There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.

Israeli Officials Said U.S. Was Told about South Pars Attack​

An Israeli strike on Iran’s South Pars gas field was coordinated with the Trump administration in advance, according to three Israeli officials, despite President Trump’s initial assertion in a social media post that the United States “knew nothing about” it.

“The United States knew nothing about this particular attack,” Mr. Trump wrote in the social media post late Wednesday, saying that Israel had “violently lashed out.”

A day later, Mr. Trump appeared to have changed course.

Speaking to reporters Thursday at the White House, Mr. Trump implied that he had spoken about the strike ahead of time with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.

”I told him don’t do that,” Mr. Trump said. He went on to say, “we’re independent. We get along great. It’s coordinated.”

Israel has not commented publicly on the attack, carried out on Wednesday, or on Mr. Trump’s effort later Wednesday to distance the United States from it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/19/world/middleeast/israel-iran-south-pars-gas-field-trump.html

I can see a scenario where trump signed off on the attack, then saw what it did to energy prices, and plead ignorance. Ignorance in all things being a plausible defense for the orange brain stem.
 
Proof please.
"President Obama’s administration maintained strict secrecy over its targeted drone program for years, frequently refusing to publicly confirm details of strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which critics deemed a "secret war"
. While not a direct "shut up" command, the administration asserted that releasing details would harm national security, fighting legal battles to keep the program hidden.
Key details regarding the Obama administration's approach to the drone program include:

  • Policy of Secrecy: For much of his presidency, officials would not officially acknowledge CIA-led drone operations, leading to an "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where officials knew of strikes but officially denied them, say this Brookings article and the ACLU website.
  • "Not Talking About It": The administration relied heavily on drones while preferring to keep the program out of the press. When questioned, they often offered blanket justifications regarding legal authority and effectiveness rather than specifics.
  • Contradictory Transparency: Despite later promises of increased transparency, a 2016 report found "virtually no progress" in detailing the number of strikes or civilian casualties, reports NPR.
  • Legal Defense: Obama defended the drone strikes as legal and effective measures against al-Qaeda, arguing they were necessary to prevent terrorism, as noted on this YouTube video and The New York Times.
  • Internal Struggles: Obama later reflected that there were times he had to halt the program to ensure proper controls were in place, noting that it was not always managed properly on "day one," says this YouTube video.
The administration only began releasing more information toward the end of his term, partially to create a formal, institutionalized structure, according to the ACLU website. "
 
"President Obama’s administration maintained strict secrecy over its targeted drone program for years, frequently refusing to publicly confirm details of strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which critics deemed a "secret war"
. While not a direct "shut up" command, the administration asserted that releasing details would harm national security, fighting legal battles to keep the program hidden.
Key details regarding the Obama administration's approach to the drone program include:

  • Policy of Secrecy: For much of his presidency, officials would not officially acknowledge CIA-led drone operations, leading to an "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where officials knew of strikes but officially denied them, say this Brookings article and the ACLU website.
  • "Not Talking About It": The administration relied heavily on drones while preferring to keep the program out of the press. When questioned, they often offered blanket justifications regarding legal authority and effectiveness rather than specifics.
  • Contradictory Transparency: Despite later promises of increased transparency, a 2016 report found "virtually no progress" in detailing the number of strikes or civilian casualties, reports NPR.
  • Legal Defense: Obama defended the drone strikes as legal and effective measures against al-Qaeda, arguing they were necessary to prevent terrorism, as noted on this YouTube video and The New York Times.
  • Internal Struggles: Obama later reflected that there were times he had to halt the program to ensure proper controls were in place, noting that it was not always managed properly on "day one," says this YouTube video.
The administration only began releasing more information toward the end of his term, partially to create a formal, institutionalized structure, according to the ACLU website. "
Thanks.
 
Way over your head sweetheart.

Not over my head at all SweetCheeks. But thanks for proving you have nothing, Dickless. Why don't you go outside and wash the car while the grown ups talk about things you don't understand? There's a good boy.

Today, in his Press Conference with the Japanese Prime Minister, in answering a question Trump said that he didn't discuss his attack with your allies in advance of bombing Iran because it needed to be a "Surprise".

He then turned to the Japanese PM and asked her "Why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbour in advance?" Seriously. How do you parody something so stupid?
 

Are you sure Don knows how to move the pieces on a chess board? Even if he does, strategery isn't his strong point as evidenced by the $35 spike in oil.

Bebe is on the tape saying Israel is going to help the US move ships thru the Strait. Awesome. But how?
 
They're still stealing from us.....and the Democrats are taking kickbacks from foreign countries and from Somalis they brought here under false pretenses.

Um, not sure what this has to do with anything, so I'll take your concession on the point.
We lost because LBJ was making money for his friends in the military arms industry.

Most Democrats avoided Vietnam as well. The few that did serve lied about their service. Dick Blumenthal and John Kerry for example. None of them took a bullet like Trump did.
Trump wasn't shot by a Vietnamese.

He was shot by a right wing gun nut who couldn't get laid.
 
"President Obama’s administration maintained strict secrecy over its targeted drone program for years, frequently refusing to publicly confirm details of strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which critics deemed a "secret war"
. While not a direct "shut up" command, the administration asserted that releasing details would harm national security, fighting legal battles to keep the program hidden.
Key details regarding the Obama administration's approach to the drone program include:

  • Policy of Secrecy: For much of his presidency, officials would not officially acknowledge CIA-led drone operations, leading to an "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where officials knew of strikes but officially denied them, say this Brookings article and the ACLU website.
  • "Not Talking About It": The administration relied heavily on drones while preferring to keep the program out of the press. When questioned, they often offered blanket justifications regarding legal authority and effectiveness rather than specifics.
  • Contradictory Transparency: Despite later promises of increased transparency, a 2016 report found "virtually no progress" in detailing the number of strikes or civilian casualties, reports NPR.
  • Legal Defense: Obama defended the drone strikes as legal and effective measures against al-Qaeda, arguing they were necessary to prevent terrorism, as noted on this YouTube video and The New York Times.
  • Internal Struggles: Obama later reflected that there were times he had to halt the program to ensure proper controls were in place, noting that it was not always managed properly on "day one," says this YouTube video.
The administration only began releasing more information toward the end of his term, partially to create a formal, institutionalized structure, according to the ACLU website. "
Didn't break the law...

The Patriot Act saw fit to that...

By the way, Trump got rid of all drone reporting when he came in... So this is you again trying to hold Obama to a different standard to Trump...
 
Didn't break the law...

The Patriot Act saw fit to that...

By the way, Trump got rid of all drone reporting when he came in... So this is you again trying to hold Obama to a different standard to Trump...
You have to use the Patriot Act and Homeland Security if enforced. The rioters in Minneapolis as an example warranted that. Politics is so corrupted now that illegals are uplifted higher than citizens and ICE is a meanie while the rest of the alphabets are cool to ream the citizens asses and you will do it when empowered again. Remove the Patriot Act and neuter Homeland Security when you come to power again. Not enforcing the laws means nothing when enforcing them for political purposes comes to reality.
 
Did we take the island yet ?

I don't know I've been outside and perfecting my Chinese American cooking I got that fried rice down I've made it about seven times in the last 2 weeks
Speaking of
Have they jumped in yet since we completely f***** a nice hunk of their oil supply..

My Pork Ginger and onions really good
 
All presidents have used this authorization for the drone war.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) IN GENERAL.—That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

 
UN Members states are simply not compelled to act on UNSC resolutions. Interesting you don't know that.

70 Democrats joined Republicans in the 295-123 vote rejecting the AUMF in Libya. That didn't stop Obama and a similar vote today likely wouldn't stop "The Don"!
The UN is useless.
 
The UN is useless.
Unless like GWHB and you want to lead a coalition of nations to contain an aggressor nation!

Though it was nice of the UN to save his sons ass 10 years later when he tried to occupy Iraq.
 

Just Get Out! Now!​

As is becoming clearer from President Trump’s own statements and those of his staff, along with press reporting, the US has launched a major war without the input of the experts we pay to advise the President on such matters. The State Department, Pentagon, National Security Council Staff, Defense Intelligence Agency, and NSA were simply bypassed because, as White House Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said, President Trump “had a feeling” Iran would attack.

The President’s real estate developer son-in-law and friend reinforced that “feeling” when they returned from the second round of talks with the Iranian foreign minister and his team. However, as the news outlet Responsible Statecraft (RS) reported over the weekend, both son-in-law Jared Kushner and friend Steve Witkoff appear to have mis-represented those talks in a way that helped push President Trump toward war. No State Department officials were on hand to ensure the reporting was accurate.

Also, arms control experts at home, according to the RS report, believe that “the duo appeared to have fatally misunderstood a series of basic technical and historical matters” regarding Iran’s nuclear program leading to inaccurate information conveyed to the President.


Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say
Confusion on whether Iran truly needed only “two weeks to four weeks” to make a nuclear weapon, as President Donald Trump suggested on Monday, hangs over the ongoing U.S. and Israeli war on the Persian Gulf nation. Nuclear experts call this claim unlikely—but the confusion may stem from some basics of atomic chemistry.

“There was no evidence that Iran was close to a nuclear weapon,” says Jeffrey Lewis of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. His comment echoed those of other experts after the war’s start, as well as statements from International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi at that time and in 2025 and last year’s “threat assessment” report by U.S. intelligence agencies.

According to an IAEA estimate, as of June 2025, Iran possessed 441 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, where the percentage refers to the share of the isotope uranium 235 (U 235) found in the material. That would be enough for 10 nuclear weapons if the material could be enriched further to full 90 percent weapons-grade concentrations, according to the IAEA. That further enrichment would take a matter of weeks in a fully functioning Iranian nuclear complex, perhaps explaining the time line within Trump’s declaration.

That step alone doesn’t equal a bomb, however. And Iran’s main enrichment capabilities were “completely and totally obliterated,” according to Trump himself in June, after the U.S. bombed three underground Iranian facilities. The administration’s special envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff nonetheless claimed on March 3, after the start of the current war, that Iran had the capability to make 11 nuclear bombs. Trump administration officials reportedly failed to include nuclear technical experts in their negotiation teams with Iran prior to the war, adding to the uncertainty. If Iran really had rebuilt these facilities, that might have led—over months and not weeks—to the nation resuming its uranium enrichment, Lewis says. “But this is all ‘if,’ ‘maybe’ and ‘later,’” he adds.


Never send a boy to do a man's job. In the sense of engaging in complex negotiations about Iran's uranium enrichment program, Steve and Jared were infants.

Nuclear experts undercut White House claims about Iran reactor at heart of case for war​

The Trump administration sent negotiators without nuclear expertise to lead talks on Iran’s enrichment program. Now, its public case for war centers on a facility that experts say cannot do what officials claim.

If Steve Witkoff is one of Don's good golfing buddies and Jared is a swell husband to Ivanka that's all fine and dandy. But friendship and familial relations aren't the necessary qualifications needed to negotiate on important, technical matters with war in the balance. The question I would want answered if I were the parents of one of the dead US soldiers is why were Witkoff and Kushner even in the room while negotiations were being held? Negotiations that nonetheless produced a positive result.

Iran agreed to ‘zero stockpiling’ of nuclear material in US talks: Omani foreign minister

Oman’s foreign minister said Friday that Iran is offering to give up stockpiling enriched uranium as part of a deal with the U.S. related to its nuclear program.

Foreign Minister Badr al-Busaidi is serving as the mediator between U.S. and Iranian officials in Geneva.

“Now we are talking about zero stockpiling and that is very, very important because if you cannot stockpile material that is enriched, then there is no way you can actually create a bomb,” al-Busaidi told Margaret Brennan of CBS’s “Face the Nation.”


But that offer wasn't good enough for Bebe. I would argue he preferred war to a negotiated agreement on the enrichment program. So he convinced trump to come along for the ride.
America's culture is generally based on all brawn and no brains.

Deja vu, Bush and Blair with Iraq's WMD.
 
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