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Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Look, man, every village cop needs at least one tank. It's a crazy world out there! Punks vandalizing street signs, juvenile deliquents skipping school. We need to bring some major firepower to bear on our problems.
Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
one example of this racism would be appreciated
Trump spread birtherism, which as racist as shit.
Okay, dude, I don't measure "Freedom" in terms of how free the wealthy are to abuse the rest of us. Usually, when a wingnut talks about 'Freedom", he usually means protecting privilege.
Living in a civilized society costs money. If the rich are paying the lion share of taxes, it's because they have too much of the money to start with.
Wait a minute, when is attacking somebody justified? Self-defense is justified, but never attacking somebody. I'm a black belt and a CCW holder, and this is the first I ever heard about justified attacks on another human being.
And what do you mean by when blacks fund campaigns, it's corruption? I have no idea WTF you're even talking about. Who ever said that? Have any examples?
Why do you leftists always go back in time to make a point instead of talking about the present? There is no comparison to civil rights to lowlifes attacking our police and adversaries because all the good people want to stay within the law and they don't.
Well that depends on how you consider attack. Executions are attacks. They're legal.
I didn't say anything about "blacks fund campaigns", I said in Africa. So I can see why you have no idea what I'm talking about if you can't even read what I wrote (again).
But I'll try and explain. The whole idea of democracy is that the people have a vote and the representatives then represent the voters somehow in order to get re-elected. However when you have people like the Koch brothers, among others, throwing cash everywhere and literally paying politicians to do their bidding for cash, which is then spent on paying for that politician to be re-elected, then you have corruption. However it's not called corruption. It's legitimized. In Africa when people use money to take money out of the system, it's called corruption. Leaders who stay in power and do whatever they like are called corrupt. But the Koch brothers, among others, can't be kicked out of power, just like African dictators can't be kicked out of power.
"Why do you leftists always go back in time to make a point instead of talking about the present? "
Do you want me to be frank Ray? The simple answer to this is because I'm not fucking stupid. It's because I understand how to make points and to back my points up with EVIDENCE. I do understand that a lot of people have a hard time understanding how to make a legitimate point, they look at the media and get pissy because the media doesn't say what they want them to say, but fucking hell Ray, what I'm doing is making a point and BACKING THE FUCKING THING UP. I can't believe that you're attacking me for backing up a point. You reach new lows every fucking time I talk to you.
Look.......do you want to talk about current situations in the US or not? I don't GAF about Africa. If you want to talk about Africa, start a topic on it. This topic is about military gear for our police IN THE US!!!!!
Executions are not an attack. Executions are a legal penalty decided by a jury and a judge. Political contributions are on both sides. Ever hear of George Soros? Ever hear of unions? Ever hear of Hollywood or trial lawyers? Ever hear of a guy named Warren Buffet?
Civil rights and other protests you wish to go back to were at a time when there was antiquated communications. It was virtually the only way for people to be heard. That's unnecessary today. Today you have cable TV, today you have email, today you have social media, today you have investigative reporting, today you have the internet. There is no need to protest or start riots today unless the only reason you have is to start trouble. And because people are only out on the streets to start trouble, our police need any means to combat that trouble by the left.
Yes Ray, and in talking about the present, you can look back at the past to see how things work.
Seemingly what you're doing Ray, is finding things that are inconvenient and then coming up with a tactic designed to stop that inconvenience from impacting your argument. Sorry Ray, you talk to me you talk to me in the present which is impacted by the past, and based on the reality that history repeats itself, and to understand things you need to look at the past.
Look Ray, I couldn't give a fuck if you never learned how to make an argument properly, but I did. If you have a problem talking to people who make arguments and back them up, I'm sure there are plenty of fuckheads who will do it in the way of morons and idiots. But that's not me, okay. So choose.
Executions ARE an attack Ray. And your argument as to why they're not goes back to them being legal. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being an attack Ray. It's like saying this biscuit isn't a biscuit because it's Thursday.
You can have a group of people decide to make an attack. Just because they're a judge and jury doesn't stop it being an attack. It's clearly not self defense, is it? So it must be an attack. If I were to kill someone in the same manner as an execution I would be hunted down by the police for it. Why? Because I attacked someone.
I didn't say political contributions weren't on both sides Ray. So why you brought this up, I have no fucking idea. What, exactly, does this have to do with this conversation?
Ray, the Civil Rights movement was at a time of limited communications. But the Constitution is still the same Constitution. In the modern world it's still difficult for people to be heard. I've been on political forums like this for 20 something years and yet the media has ignored me completely and utterly. Not that I care.
The media did NOT ignore those protesters. Nothing much has changed Ray, the more communications we have, the more we have to sift through it all and the more we ignore things. We're still acting like the 1960s with limited media. The right have one TV news show, Fox News. Why so limited? Because it's easier that way, rather than having to make choices.
Protest is still protest, it's still protected by the Constitution and you're saying that protest makes you the enemy of the state (or at least the state as you think it should be).
If something was right in the 1960s, why is it wrong today?
There is no need? Well there is no need to have guns in the modern era either. There's no need to have TV in fact, we have the internet, you can watch programs on your computer. There's no need for lots of things, like lights with different voltage, or with special colors. We're not talking about NEED here Ray, we're talking about RIGHTS>
That's about the stupidest thing I have ever read. Let me ask: if a police officer arrests somebody, is that an attack? When the officer throws a criminal in jail, is that an attack? When a judge sentences a murderer to 20 years in jail, is that an attack?
The death penalty is just that--a penalty. It's what you owe society and a victims family for their loss and unacceptable behavior to society. It's not an attack especially when you caused the harm to other people that brought you the penalty. When you committed the act, you knew the possibilities of the penalty. You brought it on yourself.
No, you can't kill somebody on your own, that's called murder, just like you can't legally put somebody in handcuffs and put them someplace where they can't get out. That's called kidnapping. Only authority (which we the public give to others) are allowed to do that.
The people have never had a louder voice than today. For crying out loud, somebody can't kick their dog without the news doing a story on it. People who riot, attack our police officers, attack citizens, destroy property are criminals, and criminals need to be dealt with as harshly as possible. Allowing our police the equipment to do that job safely and efficiently is not a problem as far as I (and most law abiding citizens) are concerned. And do you know why it doesn't concern me? Because I will never be in a confrontation with police.
It hardly surprises me that this is the stupidest thing you've ever read, but I do wonder what it is you are actually reading, it's probably not what I wrote, but anyway. I didn't say a police officer arresting someone is an attack, so.... had you read what I actually wrote on the other hand....
Just because the death penalty is a penalty, that doesn't stop it being an attack. If I do EXACTLY the same thing, the law would see it as an attack. You logic doesn't stand up to any scrutiny here Ray.
Yes, it's called murder. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for proving me right.
The people have never had a louder voice, and I guess politicians have never had stronger ear plugs either. The US and democracy don't go together for fuck's sake. You have politicians massively on the take.
Why do you think opensecrets.org is called open secrets. But then you've always defended the system, no matter how fucking corrupt it is, as long as it's the Republican side of the corruption. You'll happily tell me all about the Democratic corruption.
You have superPACs Ray, what do you think one of those is? It's a way of people funneling money to politicians so no one, not you, not me, can see what the fuck is going on. We don't know how much money these people are giving to politicians, but we know it's happening and I know it's wrong. You seem to think it's okay though because you'll excuse corruption.
You'll never be in confrontation with the police? Well, time will tell whether you're lucky enough for that to be the case or not. The way the US is going, you SHOULD be in confrontation with the police in a few decades.
But then you know why the RKBA exists right? It's so that people could topple the govt, topple the police, take it all down. Or maybe you didn't know that.
Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Tactics? Who said anything about tactics? This is hardware and protective gear. The left is just unhappy that there aren't more Miosotis Familias getting shot. Come out and say it.... The police should not have anything that decreases their vulnerability to criminal killers.
Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Police should use all means necessary to resolve a problem. Our police should have the best protection available to them.
1992 Los Angeles. That's why the national guard came with their tanks.Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Police should use all means necessary to resolve a problem. Our police should have the best protection available to them.
Who says they don't? A tank is not protection. It is a offensive weapon designed to kill people. I have never seen a instance where officers need a tank.
Geeze, they have already become a paramilitary force over the past 30 years or so. What's next for them? Tanks, APC's, attack helicopters?I don't have a problem with it, but it should be available to me as well. Second Amendment and all that.
"The Trump administration is preparing to restore the flow of surplus military equipment to local law enforcement agencies under a program that had been sharply curtailed by the Obama administration amid an outcry over police use of armored vehicles and other war-fighting gear to confront protesters."
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Correct. I'm sure Trump knows all kinds of Americans named Barack, and some with the middle name Hussein. How anybody could question a guys birth place with a name like that is beyond me.
And by that statement I would assume you are the judge as to what too much money is.
1992 Los Angeles. That's why the national guard came with their tanks.
I think that most people have already decided that the rich have too much money. Below is a chart. The Top line is what the ACTUAL distribution of wealth is. The middle line is what people THINK it is and the bottom line is what most people think would be fair.
Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Police should use all means necessary to resolve a problem. Our police should have the best protection available to them.
Who says they don't? A tank is not protection. It is a offensive weapon designed to kill people. I have never seen a instance where officers need a tank.
Hmmmmm. Isn't it funny how police departments being allowed to use what they need to combat crime became a political issue? The left are against a stronger police force and the right are for it. Now gee, why in the world would that be? Could it be that most criminals are liberals?
This is not a right vs left issue as you want to make it. The police do not need tanks or anti-mine vehicles. The fact is that we have seen the results of the militarization of police officers. Gestapo tactics being used against peaceful and non-violent people and demonstrators. Fascist thugs like you need to be deported.
Now that's your typical commie response. "If you don't think like a liberal, you need to be removed from the country."
No, I think it's liberals that should be removed from the country. There is only one place for conservatives in the world, and that is the USA. For Socialist/ Communist types, there are all kinds of utopias for you people to move to. Besides, if we could get rid of Democrats in our country, my property value would double overnight and we could start repaying the US debt.
You are not a conservative. You are the liberal. You are the commie. This country was founded on constitutional principles. Principles that are threatened by the militarization of the police. Military style tactics should not be used against American citizens.
Tactics? Who said anything about tactics? This is hardware and protective gear. The left is just unhappy that there aren't more Miosotis Familias getting shot. Come out and say it.... The police should not have anything that decreases their vulnerability to criminal killers.
And how many times do police officers run across land mines? The fact is that they have the equipment they need. Combine military gear with military style training and the combination is not good.
I find it fascinating that those who claim to not trust big government support this...
He can't. He's one of those that yells "racism" any time someone disagrees with what he believes or opposes Obama in any way. Like a parrot.
says the guy who keeps using the N-word like that's still acceptable
