democrats voted. Percentages are not people. So your argument is bs.

 

[el midgetron]

Did they teach you in your Sociology classes that LBJ was a wonderful President who loved Black people?

It was in the syllabus but they spent so much time exchanging pronouns that they had to make some cuts to the curriculum.

 

[Delldude]

There ain'tno whitey racism. But you appear to suffer from that fragility. My links show that more democrats voted. Percentages are not people. So your argument is bs.

Actually your links show not enough democrats voted in support and republicans bailed your asses out to pass the bills.

 

[IM2]

Actually your links show not enough democrats voted in support and republicans bailed your asses out to pass the bills.

No thats not what it shows because if only republicans voted none would have passed. Therefore the fact is more Democrats voted for those bills than Republicans.

 

[Delldude]

No thats not what it shows because if only republicans voted none would have passed. Therefore the fact is more Democrats voted for those bills than Republicans.

So out of 258 democrats, only 153 supported it, 105 opposed it. So if only democrats would have voted, it still wouldn't have passed in either house.

More rep's voted out of their total membership numbers than democrats....Bwaa ha ha

God bless those white heathens.

 

[IM2]

So out of 258 democrats, only 153 supported it, 105 opposed it. So if only democrats would have voted, it still wouldn't have passed in either house.

More rep's voted out of their total membership numbers than democrats....Bwaa ha ha

God bless those white heathens.

More humans who were democrats voted for both bills. That's a fact.

 

[Delldude]

More humans who were democrats voted for both bills. That's a fact.

105 plantation owning democrats didn't quite see it that way.

None would have passed only by democrats........that's a fact

 

[JoeB131]

When Aid For Families with dependent children was introduced in 1935 it was restricted to widows, deserted wives, and their legitimate children. We need to return to those restrictions. We need to stop subsidizing illegitimacy.

And while we are at it, we need to return to newsreels and a cartoon before movies, just like we had in the oldy-times. These talkies are ruining the morals of America!! Bring back the Hays Code, while we are at it. And women wearing pants!!! How outrageous!!!

Times Change. People are no longer obligated to marry someone because they get pregnant. She could have used birth control, she could have had an abortion.