There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.

[mudwhistle]

This reminds me of the Vietnam Strategy... declare victory and go home.

We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did Germany and Japan during World War II.

But the Vietnamese still prevailed.

I was alive during Vietnam, missed going myself by only a year, and it never went this well.
My brother did go to Vietnam.

 

[JoeB131]

I was alive during Vietnam, missed going myself by only a year, and it never went this well.
My brother did go to Vietnam.

And you still don't understand why we lost, do you?

 

[mudwhistle]

And you still don't understand why we lost, do you?

We lost because of assholes like you in the media.

 

[JoeB131]

We lost because of assholes like you in the media.

No, we lost because the Vietnamese didn't want us there.

Ho Chi Minh was a national hero who fought against the French and the Japanese.

The people we were propping up were Quislings who went along with whatever occupying power stopped by that day.

The minute we left, the Saigon Quislings were defeated in 55 days.

 

[berg80]

On Iran, Gabbard Turned Intelligence Duties Over to Trump​

President Trump has taken on many ancillary roles in Washington: chairman of the Kennedy Center. The de facto chief architect of the city’s landmark properties. And now, the nation’s chief intelligence analyst.

This revelation came from Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence. She had the unenviable task at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on Wednesday of squaring Mr. Trump’s comments about an urgent nuclear threat from Iran with a letter from one of her trusted aides that the country posed no “imminent threat.”

Her answer? Only the president can decide what is an “imminent” threat. In other words, she was turning one of the key roles of the intelligence community’s 80,000 employees — to make nonpolitical judgments about threats to American security — over to Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/18/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-iran-trump.html

That makes sense, doesn't it? After all, in trumpworld, he decides what is real and what isn't regardless of the underlying facts.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, we lost because the Vietnamese didn't want us there.

Ho Chi Minh was a national hero who fought against the French and the Japanese.

The people we were propping up were Quislings who went along with whatever occupying power stopped by that day.

The minute we left, the Saigon Quislings were defeated in 55 days.

The problem with most foreign countries is their leaders are often weak and spinless.

Most of them only stay in power because they practice blame-casting. They never want to accept the blame for their own malfeasance. Classic Democrats.

Ho Chi Minh was a national hero.....kind of like Donald John Trump. But Ho Chi Minh died in 1969. Seems the Vietnamese were willing to accept the lessor of two evils when it came to Communism. Anything was better than Japanese or French occupation. Vietnam for Vietnamese. Sounds like MAGA. Difference is we don't have to accept Communism. But that is the only option that the Deep State wants for us.

The reason we lost the war is because liberalism had taken over our media. Our media is filled with Marxists graduated from our colleges and universities. They turned the war against us and made getting out inevitable.

 

[the watcher]

the Zionists.

The sad thing is you really think which party is in has an effect on this.

The AIPAC tail wags the dog, no matter if it's a Republican Dog or a Democratic Dog.

I agree with you on this, which probably means we are both wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

Ho Chi Minh was a national hero.....kind of like Donald John Trump. But Ho Chi Minh died in 1969. Seems the Vietnamese were willing to accept the lessor of two evils when it came to Communism. Anything was better than Japanese or French occupation. Vietnam for Vietnamese. Sounds like MAGA. Difference is we don't have to accept Communism. But that is the only option that the Deep State wants for us.

Trump has a 35% approval rating. He is the Evil. And who do you think runs the Deep State? The people who have been advocating for a war with Iran for years. You know who!

but this is about Vietnam. We got in the middle of someone else's civil war, and we picked the wrong side. The people we picked were notoriously corrupt, were stealing the money we were sending as fast as we could send it.

The reason we lost the war is because liberalism had taken over our media. Our media is filled with Marxists graduated from our colleges and universities. They turned the war against us and made getting out inevitable.

Um, no, the reason we lost the war was because the war itself was wrong. The media didn't have to tell people that. They could see us dropping bombs and napalm and Agent Orange, and wondered what any of it was for.

The fact the rich avoided service and the poor were drafted made it worse.

List of people who avoided Vietnam - Trump, Cheney, Bush, Quayle, Limbaugh... Well, you get the idea.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump has a 35% approval rating. He is the Evil. And who do you think runs the Deep State? The people who have been advocating for a war with Iran for years. You know who!

but this is about Vietnam. We got in the middle of someone else's civil war, and we picked the wrong side. The people we picked were notoriously corrupt, were stealing the money we were sending as fast as we could send it.




Um, no, the reason we lost the war was because the war itself was wrong. The media didn't have to tell people that. They could see us dropping bombs and napalm and Agent Orange, and wondered what any of it was for.

The fact the rich avoided service and the poor were drafted made it worse.

List of people who avoided Vietnam - Trump, Cheney, Bush, Quayle, Limbaugh... Well, you get the idea.

They're still stealing from us.....and the Democrats are taking kickbacks from foreign countries and from Somalis they brought here under false pretenses.

 

[mudwhistle]

Um, no, the reason we lost the war was because the war itself was wrong. The media didn't have to tell people that. They could see us dropping bombs and napalm and Agent Orange, and wondered what any of it was for.

The fact the rich avoided service and the poor were drafted made it worse.

List of people who avoided Vietnam - Trump, Cheney, Bush, Quayle, Limbaugh... Well, you get the idea.

We lost because LBJ was making money for his friends in the military arms industry.

Most Democrats avoided Vietnam as well. The few that did serve lied about their service. Dick Blumenthal and John Kerry for example. None of them took a bullet like Trump did.

 

[berg80]

They're still stealing from us.....and the Democrats are taking kickbacks from foreign countries and from Somalis they brought here under false pretenses.

Why is it taking so long to arrange for tankers to be escorted thru the Strait by the US Navy if Iran's navy has been decimated?

Is it possible tanker companies don't want to take the risk as long as there is a potential for their ships to be blown up and their crews to be killed?

 

[mudwhistle]

Why is it taking so long to arrange for tankers to be escorted thru the Strait by the US Navy if Iran's navy has been decimated?

Is it possible tanker companies don't want to take the risk as long as there is a potential for their ships to be blown up and their crew to be killed?

Yeah.

Why is it taking so long?

Part of the reason is the fact that our gutless EU allies refused to lift a finger to help.

Once again, we're left to shoulder the burden of keeping the Strait open so that China and other's continue to get their oil.

 

[berg80]

Yeah.

Why is it taking so long?

Part of the reason is the fact that our gutless EU allies refused to lift a finger to help.

Once again, we're left to shoulder the burden of keeping the Strait open so that China and other's continue to get their oil.

Bessent and Wright said the Navy would begin escorts when it was done destroying Iran's navy. Dotard said it has been destroyed. So where are the escorts?

 

[mudwhistle]

Bessent and Wright said the Navy would begin escorts when it was done destroying Iran's navy. Dotard said it has been destroyed. So where are the escorts?

Peers the Iranian navy was used for harassment.

The real threat was from their hidden drone and missile sites along the Strait.

Once the cargo/tanker companies are given clearance to enter the Strait they'll start going to deliver their cargo.

 

[berg80]

Peers the Iranian navy was used for harassment.

The real threat was from their hidden drone and missile sites along the Strait.

Once the cargo/tanker companies are given clearance to enter the Strait they'll start going to deliver their cargo.

Clearance from who? When does the threat of drone strikes go away?

 

[Rawley]

Did President Obama ever make the claim that there was?

Have you not been following the thread? That is what your cult is claiming. If the attack is not "imminent", the use of our military is illegal, both under US and "International" law.

 

[22lcidw]

Trump has a 35% approval rating. He is the Evil. And who do you think runs the Deep State? The people who have been advocating for a war with Iran for years. You know who!

but this is about Vietnam. We got in the middle of someone else's civil war, and we picked the wrong side. The people we picked were notoriously corrupt, were stealing the money we were sending as fast as we could send it.




Um, no, the reason we lost the war was because the war itself was wrong. The media didn't have to tell people that. They could see us dropping bombs and napalm and Agent Orange, and wondered what any of it was for.

The fact the rich avoided service and the poor were drafted made it worse.

List of people who avoided Vietnam - Trump, Cheney, Bush, Quayle, Limbaugh... Well, you get the idea.

And no Democrats missed any of it of course. Yet an evil Democratic President massively expanded the conflict. It was the then Democrats who a great say in the post WW 2 world. One of the treaties was SEATO. The expansion of communism was not to be tolerated. With Iran I have Iran fatigue. Voters did not sign on to this. Yet it exists and we need to complete the mission. And do it quickly. You guys when empowered again will phuk things up worse. Gasoline needs to come down in price or Republicans are toast in the mid terms.

 

[mudwhistle]

Clearance from who? When does the threat of drone strikes go away?

 

[berg80]

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Clearance from who? Iran? Why would they do that? This is their retaliatory strategy playing out as they want it to.

 

[jc456]

Did President Obama ever make the claim that there was?

Isn't that what's needed to engage the troops? I mean, it's been on the news for three weeks what was the threat. Well if one isn't needed why ask?

Did he ever say he made the decision based on his feelings that there was?

Was he ever transparent about why? Post us a link where he gave an explanation.

Wasn't that in coordination with some of our NATO allies to enforce the UN Resolution 1973 that authorized the use of force to stop Kaddafi who was sending troops to massacre civilians in Benghazi?

Who knows, there was no transparency. You can merely post the link with the information.