A Gathering Consensus

[berg80]

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran​

For example, a bipartisan group of more than 50 former national security and military leaders signed a letter in April applauding the negotiators and urging Congress to refrain from impeding ongoing talks. Although withholding judgment until the final deal is reached, these policy heavyweights found that “the framework represents important progress toward our goal of blocking an Iranian nuclear weapon.”

They warned further that “undermining the negotiations or blocking the chances of reaching a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action” could have grave consequences. Among these are “creating the perception that the U.S. is responsible for the collapse of the agreement; unraveling international cooperation on sanctions; and triggering the unfreezing of Iran’s nuclear program the rapid ramping of Iranian nuclear capacity.” This, they said, “could enhance the possibility of war.”

Signers included former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former National Security Advisors Samuel Berger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Brent Scowcroft; retired Generals Anthony Zinni and Frank Kearney; retired Admirals William Fallon, Eric Olsen, and Joe Sestak; former Ambassadors Thomas Pickering, Nicolas Burns, Chester Crocker, James Dobbins, Michael Armacost, Daniel Kurtzer, and Frank Wisner; and issue experts such as George Perkovich, Graham Allison, Robert Einhorn, Michèle Flournoy, and Gary Sick, among others.

Reflecting this consensus view, both Brzezinski and Scowcroft warned Congress earlier this year in a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee to “not take steps which would destroy the negotiations.“

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran – LobeLog

Inside the Obama-era Iran nuclear deal that Trump withdrew from

The U.S. and Iran have yet to reach a peace deal or address Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite signals from Trump that talks are progressing.

www.cnbc.com

Experts in the field of nuclear proliferation with no political axe to grind have consistently supported the JCPOA's achievement. Some even presciently warned blocking finalization of the agreement could lead to war. Blocking it didn't but withdrawing from it did. With 2 1/2 years to go the only remaining question being will the withdrawal, or something else, be the biggest foreign policy blunder of trump's presidencies?

 

[Mac1958]

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran​

For example, a bipartisan group of more than 50 former national security and military leaders signed a letter in April applauding the negotiators and urging Congress to refrain from impeding ongoing talks. Although withholding judgment until the final deal is reached, these policy heavyweights found that “the framework represents important progress toward our goal of blocking an Iranian nuclear weapon.”

They warned further that “undermining the negotiations or blocking the chances of reaching a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action” could have grave consequences. Among these are “creating the perception that the U.S. is responsible for the collapse of the agreement; unraveling international cooperation on sanctions; and triggering the unfreezing of Iran’s nuclear program the rapid ramping of Iranian nuclear capacity.” This, they said, “could enhance the possibility of war.”

Signers included former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former National Security Advisors Samuel Berger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Brent Scowcroft; retired Generals Anthony Zinni and Frank Kearney; retired Admirals William Fallon, Eric Olsen, and Joe Sestak; former Ambassadors Thomas Pickering, Nicolas Burns, Chester Crocker, James Dobbins, Michael Armacost, Daniel Kurtzer, and Frank Wisner; and issue experts such as George Perkovich, Graham Allison, Robert Einhorn, Michèle Flournoy, and Gary Sick, among others.

Reflecting this consensus view, both Brzezinski and Scowcroft warned Congress earlier this year in a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee to “not take steps which would destroy the negotiations.“

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran – LobeLog

Inside the Obama-era Iran nuclear deal that Trump withdrew from

The U.S. and Iran have yet to reach a peace deal or address Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite signals from Trump that talks are progressing.

www.cnbc.com

Experts in the field of nuclear proliferation with no political axe to grind have consistently supported the JCPOA's achievement. Some even presciently warned blocking finalization of the agreement could lead to war. Blocking it didn't but withdrawing from it did. With 2 1/2 years to go the only remaining question being will the withdrawal, or something else, be the biggest foreign policy blunder of trump's presidencies?

I think that tossing out the JCPOA and peeing on Iran to mark his territory was one of the primary driving factors of this stupid decision.

Right now, I'd guess there is only one (1) thing he cares about: Getting an agreement that he thinks he can sell to anyone as a "win".

 

[kyzr]

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran​

Experts in the field of nuclear proliferation with no political axe to grind have consistently supported the JCPOA's achievement. Some even presciently warned blocking finalization of the agreement could lead to war. Blocking it didn't but withdrawing from it did. With 2 1/2 years to go the only remaining question being will the withdrawal, or something else, be the biggest foreign policy blunder of trump's presidencies?

What a crock of sh!t.
The JCPOA was a 10 year delay for Iran to get nukes and ICBMs, plus Obama gave them $56,000,000,000 to help fund their terrorism, i.e. no strings attached.
The US blockade and sanctions will do what the disastrous JCPOA did not do.

 

[berg80]

I think that tossing out the JCPOA and peeing on Iran to mark his territory was one of the primary driving factors of this stupid decision.

Right now, I'd guess there is only one (1) thing he cares about: Getting an agreement that he thinks he can sell to anyone as a "win".

Ever since Obama humiliated him at the WH correspondence dinner trump has tried to erase Obama's achievements. It can be fairly stated Don's petty petulance caused the war with Iran. That and the colossal mistake of saying yes to Bibi.

 

[luiza]

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran​

You are so naive .
.
This is scripted Theatre .
And has been from the beginning .
As told from before February28 .

Even fools recognise that if you could get real agreements this month, it is too late to prevent Energy and Food shortages over at least the next year .
The whole point of the Project .

Your OP perfectly captures your overall posting style and content -- ill informed Muncher Misinformation sprinkled with deliberate Disinformation .
Or just old fashioned ignorance .

 

[berg80]

What a crock of sh!t.
The JCPOA was a 10 year delay for Iran to get nukes and ICBMs, plus Obama gave them $56,000,000,000 to help fund their terrorism, i.e. no strings attached.
The US blockade and sanctions will do what the disastrous JCPOA did not do.

As I recall you've already posted that bullshit before. You really do have a curious habit of being inured to the facts and being proven wrong.

Fact Sheet: 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal: Correcting Misconceptions - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation

Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation fact sheet correcting misconceptions about the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) or Iran deal

armscontrolcenter.org

Fact Sheet: The Iran Deal, Then and Now - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation

Updated June 2025 What is the Iran Deal or “Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action” (JCPOA)? On July 14, 2015, the United States and its international negotiating partners reached an agreement with Iran on its nuclear program: the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) or the Iran nuclear deal...

armscontrolcenter.org

 

[SaxonJackson]

The number one reason the USA is in the region is to bolster and expand the "Greater Israel Project." Trump was commanded to enter Israel's fray and he obeyed. He remains there because he has the biggest EGO in the entire Universe and is too stubborn to concern himself with America and her needs.

Iran's nuclear program is more of a nuisance to Israel than it is a threat. Trump is a hardcore Zionist and he wants to be remembered as the President that helped "the cause." I think he truly believes he's on some sort of God-ordained Crusade. Of course, he's delusional. That's why he shouldn't have his fingers anywhere near America's Nuke Button.

 

[berg80]

What a crock of sh!t.
The JCPOA was a 10 year delay for Iran to get nukes and ICBMs, plus Obama gave them $56,000,000,000 to help fund their terrorism, i.e. no strings attached.
The US blockade and sanctions will do what the disastrous JCPOA did not do.

Trump also claimed to NBC that the JCPOA would have already “expired long ago.” But many of its key provisions were permanent, while others were set to last 15 or 20 years or longer.

“I find it very hard to say how we are in a better position” currently, Ernest Moniz, who was the U.S. energy secretary when the 2015 was inked, told CNBC.

“Maybe there will be a rabbit pulled out of a hat. We all hope so. But right now, the conditions would certainly appear to be far less favorable than they were a decade ago,” he said.

 

[Mac1958]

I think he truly believes he's on some sort of God-ordained Crusade. Of course, he's delusional. That's why he shouldn't have his fingers anywhere near America's Nuke Button.

Holy crap. Yeah, that's possible. He's not religious, but he's so damaged that maybe he's bought into it.

He's usually surrounded by people who are telling him he's The Greatest Thing Ever. His sycophants are constantly praying over him. His psycho "spiritual advisor" lady says "saying no to Trump is like saying no to God".

Yikes. I hadn't thought of this.

 

[berg80]

The number one reason the USA is in the region is to bolster and expand the "Greater Israel Project." Trump was commanded to enter Israel's fray and he obeyed.

It's possible someone in the inner circle convinced Dotard attacking Iran would bring about regime change and he was just too ignorant (because he doesn't prioritize national security briefings over all night sessions of posting unhinged scrreds on social media) to realize it was a lie.

 

[22lcidw]

Ever since Obama humiliated him at the WH correspondence dinner trump has tried to erase Obama's achievements. It can be fairly stated Don's petty petulance caused the war with Iran. That and the colossal mistake of saying yes to Bibi.

And therein lies the issue. Perhaps Obama should not have "humiliated" him. Leave sleeping dogs lay. This is a major flaw of you Progressives. You take the victory mantra and shove it in everyone's face. And it comes back to bite you in the ass at times. You tear Trump apart for doing the same thing at times. Trump at the rescheduled correspondent's dinner has every right to skewer every Progressive shill there and their families. Getting the dirt on everything possible with their children, relatives, parents, etc. and get nasty. We will see how much laughter there is if he does. And if they do laugh, then that would be cool.

 

[berg80]

I think he truly believes he's on some sort of God-ordained Crusade. Of course, he's delusional. That's why he shouldn't have his fingers anywhere near America's Nuke Button.

What he has is called the god complex. I mean, we all saw the AI image of himself as jesus he posted, right?

 

[kyzr]

As I recall you've already posted that bullshit before. You really do have a curious habit of being inured to the facts and being proven wrong.

I have not been proven wrong.
Iran has enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs...and they are developing ICBMs.
Your naivete' is showing. Iran is a vicious dictatorship that needs to be defanged.

 

[georgephillip]

"One hundred days into the US-Israel war on Iran, we look at the number of times a deal seemed close."

How many times were the US and Iran on the verge of a deal?

Among today's clickbait headlines I saw one that alleged Iran has promised to close the Strait until September.

 

[22lcidw]

The number one reason the USA is in the region is to bolster and expand the "Greater Israel Project." Trump was commanded to enter Israel's fray and he obeyed. He remains there because he has the biggest EGO in the entire Universe and is too stubborn to concern himself with America and her needs.

Iran's nuclear program is more of a nuisance to Israel than it is a threat. Trump is a hardcore Zionist and he wants to be remembered as the President that helped "the cause." I think he truly believes he's on some sort of God-ordained Crusade. Of course, he's delusional. That's why he shouldn't have his fingers anywhere near America's Nuke Button.

Whatever side people are on in the American/Israeli relationship, we are becoming anti Israel. Or at least we will eliminate the special relationship with them at some point and treat them as a fellow nation cordially or with disagreements.

 

[Gary Seven]

Holy crap. Yeah, that's possible. He's not religious, but he's so damaged that maybe he's bought into it.

He's usually surrounded by people who are telling him he's The Greatest Thing Ever. His sycophants are constantly praying over him. His psycho "spiritual advisor" lady says "saying no to Trump is like saying no to God".

Yikes. I hadn't thought of this.

I'm sure the CIA and Mossad have known for years how to "actuate" Trump through his ego. It just took some time for them to work on him enough to produce results. They work slowly and deliberately, almost subliminally. No chance for error. The Deep State must assure that it remains deep.

And I'm also sure they worked on Kennedy in a similar fashion. Except when it didn't work in the time frame they hoped for, they opted for Plan.B.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Whatever side people are on in the American/Israeli relationship, we are becoming anti Israel. Or at least we will eliminate the special relationship with them at some point and treat them as a fellow nation cordially or with disagreements.

As it should be. They've interfered with our elections; dragged us into their wars; pushed an anti-America agenda via Hollywood and mainstream news; have pushed multiculturalism; pornography; feminism; LGBTQ; and amoral ideals for decades. With "allies" like that -- we don't need enemies.

 

[pknopp]

It will end. When it does Iran will have a younger, more hard nosed leadership.

Iran will control the straits. With this being the case nearly the entire middle east starts creating alliances with Iran.

Israel becomes ever more isolated in the world.

Iran gets their money and they claim "they aren't building nukes" which they have always claimed and really will have little need for anyway.

(Now here is where MAGA rants) "This is what you are rooting for".

Yep, the world waits on me to see what I am rooting for.

Somewhere I do get to note "did we learn nothing from Iran"?

 

[berg80]

I have not been proven wrong.
Iran has enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs...and they are developing ICBMs.
Your naivete' is showing. Iran is a vicious dictatorship that needs to be defanged.

First, Google.......

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say​

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say

Second, let's be clear about what we're discussing. Has Iran been working on developing a nuclear weapon since trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA? Yes. Were they capable of developing a nuclear bomb under the conditions of the JCPOA? No. Is the Iran regime a destabilizing force in the region? Yes. Did attacking Iran (along with Israel) help that situation? No. If anything it made it worse.

 

[struth]

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran​

For example, a bipartisan group of more than 50 former national security and military leaders signed a letter in April applauding the negotiators and urging Congress to refrain from impeding ongoing talks. Although withholding judgment until the final deal is reached, these policy heavyweights found that “the framework represents important progress toward our goal of blocking an Iranian nuclear weapon.”

They warned further that “undermining the negotiations or blocking the chances of reaching a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action” could have grave consequences. Among these are “creating the perception that the U.S. is responsible for the collapse of the agreement; unraveling international cooperation on sanctions; and triggering the unfreezing of Iran’s nuclear program the rapid ramping of Iranian nuclear capacity.” This, they said, “could enhance the possibility of war.”

Signers included former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former National Security Advisors Samuel Berger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Brent Scowcroft; retired Generals Anthony Zinni and Frank Kearney; retired Admirals William Fallon, Eric Olsen, and Joe Sestak; former Ambassadors Thomas Pickering, Nicolas Burns, Chester Crocker, James Dobbins, Michael Armacost, Daniel Kurtzer, and Frank Wisner; and issue experts such as George Perkovich, Graham Allison, Robert Einhorn, Michèle Flournoy, and Gary Sick, among others.

Reflecting this consensus view, both Brzezinski and Scowcroft warned Congress earlier this year in a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee to “not take steps which would destroy the negotiations.“

Overwhelming Expert Consensus Favors Agreement with Iran – LobeLog

Inside the Obama-era Iran nuclear deal that Trump withdrew from

The U.S. and Iran have yet to reach a peace deal or address Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite signals from Trump that talks are progressing.

www.cnbc.com

Experts in the field of nuclear proliferation with no political axe to grind have consistently supported the JCPOA's achievement. Some even presciently warned blocking finalization of the agreement could lead to war. Blocking it didn't but withdrawing from it did. With 2 1/2 years to go the only remaining question being will the withdrawal, or something else, be the biggest foreign policy blunder of trump's presidencies?

Yes, trump wants an agreement

Where you been?