What a strange, strange dance they're doing.

[berg80]

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire​

Oil prices, after falling last week, climbed on Monday as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against indications that both sides remain engaged in negotiations aimed at securing a lasting peace agreement.

Stocks were mixed, pulled higher in East Asia by the continued surge in interest in artificial intelligence, and lower in Europe.

The United States said it carried out a series of “self-defense” strikes in Iran over the weekend, the latest in a series of attacks in the past week. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announced that it had struck a U.S. air base in retaliation for a U.S. attack on a communications facility.

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire

Oil prices climbed as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against signs that both sides remain engaged in negotiations.

www.nytimes.com

It makes me think of a couple of adolescent brothers kicking each other in the back seat of a car during a long drive after telling mom and dad they'd stop fighting.

From a domestic political standpoint I can't see how trump can agree to the terms Iran is asking for. Especially after R's spent years hammering away at the Iranian assets returned to them by the US in exchange for forgoing a program to develop a nuclear bomb. Sending much (97%) of their partially enriched uranium out of the country.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create​

Today, international inspectors say, Iran has a total of 11 tons of uranium, at various enrichment levels. With further purification, that is enough to build up to 100 nuclear weapons — more than the estimated size of Israel’s arsenal.

Virtually all of that cache accumulated in the years after Mr. Trump abandoned the Obama-era deal. That is because Tehran lived up to its pledge to ship to Russia 12.5 tons of its overall stockpile, about 97 percent. Iran’s weapon designers were left with too little nuclear fuel to build a single bomb.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create

President Trump withdrew from the Obama-era nuclear accord in 2018, saying it was the worst deal ever. But Iran responded with an enrichment spree that haunts the negotiations to this day.

www.nytimes.com

The US has superior military might. Iran has control of the Strait, and consequently controls a vital lifeline to the world's economy. Concessions must be made by both sides for a negotiated agreement to work yet each keeps sticking a finger in the eye of the other. All the time the world's reserve supply of oil is dwindling. Which is Iran's hole card. How could Don, Pete, Tulsi, Marco, et al been so shortsighted as to get in to this intractable predicament?

 

[pknopp]

I'd love to see a virus set loose that only takes out the war mongers.

 

[berg80]

Iran Hands Over Stockpile of Enriched Uranium to Russia​

A Russian ship left Iran on Monday carrying almost all of Iran’s stockpile of low-enriched uranium, fulfilling a major step in the nuclear deal struck last summer and, for the first time in nearly a decade, apparently leaving Iran with too little fuel to manufacture a nuclear weapon.

Iran Hands Over Stockpile of Enriched Uranium to Russia (Published 2015)

The move fulfills an important step in the nuclear deal struck with world powers, and American officials say that it may now be only weeks before the accord will go into effect.

www.nytimes.com

Ah yes, those were the Halcyon days orchestrated by China, France, Germany, Russia, the UK, the US, Iran, and the EU........all achieved without threats of wiping out a civilization.

 

[berg80]

I'd love to see a virus set loose that only takes out the war mongers.

A selective neutron bomb of disease.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, it's all a nice reminder of why former American Presidents didn't try something this goddamn stupid.

Of course, they were intelligent people with a grasp of world history & geopolitics, and experienced advisors.

The ironic thing here is that Iran now knows it doesn't even NEED nukes to throw the world into a financial tizzy.

 

[pknopp]

Well, it's all a nice reminder of why former American Presidents didn't try something this goddamn stupid.

Eh? Many have. What did we accomplish in 20 years in Afghanistan?

Of course, they were intelligent people with a grasp of world history & geopolitics, and experienced advisors.

The ironic thing here is that Iran now knows it doesn't even NEED nukes to throw the world into a financial tizzy.

The Taliban was once the great satan also.

 

[Mac1958]

Eh? Many have. What did we accomplish in 20 years in Afghanistan?

The Taliban was once the great satan also.

Afganistan -- a stupid war -- had nothing like Iran's ability to damage the world economy. Not even close. And the whole world knew what could happen if they were attacked. Even Dubya was bright enough to avoid attacking them.

 

[berg80]

The ironic thing here is that Iran now knows it doesn't even NEED nukes to throw the world into a financial tizzy.

Funny you should mention that. Chris Wright, Dotard's Sec. of Energy (chosen because he's a climate change denier) said Iran's blockade of the Strait is "a card they can only play once." His theory being other means of transporting the goods that pass through the Strait are being developed. Eventually making Iran's control of it irrelevant.

Putting aside the dubious veracity of that assertion, it does nothing to solve the problem we have now.

 

[pknopp]

Afganistan -- a stupid war -- had nothing like Iran's ability to damage the world economy. Not even close. And the whole world knew what could happen if they were attacked. Even Dubya was bright enough to avoid attacking them.

It has all been incredibly stupid.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire​

Oil prices, after falling last week, climbed on Monday as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against indications that both sides remain engaged in negotiations aimed at securing a lasting peace agreement.

Stocks were mixed, pulled higher in East Asia by the continued surge in interest in artificial intelligence, and lower in Europe.

The United States said it carried out a series of “self-defense” strikes in Iran over the weekend, the latest in a series of attacks in the past week. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announced that it had struck a U.S. air base in retaliation for a U.S. attack on a communications facility.

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire

Oil prices climbed as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against signs that both sides remain engaged in negotiations.

www.nytimes.com

It makes me think of a couple of adolescent brothers kicking each other in the back seat of a car during a long drive after telling mom and dad they'd stop fighting.

From a domestic political standpoint I can't see how trump can agree to the terms Iran is asking for. Especially after R's spent years hammering away at the Iranian assets returned to them by the US in exchange for forgoing a program to develop a nuclear bomb. Sending much (97%) of their partially enriched uranium out of the country.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create​

Today, international inspectors say, Iran has a total of 11 tons of uranium, at various enrichment levels. With further purification, that is enough to build up to 100 nuclear weapons — more than the estimated size of Israel’s arsenal.

Virtually all of that cache accumulated in the years after Mr. Trump abandoned the Obama-era deal. That is because Tehran lived up to its pledge to ship to Russia 12.5 tons of its overall stockpile, about 97 percent. Iran’s weapon designers were left with too little nuclear fuel to build a single bomb.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create

President Trump withdrew from the Obama-era nuclear accord in 2018, saying it was the worst deal ever. But Iran responded with an enrichment spree that haunts the negotiations to this day.

www.nytimes.com

The US has superior military might. Iran has control of the Strait, and consequently controls a vital lifeline to the world's economy. Concessions must be made by both sides for a negotiated agreement to work yet each keeps sticking a finger in the eye of the other. All the time the world's reserve supply of oil is dwindling. Which is Iran's hole card. How could Don, Pete, Tulsi, Marco, et al been so shortsighted as to get in to this intractable predicament?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'd love to see a virus set loose that only takes out the war mongers.

Um, we're one of the warmongers...

 

[Mac1958]

Funny you should mention that. Chris Wright, Dotard's Sec. of Energy (chosen because he's a climate change denier) said Iran's blockade of the Strait is "a card they can only play once." His theory being other means of transporting the goods that pass through the Strait are being developed. Eventually making Iran's control of it irrelevant.

Putting aside the dubious veracity of that assertion, it does nothing to solve the problem we have now.

I sure hope so. I've heard that one being developed is for China. And given their rapid success with alternative energy & storage, even that may not be a need forever.

Shorter term, though, Iran is no more likely to adhere to agreements than Trump is. At least as long as they have this card.

 

[berg80]

Um, we're one of the warmongers...

My guess is he was referring to members of the US regime who were all in for this war. trump being the primary instigator based on the misguided belief he's be praised as being a conquering hero, not an ignorant dolt.

 

[berg80]

I sure hope so. I've heard that one being developed is for China. And given their rapid success with alternative energy & storage, even that may not be a need forever.

Shorter term, though, Iran is no more likely to adhere to agreements than Trump is. At least as long as they have this card.

My understanding is oil tankers headed to China are getting safe passage thru the Strait. Though these days safe is a relative term.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Well, it's all a nice reminder of why former American Presidents didn't try something this goddamn stupid.

Of course, they were intelligent people with a grasp of world history & geopolitics, and experienced advisors.

The ironic thing here is that Iran now knows it doesn't even NEED nukes to throw the world into a financial tizzy.

Former Presidents all talked a bold game how Iran is a threat and that they should not have a nuclear weapon. A couple of those Presidents even tried to pay off the theocracy running Iran who simply used that money for funding of more proxy wars and terrorist attacks. Now that is beyond goddamn stupid.

 

[j-mac]

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire​

Oil prices, after falling last week, climbed on Monday as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against indications that both sides remain engaged in negotiations aimed at securing a lasting peace agreement.

Stocks were mixed, pulled higher in East Asia by the continued surge in interest in artificial intelligence, and lower in Europe.

The United States said it carried out a series of “self-defense” strikes in Iran over the weekend, the latest in a series of attacks in the past week. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announced that it had struck a U.S. air base in retaliation for a U.S. attack on a communications facility.

Oil Prices Jump as U.S. and Iran Exchange Fire

Oil prices climbed as investors weighed a renewed exchange of military strikes between the United States and Iran against signs that both sides remain engaged in negotiations.

www.nytimes.com

It makes me think of a couple of adolescent brothers kicking each other in the back seat of a car during a long drive after telling mom and dad they'd stop fighting.

From a domestic political standpoint I can't see how trump can agree to the terms Iran is asking for. Especially after R's spent years hammering away at the Iranian assets returned to them by the US in exchange for forgoing a program to develop a nuclear bomb. Sending much (97%) of their partially enriched uranium out of the country.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create​

Today, international inspectors say, Iran has a total of 11 tons of uranium, at various enrichment levels. With further purification, that is enough to build up to 100 nuclear weapons — more than the estimated size of Israel’s arsenal.

Virtually all of that cache accumulated in the years after Mr. Trump abandoned the Obama-era deal. That is because Tehran lived up to its pledge to ship to Russia 12.5 tons of its overall stockpile, about 97 percent. Iran’s weapon designers were left with too little nuclear fuel to build a single bomb.

Trump Seeks to Abolish Iran’s Atomic Stockpile, a Problem He Helped Create

President Trump withdrew from the Obama-era nuclear accord in 2018, saying it was the worst deal ever. But Iran responded with an enrichment spree that haunts the negotiations to this day.

www.nytimes.com

The US has superior military might. Iran has control of the Strait, and consequently controls a vital lifeline to the world's economy. Concessions must be made by both sides for a negotiated agreement to work yet each keeps sticking a finger in the eye of the other. All the time the world's reserve supply of oil is dwindling. Which is Iran's hole card. How could Don, Pete, Tulsi, Marco, et al been so shortsighted as to get in to this intractable predicament?

Iranian propaganda.