There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.

[berg80]

Israeli Officials Said U.S. Was Told about South Pars Attack​

An Israeli strike on Iran’s South Pars gas field was coordinated with the Trump administration in advance, according to three Israeli officials, despite President Trump’s initial assertion in a social media post that the United States “knew nothing about” it.

“The United States knew nothing about this particular attack,” Mr. Trump wrote in the social media post late Wednesday, saying that Israel had “violently lashed out.”

A day later, Mr. Trump appeared to have changed course.

Speaking to reporters Thursday at the White House, Mr. Trump implied that he had spoken about the strike ahead of time with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.

”I told him don’t do that,” Mr. Trump said. He went on to say, “we’re independent. We get along great. It’s coordinated.”

Israel has not commented publicly on the attack, carried out on Wednesday, or on Mr. Trump’s effort later Wednesday to distance the United States from it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/19/world/middleeast/israel-iran-south-pars-gas-field-trump.html

I can see a scenario where trump signed off on the attack, then saw what it did to energy prices, and plead ignorance. Ignorance in all things being a plausible defense for the orange brain stem.

 

[berg80]

Instead of allowing media coverage of these events....they told them to hide the fact it ever happened.

Proof please.

 

[mudwhistle]

Proof please.

"President Obama’s administration maintained strict secrecy over its targeted drone program for years, frequently refusing to publicly confirm details of strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which critics deemed a "secret war"
. While not a direct "shut up" command, the administration asserted that releasing details would harm national security, fighting legal battles to keep the program hidden.
Key details regarding the Obama administration's approach to the drone program include:

• Policy of Secrecy: For much of his presidency, officials would not officially acknowledge CIA-led drone operations, leading to an "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where officials knew of strikes but officially denied them, say this Brookings article and the ACLU website.
• "Not Talking About It": The administration relied heavily on drones while preferring to keep the program out of the press. When questioned, they often offered blanket justifications regarding legal authority and effectiveness rather than specifics.
• Contradictory Transparency: Despite later promises of increased transparency, a 2016 report found "virtually no progress" in detailing the number of strikes or civilian casualties, reports NPR.
• Legal Defense: Obama defended the drone strikes as legal and effective measures against al-Qaeda, arguing they were necessary to prevent terrorism, as noted on this YouTube video and The New York Times.
• Internal Struggles: Obama later reflected that there were times he had to halt the program to ensure proper controls were in place, noting that it was not always managed properly on "day one," says this YouTube video.

The administration only began releasing more information toward the end of his term, partially to create a formal, institutionalized structure, according to the ACLU website. "

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[berg80]

"President Obama’s administration maintained strict secrecy over its targeted drone program for years, frequently refusing to publicly confirm details of strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which critics deemed a "secret war"
. While not a direct "shut up" command, the administration asserted that releasing details would harm national security, fighting legal battles to keep the program hidden.
Key details regarding the Obama administration's approach to the drone program include:

• Policy of Secrecy: For much of his presidency, officials would not officially acknowledge CIA-led drone operations, leading to an "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where officials knew of strikes but officially denied them, say this Brookings article and the ACLU website.
• "Not Talking About It": The administration relied heavily on drones while preferring to keep the program out of the press. When questioned, they often offered blanket justifications regarding legal authority and effectiveness rather than specifics.
• Contradictory Transparency: Despite later promises of increased transparency, a 2016 report found "virtually no progress" in detailing the number of strikes or civilian casualties, reports NPR.
• Legal Defense: Obama defended the drone strikes as legal and effective measures against al-Qaeda, arguing they were necessary to prevent terrorism, as noted on this YouTube video and The New York Times.
• Internal Struggles: Obama later reflected that there were times he had to halt the program to ensure proper controls were in place, noting that it was not always managed properly on "day one," says this YouTube video.

The administration only began releasing more information toward the end of his term, partially to create a formal, institutionalized structure, according to the ACLU website. "

Thanks.

 

[Dragonlady]

Way over your head sweetheart.

Not over my head at all SweetCheeks. But thanks for proving you have nothing, Dickless. Why don't you go outside and wash the car while the grown ups talk about things you don't understand? There's a good boy.

Today, in his Press Conference with the Japanese Prime Minister, in answering a question Trump said that he didn't discuss his attack with your allies in advance of bombing Iran because it needed to be a "Surprise".

He then turned to the Japanese PM and asked her "Why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbour in advance?" Seriously. How do you parody something so stupid?

 

[berg80]

Are you sure Don knows how to move the pieces on a chess board? Even if he does, strategery isn't his strong point as evidenced by the $35 spike in oil.

Bebe is on the tape saying Israel is going to help the US move ships thru the Strait. Awesome. But how?

 

[JoeB131]

They're still stealing from us.....and the Democrats are taking kickbacks from foreign countries and from Somalis they brought here under false pretenses.

Um, not sure what this has to do with anything, so I'll take your concession on the point.

We lost because LBJ was making money for his friends in the military arms industry.

Most Democrats avoided Vietnam as well. The few that did serve lied about their service. Dick Blumenthal and John Kerry for example. None of them took a bullet like Trump did.

Trump wasn't shot by a Vietnamese.

He was shot by a right wing gun nut who couldn't get laid.