Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

[GreatestIam]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

He knew. Some of his disciples knew also, but until the resurrection of Christ from the dead happened, that put Christ's work in their minds as a new perspective--that their beliefs became actualized.

Scholars question the resurrection ands so should you.

Here is Bart Ehrman's views and he is the most renown and trusted biblical scholar at present. He shows that only 1 of the 4 gospel writers wrote of Jesus naming himself god, and he explains the error.

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?

In How Jesus Became God, Bart Ehrman explores how a Jewish preacher from Galilee was transformed into a deity. "Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God," Ehrman says.

www.npr.org

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

He knew. Some of his disciples knew also,

This is biblically in-accurate.

Jesus asked his disciple, who do you think I am. Some named older prophets but none said god.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No J in Heblew so....NO. That means there are no Jews so it IsNtReal

Have you ever wondered why Christianity chose to use the name Jesus, which is a Greek word?

I think they wanted to take the Jew-ness out of Jesus.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

if jesus was god why would he talk to himself?......when he was in the garden praying....who would god pray to?.....and why would the most advanced being there is subject himself to the shit he went through?...Jesus was not god....

Your logos beats Christian mythos.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No J in Heblew so....NO. That means there are no Jews so it IsNtReal

What were they called?? I'm aware there no j in jew, they were Hebrews then. there was no Jesuses either.

Look just above where I point out that Jesus is a Greek word and why it might have been used.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No J in Heblew so....NO. That means there are no Jews so it IsNtReal

The oldest English use of “Jew” on record, according to the Oxford English Dictionary (which is where one looks up this kind of thing) is from roughly 1275: “Pilates hym onswerede, am ich Gyv enne?” It is a translation taken from the New Testament: "Pilate answered, Am I a Jew?" (John 18:35).

Why are Jews called Jews?

The word 'Jew' originates with the ancient Israelite kingdom of Judah, but what its name means is a matter of great controversy. It could even mean 'Thank God'.

www.haaretz.com

or take your pick:

Ioudaios - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It gets more confusing when scriptures say that a Jew in an internal condition and not an external condition.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Those weren't Jesus' last words. In his last utterance, he referred to God as his Father again. “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” (Lk 23:46).

Strange that there are two different sayings for his last words. Someone is lying.

That aside.

Jesus also said that he and the Father were one. If you have seen me, you have seen the father.

Into my hands I commit my spirit sounds funny. No?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

He might have thought that but the fake messiah wasnt it.

True. He failed in proving the older Jewish savior myth to be true or real.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Those weren't Jesus' last words. In his last utterance, he referred to God as his Father again. “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” (Lk 23:46).

No his last words were it is finished


John 19:30

Given that there is more than one saying, I think we can say that they are what scholars call doublets.

There are quite a few of those in the bible.

Regards
DL

 

[Andylusion]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Yes, Jesus was aware.

John 8:58 says this....

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Now the key in that verse, is the ending "I am".

Even the Jews of his day, understood exactly what Jesus was saying. This is why in the following verse:

So they picked up stones to throw at him

They understood that Jesus was saying he was G-d. So where did that come from?

This goes all the way back to the Torah, in Exodus 3:13, where Moses is being told by G-d from a burning bush, to go and save his people out of Egypt.

Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Therefore, we can see that G-d identified himself, as "I AM". And Jesus also identified himself as "I AM".

This is why the Jews knew clearly, that Jesus was claiming to be G-d.

So I think we can clearly establish, that Jesus knew exactly who he was.

With that fact clearly established, let's look at your questions.

• Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

No.

• Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Yes. In John 10:33, Jesus said to the Jews, that he had done many good things, so for which of those good things was he being stoned to death?

"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

• Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

I would disagree with that.

For example, Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from being slaves in Egypt.
Why did he do that? Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Abraham's relative Lot, from Sodom. But he did. Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Noah from the flood, nor his son's and their wives. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from the snakes. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Israeli from their enemies. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to give Israeli a land of their own. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to defeat the Egyptians that were coming to recapture and enslave them again. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Jews from extermination by Persia, using Esther the Queen. But did, because he is good.

I could go on to thousands of examples, throughout the Torah and the prophets, showing that G-d is good.

The only time that people can claim that G-d is not good, by complaining that G-d judges evil. But in reality, that in itself, is proof that G-d is good.

If a judge in this world today, allowed a murderer and rapist, to go free without consequence, would consider that judge good?

Of course not. A judge that allows evil without consequence, is an evil judge himself.

G-d is not an evil judge. He judges, and punishes, all people according to their own evil. That includes his own chosen people. He judges the Israelites just as much as the gentile people around them. In same cases more harshly than those around them, because his people saw his amazing power, and they still committed evil.

• I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus seems unaware that he was God. What did Jesus mean by forsaken? The usual definition means abandoned or deserted. How can one abandon or desert themselves?

So all of this goes to the concept of the Trinity.
The G-d that is 3 in 1. G-d the Father, G-d the Son, and G-d the Holy Ghost.

How can G-d be 3 separate beings, and yet, be together as the same.

The best why I know to describe it, is like saying someone's last name is Smith.

You are part of a family, with a common last name. Someone calling for "Smith" could refer to you, or your father, or your mother even.

You are separate, but still united together as one.

Now... that is a pathetic understanding of the Trinity, but it is the best I know how to describe it.

How can Jesus be G-d, and yet be separate? How can Jesus "sit at the right hand of the Father", when Jesus is G-d himself?

And here is a my dramatic mind blowing insightful answer for this question.......

I don't know. I am comfortable with G-d being something beyond my ability to understand.

Honestly, I think at some level, if G-d was so simple and easy to understand, that we humans could know everything about G-d, that he really wouldn't be all that impressive.

So I am ok with G-d being beyond my ability to understand.

 

[beautress]

He knew. Some of his disciples knew also,

This is biblically in-accurate.

Jesus asked his disciple, who do you think I am. Some named older prophets but none said god.

Regards
DL

There are more than one scriptures on the topic. You missed Peter's answer and Jesus warning for the other disciples not to speak it abroad. He knew the pharasees were going to get him sooner or later, and he didn'[t want to shorten his life so that all could be fulfilled. In the Gospel of John He also said, "I and my Father are One." And He wasn't talking about Mary's husband Joseph, his carpenter father, either. I'm pretty certain the Holy Trinity brings out the oneness of God's triune personality of being Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in one. The father reveals himself in multiple ways, some visible and others invisible, meaning not seen by the human eye. He makes himself known through the heart. Some Christians are offended when they are told Christ and the Father are one and the same, along with the Holy Spirit. However, their belief in God, their obedience, and their humble walking I am sure God takes into consideration on judgment day. They say he is more than we know or can describe in mere words as his love encompasses all who live including those to be born of woman.

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Yes, Jesus was aware.

John 8:58 says this....

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Now the key in that verse, is the ending "I am".

Even the Jews of his day, understood exactly what Jesus was saying. This is why in the following verse:

So they picked up stones to throw at him

They understood that Jesus was saying he was G-d. So where did that come from?

This goes all the way back to the Torah, in Exodus 3:13, where Moses is being told by G-d from a burning bush, to go and save his people out of Egypt.

Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Therefore, we can see that G-d identified himself, as "I AM". And Jesus also identified himself as "I AM".

This is why the Jews knew clearly, that Jesus was claiming to be G-d.

So I think we can clearly establish, that Jesus knew exactly who he was.

With that fact clearly established, let's look at your questions.

• Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

No.

• Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Yes. In John 10:33, Jesus said to the Jews, that he had done many good things, so for which of those good things was he being stoned to death?

"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

• Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

I would disagree with that.

For example, Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from being slaves in Egypt.
Why did he do that? Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Abraham's relative Lot, from Sodom. But he did. Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Noah from the flood, nor his son's and their wives. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from the snakes. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Israeli from their enemies. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to give Israeli a land of their own. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to defeat the Egyptians that were coming to recapture and enslave them again. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Jews from extermination by Persia, using Esther the Queen. But did, because he is good.

I could go on to thousands of examples, throughout the Torah and the prophets, showing that G-d is good.

The only time that people can claim that G-d is not good, by complaining that G-d judges evil. But in reality, that in itself, is proof that G-d is good.

If a judge in this world today, allowed a murderer and rapist, to go free without consequence, would consider that judge good?

Of course not. A judge that allows evil without consequence, is an evil judge himself.

G-d is not an evil judge. He judges, and punishes, all people according to their own evil. That includes his own chosen people. He judges the Israelites just as much as the gentile people around them. In same cases more harshly than those around them, because his people saw his amazing power, and they still committed evil.

• I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus seems unaware that he was God. What did Jesus mean by forsaken? The usual definition means abandoned or deserted. How can one abandon or desert themselves?

So all of this goes to the concept of the Trinity.
The G-d that is 3 in 1. G-d the Father, G-d the Son, and G-d the Holy Ghost.

How can G-d be 3 separate beings, and yet, be together as the same.

The best why I know to describe it, is like saying someone's last name is Smith.

You are part of a family, with a common last name. Someone calling for "Smith" could refer to you, or your father, or your mother even.

You are separate, but still united together as one.

Now... that is a pathetic understanding of the Trinity, but it is the best I know how to describe it.

How can Jesus be G-d, and yet be separate? How can Jesus "sit at the right hand of the Father", when Jesus is G-d himself?

And here is a my dramatic mind blowing insightful answer for this question.......

I don't know. I am comfortable with G-d being something beyond my ability to understand.

Honestly, I think at some level, if G-d was so simple and easy to understand, that we humans could know everything about G-d, that he really wouldn't be all that impressive.

So I am ok with G-d being beyond my ability to understand.

Your dishonesty and out of context reading is quite apparent buddy.

I will not speak to all your partial biblical dialog but will address this one.

""We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Jesus then challenged them to deny the scriptures.

34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?…

The Jews had to agree.

As to I am.

Jesus is showing that as a perfected or enlightened mind, He was accepting his fate and becoming a perfected man/god, which you and I are invited to do with the following.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.



That says that when you become enlightened, you to should call your god I am and mean yourself the way Jesus did.

As to Yahweh and freeing the Jews, they have a better view of their history than you do.

Please take the time to view this, and if you want a bit of insight into religions in total and why they exist, you will get it by watching how the movie ends.



Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

He also said, "I and my Father are One."

I spoke to this in my last post above. Please have a look.

Let me add that if Jesus and his Father were one, they would be equal in knowledge.

Scriptures say that Jesus was asked the time of the end and he said only the Father knows, which is a clear indication that he and the Father were definitely not one in knowledge.

Above I show that if Jesus was, we can be as well by becoming his brethren by seeking and recognizing and activating our own spark of god within ourselves.

I have done so by pushing my apotheosis. So should you.

Let me repeat some of what I put above but within an explanation of why I call my god I am and mean myself, just as Jesus did.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL

 

[Andylusion]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Yes, Jesus was aware.

John 8:58 says this....

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Now the key in that verse, is the ending "I am".

Even the Jews of his day, understood exactly what Jesus was saying. This is why in the following verse:

So they picked up stones to throw at him

They understood that Jesus was saying he was G-d. So where did that come from?

This goes all the way back to the Torah, in Exodus 3:13, where Moses is being told by G-d from a burning bush, to go and save his people out of Egypt.

Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Therefore, we can see that G-d identified himself, as "I AM". And Jesus also identified himself as "I AM".

This is why the Jews knew clearly, that Jesus was claiming to be G-d.

So I think we can clearly establish, that Jesus knew exactly who he was.

With that fact clearly established, let's look at your questions.

• Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

No.

• Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Yes. In John 10:33, Jesus said to the Jews, that he had done many good things, so for which of those good things was he being stoned to death?

"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

• Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

I would disagree with that.

For example, Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from being slaves in Egypt.
Why did he do that? Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Abraham's relative Lot, from Sodom. But he did. Because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Noah from the flood, nor his son's and their wives. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Israelites from the snakes. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save Israeli from their enemies. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to give Israeli a land of their own. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to defeat the Egyptians that were coming to recapture and enslave them again. But he did, because he is good.

Yahweh didn't have to save the Jews from extermination by Persia, using Esther the Queen. But did, because he is good.

I could go on to thousands of examples, throughout the Torah and the prophets, showing that G-d is good.

The only time that people can claim that G-d is not good, by complaining that G-d judges evil. But in reality, that in itself, is proof that G-d is good.

If a judge in this world today, allowed a murderer and rapist, to go free without consequence, would consider that judge good?

Of course not. A judge that allows evil without consequence, is an evil judge himself.

G-d is not an evil judge. He judges, and punishes, all people according to their own evil. That includes his own chosen people. He judges the Israelites just as much as the gentile people around them. In same cases more harshly than those around them, because his people saw his amazing power, and they still committed evil.

• I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus seems unaware that he was God. What did Jesus mean by forsaken? The usual definition means abandoned or deserted. How can one abandon or desert themselves?

So all of this goes to the concept of the Trinity.
The G-d that is 3 in 1. G-d the Father, G-d the Son, and G-d the Holy Ghost.

How can G-d be 3 separate beings, and yet, be together as the same.

The best why I know to describe it, is like saying someone's last name is Smith.

You are part of a family, with a common last name. Someone calling for "Smith" could refer to you, or your father, or your mother even.

You are separate, but still united together as one.

Now... that is a pathetic understanding of the Trinity, but it is the best I know how to describe it.

How can Jesus be G-d, and yet be separate? How can Jesus "sit at the right hand of the Father", when Jesus is G-d himself?

And here is a my dramatic mind blowing insightful answer for this question.......

I don't know. I am comfortable with G-d being something beyond my ability to understand.

Honestly, I think at some level, if G-d was so simple and easy to understand, that we humans could know everything about G-d, that he really wouldn't be all that impressive.

So I am ok with G-d being beyond my ability to understand.

Your dishonesty and out of context reading is quite apparent buddy.

I will not speak to all your partial biblical dialog but will address this one.

""We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Jesus then challenged them to deny the scriptures.

34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?…

The Jews had to agree.

As to I am.

Jesus is showing that as a perfected or enlightened mind, He was accepting his fate and becoming a perfected man/god, which you and I are invited to do with the following.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.



That says that when you become enlightened, you to should call your god I am and mean yourself the way Jesus did.

As to Yahweh and freeing the Jews, they have a better view of their history than you do.

Please take the time to view this, and if you want a bit of insight into religions in total and why they exist, you will get it by watching how the movie ends.



Regards
DL

Your dishonesty and out of context reading is quite apparent buddy.

I will not speak to all your partial biblical dialog.

You seem to have confused me, with someone who was asking you for understanding.

I am not. I answered your question. Me answering your question on this matter, is not me asking for you to answer questions I didn't ask.

I answered truthfully and accurately. You have rejected my answer, and I accept that. However, that does not mean that I need to know, nor care about your opinion on the matter.

Regards

 

[Penelope]

Alan Watts is a superb video. Thank you!!

 

[norwegen]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

Regards
DL

Those weren't Jesus' last words. In his last utterance, he referred to God as his Father again. “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” (Lk 23:46).

No his last words were it is finished


John 19:30

When we consider Luke and John, yes these were his last words. He committed his spirit to God and announced that his work was done.

I thought the former was more of an answer to the reason God forsook him. On the Cross, Jesus was the curse of Adam. As he died, that curse was lifted, or he would not have gone to the Father. But he, the first fruit of the resurrection, did go to the Father. It is finished.

 

[norwegen]

Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

I have wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words --- "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus seems unaware that he was God.

What did Jesus mean by forsaken?

The usual definition means abandoned or deserted.

How can one abandon or desert themselves?

If Jesus knew he was Yahweh, how did he feel about the poor reputation the Jews gave Yahweh?

Is that why the Jews tried to kill Jesus more than once before the cross got him?

Further.

Jesus also said that he and god were one, yet scriptures seem to show Jesus as Yahweh’s good side and Yahweh as the evil side.

If Jesus/Yahweh shared the some consciousness, which they would have to given that there is only one god in Christianity, why are they so different?

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DL

Those weren't Jesus' last words. In his last utterance, he referred to God as his Father again. “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” (Lk 23:46).

Strange that there are two different sayings for his last words. Someone is lying.

That aside.

Jesus also said that he and the Father were one. If you have seen me, you have seen the father.

Into my hands I commit my spirit sounds funny. No?

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DL

Strange that his last words were not, at any rate, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". Yes, someone is lying.

That aside.

Jesus and the Father were one, yes, when they were one. Not when he was a curse.

 

[LittleNipper]

He knew. Some of his disciples knew also,

This is biblically in-accurate.

Jesus asked his disciple, who do you think I am. Some named older prophets but none said god.

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DL

Matthew 8:27-30
27Then Jesus and His disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say I am?”

28They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”

29“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”

Peter answered, “You are the CHRIST/MESSIAH.”

30And Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about Him.

 

[LittleNipper]

Jesus Himself claimed to be the promised Messiah. When He talked with a woman at a well in Samaria, she said, “ ‘I know that Messiah is coming’ (who is called Christ). ‘When He comes, He will tell us all things.’ Jesus said to her, ‘I who speak to you am He’ ” (John 4:25, 26).

 

[ding]

Jesus Himself claimed to be the promised Messiah. When He talked with a woman at a well in Samaria, she said, “ ‘I know that Messiah is coming’ (who is called Christ). ‘When He comes, He will tell us all things.’ Jesus said to her, ‘I who speak to you am He’ ” (John 4:25, 26).

Among other things.